Whitey Grandad

Indeed you can't. I discount everything that's written

He said he was going to give it up: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11413801/Boris-Johnson-clears-way-to-Number-10-by-renouncing-US-passport.html That may also have been because of his threatened liability for US tax.

Boeing are investing nothing. The U.K. Taxpayer is paying for it. These 2000 jobs are the equivalent - or at the expense of - taking on more service personnel.

£223bn of exports a year?

There were a couple of poll results (YouGov?) on the BBC the other night (for what they're worth). One said that 66% wanted to stay in the Single Market. The other said that 52% wanted to end free movement of labour. Somebody is going to be disappointed. I couldn't help but notice this part of May's speech: "The full title of my party is the Conservative and Unionist party and that word unionist is very important to me. It means we believe in the union, the precious, precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland." It seemed to me to be a bit early to lay down that marker of all the things that she could have said. I just wonder whether this might be a prelude to using the Scots propensity to leave the UK as a means of limiting the extend of the EU divorce. What was that Chinese curse? 'May you live in interesting times'

Really? (raised eyebrow mode) Verrry interesting...

Even this is not guaranteed. After the banking crash of 2008 the pound dropped (20% I read) but there was no boost to exports. It's not just the tariffs that affect EU sales, it's all the customs red tape, delays and procedures that had been swept away. For a company importing within the EU there is the added cash-flow advantage of not having to pay VAT on the imports. Everything depends on what trade system eventually applies.

And you didn't not seem to understand irony. But it's not all about us

It can't have been all that secret.

Still way down on what it used to be.

Brexit?

I think I've eaten some of that in Asda.

Man crush? Great news about Bertrand. At least somebody is pleased to be here.

I'm sure Barnsley would have him. http://www.winnersports.co.uk/confirmed-lloyd-isgrove-wants-leave-southampton-fc-barnsley-fc-16713

Thanks, Verbal. I always try to learn a new word every day and now you've given me two

The dice really are loaded in their favour. Whatever they come up with we can either walk away from the table or... ...we can leave the EU. What are we going to do, threaten not to leave? The negotiations of which you speak would not take place for several years and can only officially begin once we have actually left. In the meantime there will be one big mess of uncertainty. Where have I said that we should re-run the referendum? My reading of the situation is that the eventual settlement will need some form of public mandate and approval. Don't expect me to try to make a success of it, I'm far too old.

There is no negotiating once A50 is triggered. That's why it hasn't been triggered yet. It is unclear whether it is possible or feasible to change our minds after we have invoked it but once set in motion what negotiating power do we have? They will just say 'this is what you'll get' and if you don't like it, so what? We can't change our minds and remain, certainly not without the approval of the other member states. A further complication is that there can only be informal talks until formal notice is given. There's some discussion here: http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/the-mechanics-of-leaving-the-eu-explaining-article-50/ And one view here. I tend to agree with the first part about responsibilities. http://www.reformist.org/blog/eu-referendum/

One was mandatory, the other advisory as was written into the respective Acts.

To be honest I'm quite impressed by the efficiency of the establishment getting what it wants.

The negotiations go like this: We tell them what we'd like. They go away and talk amongst themselves. They come back and tell us what we'll get. Game over. We'd be leaving whatever. Once we trigger A50 we will have left within two years.

Yes but which one?

Exactly. We've all got to pass a lot of water before we get any idea where we wil be standing.

The other Remain MPs would support any related issues.If she doesn't get the support of enough MPs to govern then there'll be an election before a Brexit. I don't think you fully understand the difficulties of a life under WTO MFN rules.

What is not true in what I wrote? It is clear from your responses that you don't understand the process of withdrawal from the EU. And I really don't see what connection there is to a comic character who has been defunct for nearly 40 years, in fact almost as long as we have been in the EU. 'We're f*cked' is a more accurate description. Cassandra warned about the destruction of Troy. That turned out well didn't it?

Let's be honest. It's me isn't it?