revolution saint

Can someone summarise this thread for me?

Leaving aside the moral side of this for a second, it would be completely impossible to achieve. Large government projects invariably fail, run over budget and over time. We'd probably get some private sector company to come in, throw money at them, sign up to giving them more money when the project screws up and then a bit more money when we inevitably pull out because it's unworkable. The country doesn't really have any money and if it did surely it should spend it on a better joined up patient administration system for the NHS or better communication between police authorities? A DNA database would have lots of benefits but they're far outweighed by the potential harm. Also, and I'm no scientist, how accurate is DNA? Is it open to interpretation? I honestly don't know but there have been a lot of miscarriages of justice based on forensic evidence and a reliance on experts that would make me think it might be wrong to have a reliance on any system.

Referring to your organisation as 'The business' when working in the public sector. It's not a business, it's not run for profit and it's not there to extract the most money it can from it's "customers". It's a service. However, anyone who wants to do well in the public sector should always use 'The business' in as many conversations as possible - it virtually guarantees success.

I emailed Bluestar saying it was asking a lot to expect people to make the 9 from West Quay at 5.10. I got the usual crap about how it was expensive to run boxing day buses etc etc. I replied back that maybe their advertising guff should say instead "Saints are playing at home on boxing day, take advantage of the bus and watch the 1st half and then leg it to make sure you're not stranded". The other thing to remember here is that the last bus back is guaranteed to be packed. Anyone relying on that bus can't count on getting on even if they make it on time.

With season ticket prices this cheap it really makes sense. I'll confess I left it a while because I wanted to see how the season panned out but frankly we're scoring goals, winning games and the entertainment is good. I can't see any reason not to now if you would probably go to most games anyway.

An account of last season whilst grim reading would be interesting. You'd have to get Crouch, Wilde, Lowe, Poortvleit and Wotte on board which is doubtful but you could definitely see something of "The damned united" in a book like that. Can't see the current regime commenting on anything since they've been in charge and that would probably be right and premature.

This must be the only thread i agree with delldays. There are a lot of things that irritate me at matches - armchair commentators who think they know everything being the worst of them. However, they pay their money and if that's what they like then fine. Personally I like a few beers before during and after the game - when i chose my season ticket (yep, got one now) I made sure it was close to an aisle so I don't annoy anyone. The only thing I would say in defence of those that like a beer at half time is they are *probably* more likely to generate the atmosphere that makes football enjoyable. The tartan rug and flask brigade generate muttered criticisms and tutting and yes that maybe a generalisation too far.

Well it doesn't make BTF's point irrelevant because exactly the same thing can happen in the UK government as has happened in this case. However, I'd agree with you that it's wrong. The whole point of government is that they are elected and accountable. I don't want anyone in the cabinet who isn't an elected MP and the same would go for the EU - anyone who isn't can be an advisor.

But until you got everyone to participate in that not particularly accurate questionnaire then you'd never know would you? I'd say this forum is as representative of saints fans or the general public as any other forum. I see no one has come up with an idea why the monarchy is a good thing except for the fact that lots of people may or may not think it is.

But the only thing that unites them is a liking for Saints? I'd agree with you if this was a loony lefty forum (or even a guardian one) but it isn't so unless Saints have suddenly become the spiritual home of tree huggers then i'd say it should contain a fairly broad demographic (in terms of political opinion).

Shame I missed that. I'm fairly sure all the people on there would have been Saints fans (and by definition football fans) so I'm not sure what your point is?

Are the majority of TSW members eligible for free school meals then? If they are then you're right but if not then you didn't read the article properly and have put yourself in the "thickie" group as you call it.

Good call and while we're at it why not a whale as well? We need to save them too....

Proof that the right wing football demographic has changed? Who'd have thought football fans would attract the liberal tree hugging types?

We've had this argument countless times but....... it's impossible to say if the monarchy pulls in more than it costs (my argument is it's irrelevant) heriditary rule is an outdated antiquidated idea but a lot of people will argue that those powers they inherit they never use (in which case why have them and why are they are check on parliament?) people will then say rather the Queen (or King) than a president. That's only one model we could follow and doesn't mean we can't have a proper argument on whether it's right that in this age of democracy we should allow people to inherit rights rather than earn them. You can tell what side of the debate I'm on.

Cheers, you have a PM Steve.

NO EXCUSES FFS! ha ha thanks though.

I need to retrieve some data from a three linked tables that includes null values but also do some counting stuff. It's an oracle database. It should be nice and easy for some of you.

As someone else posted earlier - there are no rules for this. I'll contradict myself now by saying IMO to be a legend then you have to be completely identified with Southampton and only Southampton. When you think of Channon you don't think Pompey, Man City, Norwich, Newcastle (I think) - you think Saints. For whatever reason be it skill, goals, dedication, loyalty, longevity the fans need to identify that player as "one of us". Keegan and Shearer were great players but they'll never be Southampton legends. There is another rung slightly slower on the ladder - that of cult hero. It would be difficult to suggest Benali is a legend but I'm sure he'd be happy with cult hero.

You're right in that Pacquiao wasn't on the radar but Cotto certainly was. Two maybe three years ago that was the fight we all wanted and between them PBF and Cotto had all but destroyed any other challengers in the welterweight division. PBF wanted none of it and I'm not convinced he wants to fight someone who has a genuine chance of beating him.

Well seeing as we already have a good squad for this division then I'd say the most obvious deficiencies we currently have is natural wide players. Paine, MLT, Armstrong could all do a job for us. Case and Hammond would be a fantastic midfield though.

I can't complain about the result - Pacman was just too good. Any doubts about his ability at welterweight are definitely gone now and that performance was much more impressive than PBF's against Marquez. PBF V Pacman has to be the fight that everyone wants to see now so expect Mayweather to retire again until somebody easier comes along......I expect Manny to move up to heavyweight and take on Haye instead. The little fella would probably win that as well.

Probably a 1st round KO!

It's taking ages isn't it?

I really want Cotto to win this one but I just can't pick the outcome. On the one hand I think Pacman has benefited from fighting an aging weight drained DLH and a shot fighter in Hatton and he just won't cope with the first natural welter weight he's come up against. But then I look at Cotto and think whether he's really recovered from the Margarito fight? Cotto in his prime takes Manny and for that reason, sod it I'm going for Cotto. I'm undecided about whether to stay up for this or wait for the 9am replay. Anyone know who's on the undercard? And will Jim "consistently wrong" Watt be commentating?