angelman

Nice to see you back and that your little fishing trip seems to have caught an awful lot of people. Bit disingenuous to call yourself a neutral isn't it? But never mind, I think we get what you mean. I think you are doing a disservice to the members of this forum. They are not bitter nor deluded. We all know that the wages on offer are bigger, and the chances of playing at a higher level are better. We all know where Southampton are in the pecking order - it doesn't mean we have to like it, and I am surprised that you (and possibly your mate) don't realise this and that what people sometimes post isn't really how they feel. Yes of course we see it from a footballer's side of things. But really, do footballers see it from a fan's point of view. Do they really actually ever consider the fans, or anyone else apart from themselves? It seems that as a breed, footballers are overly nummamorous and keep themselves largely detached from the supporters. In years gone by, before all the money came into the game, things were slightly different. We understand. We also realise that the grass isn't always greener and that at a club like Liverpool, they will get chewed up and spat out pretty quickly if they don't make the grade. Lambert is finding that out now. Lovren might soon if he doesn't move up a gear. Lallana, while is the better of that trio, might also suffer the same as with this new Brazilian signing, competition for places might mean his opportunities are limited. What happens then? I am sure that we can see his two options: one to stay and try and force his way in or wait for injuries all the time picking up a big pay cheque, or two, move on to another club where he can get regular starts with possibly a lower wage. Maybe Everton? Yes, so was I, but I was also taught how to do it properly. But better oneself is rather dependent on what you use as a yardstick. I certainly turned down much much higher paid jobs to set up my own company. The freedom of being able to do what I want, when I want is more important to me than the pure financial reward. It is a long term thing as well. Long term happiness is more important than short term happiness that you might feel due to increased financial reward which is often followed by unhappiness. But bettering yourself is not the same as making more money and it shows what is wrong with the game. It is not unique to the players leaving us, or even those joining us, it is football wide. However I think this shows how detached you really are, possibly due to your association with a football player but of course that is being a bit presumptuous. I really do not think that anyone took exception to your mate moving to Liverpool, just the way it was carried out. Obviously with your blinkered view of things, you see nothing wrong with what happened, but you seem to find yourself in a minority. For me, the worst thing he did was http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/young-fan-gets-england-midfielder-7212288 . As captain of the club it showed a fair bit of disrespect when the deal hadn't been completed. Does it all matter? Of course not. I look at things pragmatically and go to the football for a bit of entertainment. If it wasn't there, it wouldn't really impact on my life too much as I'd find something rather more worthy to do. Footballers are entertainers and, at risk of being accused of being bitter, have somewhat self-aggrandised themselves to say the very least. As for the grieving, at the risk of being pompous, I would take one of Tennyson's lines, albeit somewhat out of context - For men may come and men may go, But I go on for ever.

I would think it the case that he was wanting a top 4 move, but seemingly he didn't fit their plans. Liverpool or Spurs was the next level down.

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This. I can't recall when we last had a manager I would put as much faith in as RK. Sure they all know more about football than me, but RK seems to be head and shoulders above the rest. Yes I know it is also the scouting network and back room that helps, but it all seems to be working well at the moment.

In perspective (maybe) Cech - 1 year left - aged 33 with prob 6-7 years left in him at the top level - one of the best goalies around - £11m Clyne - 1 year left - aged 24 with prob 8-9 years left in him at the top level - a very good defender, but by no means one of the best - £12.5m I am sure neither Saints nor Liverpool will disclose either the actual amount, nor the conditions and I for one am not going to get hung up on what the papers say about it. Maybe we have included a huge sell on clause in lieu of £2.5m - who knows?

Brett, take away the last few games, and I would disagree with you. However, of him or MS, I think he is more easily replaced.

Confess that I fell asleep during most of the game - only saw their 3rd and switched off after that. What have we learned from this? Ings and Kane might be over rated? Southgate can't motivate the players? JWP isn't good enough to feature in an average side? We don't know how to play tournament football? Anything else? With Ings and Kane, it will be interesting to see how they do this season. Kane had a storming last season, while Ings was somewhat mixed - good first half, average second. I know people can say that they are young, but take a world class player like Messi - he was in the Argentinian side when he was 18, and had got 10 goals for the senior side by the time he was 21.

£2m through additional achievements is presumably qualifying for Champions League, winning the league or some such other pipe dream that Liverpool have.

Problem with having a 24 hour sports news service is finding the content to fill it.

As they are playing hardball with Sterling and Man C, then they surely can expect the same.

Put it this way, if Wenger is prepared to pay up to £16m on a risky transfer (sort of his words) for Chambers, then £25m for Morgan makes much better sense as there is much much less of a risk.

Fair enough. Seems that staying is worth what, £8m, so we might "lose" out on something like £6m or £7m

Many players seem to like to be able to play near where they grew up. He was born in Stockwell, so the closest (Prem League) is Chelsea, then Palace (but we can discount them I would presume). Others then are WHU, THFC and Arsenal.

Can't we just sell him rather than all these loans?

If Atletico have our bid, then the next bid will have to be £2m or so more than ours, what with the compensation they would have to pay us if he went elsewhere.

I suspect that being allowed out on loan from Fulham that he won't play any part there, and if he does well with us, that he might accept being competition with Forster when he comes back. Might be a very good for the club to have two goalies like that. Of course he needs to refind his touch (or is it just confidence?) but on paper it looks good, IF.......

Ask someone from Liverpool and he'll say Liverpool Ask someone from north Londoner and he'll say Spurs Ask someone from Southampton and he'll say Saints Ask someone from Swansea and he'll say Swansea That's of course a generalisation, but should be fairly accurate.

Strange career. 191 apps for Ajax, 48 for Roma - and in that time 54 apps for Holland - and then 19 @ Fulham and 1@ Monaco. Only 32 years old.

Weren't Chelsea really gunning for him?

Ok so we have Forster - injured for who know how long Davis - Ok at best, but getting old Gazza - who knows??? and now Stkelenburg. What I find most of interest is what is going to happen to Gazza. Is he ever going to play a part in the 1st XI?

So could I. A slight improvement (based on last year) in the Premier League A slight improvement in European football, which will be huge if we lose our double header this season, and LFC/THFC are more likely to qualify for EL than we are. A big improvement in wages. So, on footballing reasons alone it is quite close this season, but financially it is chalk and cheese.

Osvaldo has a rather high opinion of his own abilities, decided Saints was too small time for him, so God knows what he would think of QPR. Personally, time to bite the bullet and flog them off or give them away. Should have thought about sacking Osvaldo when he attacked another employee. Certainly we had grounds to, and in many businesses he would have. Not sure if he could then have been sued to recover some of the transfer fee. But whatever, I am sure that the club knows what it is doing financially now that the somewhat profligate Italian banker has moved on.

and Charlie Austin http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/586033/Southampton-10m-Bid-Chelsea-Liverpool-Target-QPR-Striker-Charlie-Austin

Like this: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?52964-Lambert-Hints-To-Going-On-Loan&p=2108864#post2108864

If Arsenal sign Cech, then Ospina is supposedly going to be the one getting the boot. Maybe a 1 year deal/loan??