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That's pretty close from what I've seen.

Oh dear. Rather like how coronavirus is racist as it continues to attack black people, we have now learnt the sobering news that it's anti-semitic as well. How worrying: "Jewish men are twice as likely to die with Covid-19 and Jewish women 20% more likely to die with Covid-19 than Christian men and women, according to analysis from the Office for National Statistics. The analysis is based on deaths that occurred between 2 March and 15 May for which coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate and that could be linked to religion from the 2011 census. The risks for Sikhs, people who did not state a religion and people of no religion was slightly lower than for Christians."

I haven't seen campaigns against modern day slavery with anything like the same level of engagement which I would have thought would be of greater importance for those who view historic slavery as such a huge modern day problem. I actually agree with cb fry that if there's actual grievances that can be defined and tackled then that's a good thing. At the moment we seem to have some of that and then a hell of a lot of twitter mobs, outrage at statues, removing old comedies and children's TV shows, coco pops being called racist, Robert the Bruce being denounced as racist etc and then all the anti capitalist, anti family stuff I already outlined. In my opinion, virtually everyone in the UK would agree that black lives matter. The point where you're going to lose the average person is all the other stuff (and I am well aware that not every person kneeling or supporting black lives matter necessarily supports all the other stuff but a faction do and I think it's going to lose the cause support.)

It's terribly arrogant to proclaim that discussion of modern day slavery is not a relevant topic when discussing learning from the past.

For some black people racial inequality does not exist on the scale that you believe that it does.

But modern day slavery does involve racism? And its happening now, you would think it would be a much greater concern to anti racism campaigners as somethibg that could actually make a real difference now. It's a bit like lgbt activists who always seem very angry about perceived injustices in the west but have very little by comparison to say about Islamic countries where rights are violated to a much greater degree.

That's true but he was also making an assumption that it was Islamic which was the bit I was responding to. Doesn't really matter though.

Think you've missed the point. Batman isn't the one actively campaigning about the evils of historical slavery. It seems to me that if slavery were a huge overriding concern to you that you'd be better served tackling slavery that is actually occurring now rather than slavery that happened hundreds of years ago that no one alive has ever been involved in.

I'm not certain about the away kit like I am with the home.

What if you sing it in a mock reggae style and just say it's a homage to ub40?

I didn't. I was saying his assumption that it was an Islamic terrorist was correct.

Why strange?

Green King came out with a strong statement apologising because one of their founders had links with slavery. To try to make it right they are donating a sizable amount in reparations to the black community. The very least the guardian could do is to follow their lead.

I heard the away kit was just the colours reversed.

Is there a time limit on edits to posts now? Can be a bit of a pain if you want to add or change something.

It isn't obvious at all. There's a ton of people expressing reservations over this and it's partly why you're getting ridiculous calls to ban old media and children's shows like paw patrol. No sensible person believes that black lives don't matter.

Clearly you don't want to have a sensible conversation. It's not specific websites, it appears to be the official website of the movement and is named exactly the same as the slogan. Affiliates of the website have spoken in the media recently about the movement and fundraisers asking people to support 'blacklivesmatter" have expressed similar aims. I expect that most people who aren't just on a wind up recognise why there would be doubts from some about supporting a movement with obvious links to a political movement that many would disagree with.

It's about more than simply financial support obviously.

It's a bit like starting a movement called "child abuse is bad". Everyone agrees with that statement but if a group of people claiming to represent child abuse is bad set up "childabuseisbad.com" and then write a load of political beliefs that are nothing to do with child abuse being bad, you can see why there would be concern. Particularly if anyone expressing doubts about that is then accused of not thinking that child abuse is bad.

You haven't answered the question about their fundraisers or what appears to be their official website. The aims of blacklivesmatter.com are clear because they've written them on their website. I really oppose what they have said they stand for and I'd be worried that stated something obvious like blacklivesmatter would be misconstrued as a sign of support for what appears to be a political group called blacklivesmatter that I want nothing to do with.

Why are there fundraisers and what appears to be an official website (blacklivesmatter.com) with aims on it that are nothing to do with race? How can I be sure that by supporting "black lives matter" I am not inadvertently supporting this group called black lives matter that I disagree with very strongly? Its like certain feminist groups that say they simply advocate for equality between men and women and then you look into things and there's a whole raft of other things that have nothing to do with that.

What tangible things are being asked for? Serious question because I totally get the complaints with cops in America but what's the policies that are wanted in the UK?

My main issue with it is that for many people it's not just about a statement of black lives mattering. In what way should support be shown by people who absolutely oppose the additional political beliefs that the organisation stands for yet clearly supports the basic premise that black lives matter exactly the same amount as all lives.

Who said you couldn't? I'm fine with people taking the knee if that's what they want to do. It's obvious that many wouldn't be OK with a player deciding not to though.