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Some on here keep harping on about using the TV deal to boost player wages, but FFP rules do not allow any club to do this. The revenue from centralised TV deals is not counted as part of a club's 'own revenue'. These come from commercial/sponsorship deals, player sales, match day income and any UEFA prize money. A club can increase it's wage bill by £19M based on its 2012/13 wage costs as a baseline, but can exceed it if 'own revenue' allows. As far as I can ascertain this means that we would be able to increase the wage bill to £66M to be compliant with the rules, however with a 2015/16 wage bill of £60M we are only able to increase the wage bill this season by £6M, which probably allowed us to tie a few down to 'longer term', more lucrative contracts but does not allow us to compete with the very top clubs. Some bemoan the fact that we sell disproportionately to Liverpool. If you take their baseline of £132M in 2012/13 increase it by £19M it increases their wage budget to £151M, however, last season they spent £152M which means effectively they have to lower their wage bill by £1M. So it seems like FFP is working in our favour, but Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal have such global profiles their 'own revenue' specifically that from commercial/sponsorship deals more than compensates for having to comply with FFP rules.

Athletico Madrid to some extent have done this. Sell Costa to Chelsea for £32M and replace with Griezmann for £25M is one example.

Liverpool, regrettably are a huge club, we are not. Can't help feeling they buy our players to slap us down, but FFP means we will never be competitive

Just compared your FTP test and my ride up the mountain on Strava. I noticed your test went up the way I came down. Anyhow I noticed we both climbed at a similar pace and over a similar gradient from start to top. Mine was 3 as opposed to 4% but half as long again as yours. I registered a meagre 122w, while you were at 138w. The reason I ask is because I noticed on the final part of the climb we were again at similar speeds, this time on the same gradient over the same road and had power readings which were similar. Weird. The bit up to the radio mast is hard!

Similar to me WS. Don't know which Cycleops you used , but i had a Fluid 2, which whilst a great trainer seemed to have my FTP up at a similar level on a test. The reality will be somewhat different when i do it on the Snap. Tried the mountain yesterday. Using it as a blueprint for Alps. Keeping HR under 130bpm, knowing that you could go harder but if you did you'd blow up on an alpine climb mans that the power values are relatively meaningless. That said I think the power you get on the Snap is probably lower than in reality. 119w for a 2.4km climb at an average of 5-6% should be around 140w for someone my weight not as recorded on the Snap yesterday. BTW resistance dropped out on the mountain at the German village grrrr.

I was led to believe Larry12 is a feckin Skate. Ignore.

Hmmmm! https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/18/english-premier-league-sells-china-tv-rights-for-564m-report-claims?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=200233&subid=18430495&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

BTW very much liking Vftt's FB page idea.

This is the reason why we should despise them.

Glad you got it sorted out WS. Going back to your earlier post about difference between a smart and 'dumb' trainer here is a comparison of two different rides. In both cases the first was on a Cyclops Fluid 2 trainer and second with the Kickr Snap. Some interesting differences. 2 Laps of PR London https://www.strava.com/activities/755392753 https://www.strava.com/activities/777267963 This is my go to Autumn intervals ride. https://www.strava.com/activities/763813894 https://www.strava.com/activities/777267963

What are using to control resistance on Zwift WS. I have mine linked to my laptop via Ant+ F EC rather than Bluetooth. The only issue I have encountered was when I turned BTth on on my Edge 520 just to see if it would pair with the trainer and left it on. Once I turned it off and it wasn't receiving on BTth at the same time as Ant+ F EC it worked fine in Sim Mode. This seems to confirm that there is kind of some conflict. Hope you get it sorted out. As you are in the US it might be worth giving Wahoo a call. https://support.zwift.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/205018636-Struggling-to-control-resistance-with-Zwift-and-Wahoo-Kickr-snap-trainer

Let's not forget to some extent we are where we are this season because of him. I think most are capable of seeing this from both RK's and the club's view and that a break was both natural and inevitable. I certainly have no animosity towards him.

Yes WS. This evening I did a session which was 5 mins warm up then 3 x 10 minute tempo intervals with three mins recovery between. This is a go to turbo session for me and was significantly tougher on Kickr Snap than on Fluid 2. HR ten - fifteen beats higher during efforts, fairly and squarely in tempo zone just to keep it above 200 watts. Felt like I'd been a quick flattish road ride to be fair. Av speed similar to same ride on Fluid 2 and power not hugely different from zpower, but just tougher. No hiding place.

Then we'll be in the Championship again you attention seeking cnt!

Just found out why so many cyclists on the road. From Abergavenny to Hay on Way you go over the Gospel Pass, highest road in Wales at around 1800 ft.

Haven't downloaded anything like this for my Edge 520, like the look of the speedo effect. TBH it depends where, how and what kind of ride I'm looking for as to what appears on mine.

Good one WS even with my lame maths that's $480 and at current exchange rates that's just a smidge under £380, so great deal. You can pick them up from various online retailers here for a similar price to the non-discounted US price. I had a £60 Wiggle loyalty discount, but wouldn't take that off the offer price of £473, only off the full UK rrp of £499, however it's a good piece of kit for under £450. Would be interested to know what software you intend to use with it. At present I have Zwift and an annual subscription to Bkool which expires at the end of January. One of the beauty's of the Kickrs is that their third party app support. You can pretty much use anything. Zwift works fine, but Bkool has a few issues which I have yet to resolve. Pairs fine but just doesn't work properly. Anyway no riding this weekend. Spent yesterday in the Vale of Eywas, the eastern most valley in Black Mountains helping our daughter with her with fieldwork for her dissertation. Beautiful spot, plenty of walking uphill, very few people.

And another one wades in.

This is hilarious! http://fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=665948

Lallana MoM. That'll go down well then.

**** off you tin c u n t!

Worked out that roller could be tightened using an Allen Key. Had one the right size, but was too short to get any leverage with. Borrowed longer one from next door, hey-presto roller tightened so good to go. best of all no return to Wiggle.

Utterly predictable ****e from Glasgow. Now do one!

OK WS. The good news is that the Kickr Snap arrived and I got it set up. The bad news was that to do so I had to give the garage a bit of a clear out. Further bad news was that when I'd got it all set up and given it a trial ride it made an almighty racket that seemed to come from the roller. When I looked at the roller I noticed that it was moving for and aft as well as laterally on its axle/spindle. I could rock the wheel back and forth on the roller also. So contacted Wiggle, going to send them a video and it looks like it is going back.

Not at all. It's just that I find the 'sky is falling in' 'our season is over' mentality that some have rather tiresome. Usually from those that only really post on here in quantity when we lose, as if to simply wind things up. You hit the nail on the head in an earlier post when you said that we went into the season a striker light. Not a lot we can do until January. A reasoned judgement I would say and one based on a bit of thought and not part of some self-centered wind-up/trolling.