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John - all I was saying was that a select few fans do not (and cannot) speak for all fans. And whether you like it or not, that select group of fans can become star struck (look at the experiences of the unfortunate Keith Legg on Saints Forever) or be easily coerced into agreeing/talking about things that actually could be detrimental to the vast majority of fans. By all accounts, the old Supporter group evenings worked reasonably well and, though far from ideal, were probably a happy medium. Oh, and John, if your response to me was typical of the way you (as someone associated with Saints Trust) engaged with the football club, it is no wonder they did not take things seriously/want to engage.

John - I would say the fact he would not sidle up and have cosy chats with Supporter groups is a good thing. As the Times article at the weekend said, fans are very rarely right.... The club needs to be run as a professional business and not be here at the beck and call of supporter groups. Look where that got us before........ Good grief, you can't many people to agree things on here......and this is a tiny, tiny handful of Saints supporters.

Top bloke.....

Chez - I believe Adam was detected as having an irregular heartbeat back in 2004 and required an operation to rectify this and so obviously could not train/play for a number of months. Could be wrong but pretty sure this was the case. In case folks have forgotten, up until he got injured last season he was a joy to watch early on in the campaign with his quick feet and obvious skill. Being young, obviously his form would dip (as it did) but unfortunately last year we did not have the luxury of giving Adam a breather. I think Adam has the potential to be something VERY special.

I've just spoken with my brother who works out in the Middle East. there may (although not certain) be some truth in what FF is saying. Apparently al Fahim (or whatever he's called) is a 'showboater' who has very little wealth himself. He made money only because he was mates with a prince and the prince put him in charge of the property business. It seems they have since fallen out and the prince has sacked him and pushed him away from Man City because he was shooting his mouth off. The way business seems to work out there, if the Prince in Abu Dhabi has 'blackballed' him, the chances of al Fahim raising funds from anyone else in Abu Dhabi is likely to be quite remote.

Give the lad a break for crying out loud. he has the potential to be a real star and is still exceedingly young and starting to make his way in the game. For all those who will say 'oh, he won't improve at his age' remember he lost a whole year with his heart trouble. The lad will be sheer class (if he works hard) and I hope this will be at Saints. I'd have Lallana over deadbeats like Stern John or Saganowski any day of the week. yet again, posters on this forum seem to be a better judge of players than Premier League scouts and clubs.

I can't understand why anyone would want Keegan if Liebherr says we will build steadily and sensibly. Keegan would want obscene amounts of money to spend and would not be here for the long term: when the going gets tough he runs for the hills.

If AO did indeed bring Liebherr to Saints then, quite frankly, he deserves a role. Being nice does not guarantee succes in business.......Branson, despite his public persona, is a really nasty piece of work. At least Ao won't be pandering to the fans...which can only be a good thing.

So long as the prices are more sensible this year than the last few then 1 for me and 1 for my daughter........

Just been confirmed Andy Oldknow will be COO

We deserved the 10 point penalty: morally if nothing else....why should we have been treated any differently from other sides that have gone into Administration? The club was alsonot done any favours with interviews given after we went into Administration.

Anyone interested in a ticket for the Saturday of the first Ashes Test at cardiff? My wife won 2 Grandstand tickets but the person I was going with has let me down....so if anyone fancies going PM me. Not looking for any cash for the ticket....free to a good home. Only catch is, whoever goes will be sat next to me!

Papa wrote: Come on, name names please! I would imagine FF is referring to the rumour that Andy oldknow might be on his way back.

Despite concerns over MLT's alignment with the Pinnacle Group (for all the right reasons) the guy is an absolute legend. His interview on SSN just now but was superb.....Matt was humble, just thankful the club had been saved and offered to do anything if asked. Not just a playing legend but an absolute fan as well. Hopefully, our new owners will offer Matt some role at the club but not necessarily anything on the financial side!

According to SSN, Mr Liebherr is not going to throw money at the club but build sensibly and similar to QPR. Right way to go IMO. Also, I'm delighted for Wotte that after his dignity and professionalism he looks likely to get a chance to move us forward. Just hope everyone will get behoind the new owners, manager and players.

|Just confirmed on SSN!

Oh dear.......... This post had nothing to do with Lowe et al. I'm glad Lowe has gone: I'm glad they're all gone and the club can have a fresh start. The reason Lowe was not mentioned is that Crouch and MLT helped to perpetuate the myth that was Pinnacle and could have so easily killed the club completely. If FF questioned Pinnacle and their backing, that's good enough for me: whilst not agreeing with all of FF's comments I respect the guy and it's possibel to have debate with him.

Hopefully not counting too many chickens but........ Winners Saints fans - we all have a club to support (that looked dicey last week!), with, hopefully, a completely fresh start with none of the old faces Markus Liebherr - he will have an army of Saints supporters who will be so grateful to him for saving our club *****il the first rocky patch!) and has, potentially, a great investment Mark Wotte - whatever happens, the guy has shown great commitment and dignity in a very difficult time Losers All the old board - lost loads of money and between them all managed to massively divide the fanbase. Judgement of Crouch et al was also shown to be highly dubious (e.g. Wilde support then Pinnacle) Barclays - their stupidity in ensuring administration means that they will, hopefully, lose a lot of money Le Tiss - will always be a legend, no matter what, but his poor judgement in fronting Pinnacle without necessraily carrying out due diligence highlighted, once again, why having a fan in charge is not necessarily a good thing Tonight, am just breathing a huge sigh of relief we have a club left to support!

Just because you want, doesn't mean you get! The whole thing will be a complex deal......and obviously not straightforward what with all the plc stuff to untangle, etc. Face it, before the Internet a group of fans would not be waiting with baited breath for what Fry had for lunch, etc. Darlington and Stockport (who went into Admin at about the same time and are at about the same stage as us. More pertinent question is how Fry got duped by Pinnacle

What a star that lad is. His interview was excellent and the constant use of 'we' shows he will never lose his affinity for Saints. Came across as a level headed guy who's sad to leave but why would he turn down a Prem club to possibly play in League 1? I wish him every success and cannot understand the abuse he has received on here....obviously many on here are a better judge of a player than a Prem League team/scouts!

Wotte has shown great dignity and should be applauded for his loyalty...especially when you had Pinnacle/MLT talking about how he would be replaced (mega unprofessional and counter productive). Saint Robbie - thank you. You continue to make me laugh out loud in these difficult times.

Not ITK in any way shape or form. But from a feeling of despair a few days ago, for some inexplicable reason, I now feel we might still have a club next season. Wotte's comments about backroom appointments in due course and the like don't have the sound of someone who thinks we are going to the wall in a couple of days. Or hopefully not. I just really hope that, if we still have a club, everyone rallies around (whomever is in charge) and supports the team (and club) through what will, undoubtedly, be a really tough, tough season. If we have good news then I hope whoever takes over does not play the populist card (as chancers like Wilde and Lynam have) and just concentrates on rebuilding our once great club. Preferably we'll have people in the boardroom who make decisions based on realities and not what might make them, and fans, feel good. Also think MLT should not be made chairman (figurehead role maybe)....his judgement in Lynamgate has been shown to be seriously flawed (if for all the right reasons).

who were ecstatic when we went into Administration? Are you still as ecstatic now?

This -10 points debacle that is currently being played out....... Do you not think that having complete uncertainty with regards to players, coaches, etc is likely to result in more than the -10 points you are currently fighting over? Right now, pre-season should be starting, we should have a team in place (manager, coach, etc) but we don't. We have very dignified manager (Wotte) who knows he probably won't have ajob yet is still at the helm coaches like Svensson and players like Davis who are all turning up despite being able to get other jobs if they so desired. This club, and all it's shenanigans, make me despair!

Bunch of ungrateful t***s! How many of you cyberwarriors has done anything to try and secure the future of our club? People should be grateful that there are others who are prepared to step in and try to keep the club going IF Pinnacle goes horribly wrong! Question for you moaners and groaners........would you rather there was no Plan B, meaning there would be no club IF Pinnacle falls through?