Whitey Grandad

He falls over a lot. He's not good to us lying on the ground. There's an old football saying, "Stay on your feet"

Very sad indeed. Some things are far more important than football.

Meh New manager bounce, surely

We disagree.

What was Stephens thinking with that back header?

You're going out of your way to find criticism here. The third goal was through Manning's legs and looked to have been deflected off the inside of his left boot. That wax neot an "attempt to scoop it over" To find fault with any goalkeeper for that second is beyond churlish. A goalkeeper might save the first but that's not very likely. Why don't you find fault with the big gaping hole in our defence that allows their player to run into our box unchallenged and drill the ball into the far corner?

Ii would argue (and often have) that he is about average for this level. I've seen a lot worse this evening in the Premier League and to be honest none of the goalkeepers that we have faced of late has been better.

There's no need for that type of language.

We all know that this is meaningless.

And Peter Sellers and Jim Callaghan, although I can understand them keeping quiet about him.

They don't. I got a letter telling me that I would get £200. Then on the back they told me how they were going to take it all back.

It's symbolic of our decline as a country.

Stop the count!

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And to me. If you can't see the difference then I guess we can all live with that. It's the attempt to interpret the results as having any significance that I find annoying.

Quirk

Give over, those aren't statistics, they are results.

Yep. You got it. A few promotions here and there perhaps. For most of the time just not getting relegated is all we could hope for.

Finishing 8th was a statistical quirk. I sum the season up as won nothing, achieved nothing.

Whoever it was, we wouldn't finishh anywhere near 8th if we only managed 46 points. As for the rest, "more than matching" is a long stretch considering that we were well beaten.

Those circumstances don't relate to any discussion about a team that finishes eighth in the table. Certainly not in any discussions relating to 'better' or 'worse'. The devil is in the detail. If a team finishes top (or bottom) by a wide margin then they could quite fairly be described as best or worst. Just to reiterate for those who are still awake or may even care about such things, we managed 46 points that season. The previous season we achieved 63 points yet for some inexplicable reason there are some people who think it was a fabulous achievement to get 46 points. Six teams finished in the range 44 to 46 points. Over the course of the season that difference amounts to less than the width of a goalpost. The team that finished above us in seventh place got 15 points more than us with a goal difference that was 25 goals better than ours. Any quantitative assessment of that season would say that what we did was nothing to get excited about.

That's a non sequitur. A table is only a list of figures and has no opinion. It is only when someone tries to make an inference from those figures that they can come to misleading conclusions.

We are not talking about a team that finished top.

The eighth not very good set.

Neither of those is true.