Hamilton Saint

This is how they scared me when I was growing up as a Catholic kid: "Don't ever do that, God is watching everything you do."

Delgado. Huge expectations; but a complete and utter flop.

In how many threads are you going to write pinocchio instead of Pochetinno?

Simultaneously?

To be fair, though, that is an inaccurate interpretation. The award is based on a combined evaluation of the behaviour of players, team officials and fans. For players: •red and yellow cards •positive play (e.g. showing attacking intent, speeding up the game, no time-wasting) •respect towards opponents •respect towards the referee Team Officials: •respect towards opponents •respect towards the referee Fans: - positive verbal support - recognition of outstanding play by the opposition - respect for match officials - respect for opposing fans What seems to be at the crux of many fans' opinion on this is what I would describe as a conflict between individual behaviour and a kind of mob-mentality tribalism. Many supporters revel in a permanent state of hostility and agression against the opposition (and even towards elements of their own support base). And this hostility can reveal itself in very ugly behaviour. A significant portion of football fans think this kind of behaviour is an essential part of football culture (regardless of the fact that they will, on occasion, admit a grudging respect for certain clubs, or certain club's supporters). And they reinforce that view by ridiculing elements of the fan-base, with epithets like "prawn-sandwich brigade", "middle-class fans", and "happy-clappers". But it is possible to be a loyal and passionate fan without endorsing a never-ending sense of hatred and pent-up violence against the opposition. And this is where the individual conscience is at odds with the mob-mentality. Some things that football crowds do I disagree with; and I would never engage in them - I don't do things just to go along with the crowd. A mob can be a very ugly thing.

Love it! How to turn faux-sincere sarcasm on its head!

Nice piece of derisive sarcasm. Doesn't persuade me, though.

That's how you might "translate" it. Not me.

Yeah, right. What a sh*t thing to say. How do you reckon that being sportsmanlike is equivalent to being boring? Your warped values, I think.

How reliable would you consider the data collected from random responses which have been solicited on the internet?

Polluted atmosphere, you mean. Not a good idea.

Didn't realise he had five goals this season. Though he had only a couple. That modifies my opinion!

Wasn't that the second goal? And I read in a couple of places on this thread that the four goals at Old Trafford were all headers. Didn't he score the fourth with his feet (or one of them, at least!)

1788 pages and over 89,000 posts in one thread? Has anyone submitted this fact to the Guinness Book of World Records?

He doesn't score enough. Reminds me of Anders, in that regard (but I think Morgan is better).

We have a long way to go, yet. After we beat Liverpool, Chelsea and Reading, people got carried away (not surprisingly). But we need to be a lot more consistent - especially when we're under pressure. The way we petered out at the end of the season (the last six games, I mean) was very disappointing - and very revealing. We need to improve the squad (three or four key positions), and the team needs to improve as a unit. It needs to learn how to hold a lead, how to dispatch an inferior team, and how to be more ruthless. Too many draws last season that should have been wins.

And, ironically, as Ron Davies points out in the interview with him linked to in post #187, he scored all of those four goals against Villa with his feet!

Thanks for this! Great to watch. What a guy!

I'm very happy [] to see Canada in that list at #2.

What?! You mean that "Old Fogey" values, like reasoned debate and respect for others' opinions, have to be segregated into some quaint, "out-of-touch" ghetto? I have a better idea - let's restrict all the running-off-at-the-mouth trolls, wums, and rude ars*holes to the Muppet Show, where they obviously belong. If they can't follow the forum's basic rules of on-line etiquette, stick them in a sub-forum for sub-humans. Then we can open up the main board and the Lounge to intelligent, respectful conversation. Problem solved.

I've just been looking at my collection of Saints match programmes from the 60s. Of the nine programmes I have from the 1967-68 season, six of them feature a photo of Ron Davies on the cover scoring a goal with a header. He scored 28 goals in Division One that season, joint top-scorer with George Best.

Well ... there is an aura on here that this is a private club for a clique of about 20 people who dominate most of the threads. They just go on and on and on and on, in a kind of closed conversation, and just don't know when to shut up. A thread gets introduced and then is hijacked by the same small group who want to dominate the proceedings. Shut up already! Make your point and then let other people in on the conversation.

Bob Marley and the Wailers: e.g., Waiting In Vain Ian Dury and the Blockheads: Sex and Drugs and Rock & Roll and Wake Up and Make Love to Me Marvin Gaye: Let's Get It On and I Heard it Through the Grapevine The Rolling Stones: Miss You and Honky Tonk Women Talking Heads: Crosseyed and Painless and Once in a Lifetime James Brown: so many to choose from! Sam and Dave: lots to choose from, too! UB40: Please Don't Make Me Cry, 1 in 10, Many Rivers to Cross

That was Tijuana Tim.

In case you missed this, I want to draw attention to something lifeintheslowlane posted above (post #53). His second video clip "Big Match Interview" features Jimmy Hill interviewing Ron Davies about the Game in 1969 (August 16th.) when he scored 4 -or was it 3? [see the clip] - against Manchester United.