Winnersaint

Nah not trolling! Just fed up with this place being taken over by wnakers. It's not like i haven't tried to ignore him that's what the ignore list is for you know. Ignore - to refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally.

Stop quoting the c-u-n-t I've finally put Glasgow/Bournemouth/Heisenp-r-i-c-k on ignore only for his drivel to keep popping up as well. Dalek's gone too as has the obese one in the home of the Von Trapp's Btw is this the same Sam McQueen who is going in a £30m deal to Liverpoool with VVD?

You still on here

That's a bit of an issue I suppose Bx16. I think the 3 posts per day for registered users was a little limiting on here so Vfft set up the closed group. Not a huge amount going on there mind, but easy to put pictures/ videos etc there. Also an escape from Betwetters and Brexs-h-i-teers on here.

Agree. Tis easy for some to lose perspective on what is important in life. I'm off to FB to vent frustration at this place without the floating dustbin, Heisenp-r-i-c-k et al to irritate.

OK we lost. I'll get over it, kind of thought it might happen. League game sandwiched between two massive cup games. Anyway onwards we go to the next one. Me I'm off out this evening for a meal to celebrate my birthday last week. Not only is Mrs Winnersaint driving, she's paying as well. happy days! Oh I forgot. I will be as cross as the next person if we stuff up on Thursday btw.

The floating dustbin speaks, as usual out of his a-r-s-e!

He's a f-c-k-i-n clown

Well put FF.

TBF Alps I find your trolling a bit t-w-a-t-t-i-s-h and very tiresome, but you may well have a point. However, it was always going to be thus this season. It's just we don't need you coming on here with your doom and gloom telling everyone what we already know.

Heisen***** and the floating dustbin trolling b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s as usual

Not really. Ironic post! Always amused by the sentiments and how much it means to individuals. Remember the 7-1 Watford game back in the day and returning to studies to face loud mouth Watford dude back in the day. Was much younger and it meant more, in hindsight there are far more important things to worry about.

C-u-n-t. F-u-c-k off Dalek. Mods get rid of these trolling idiots, they are ruining this site, and yet you do f-u-c-k all.

This place is full of c-u-n-t-s when we lose. What happens, happens!

OK if you post on this thread and ride a bike you need to get over here! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1867386480162024/

Last question answered VfTT.

Take your point, but perhaps that's for 2017/18.

I did wonder about WS doing a FTP test up Watopia Mountain. Maybe that was the course given by Zwift. I certainly would look to do mine on the flat. With regards to FTPs and power on the Kickr Snap I think it is artificially low, but I don't know by how much. All I do know is if I'm grinding up a 1.3km stretch at 11%+ I would expect to be doing more than 114W. Riding to HR at present is as a training device. 130bpm just towards the top end of endurance for me. It's all about having a plan to 'get to the top' without blowing up on an extended climb. I take the point that the reality in France might be different, but it is serving as a training base for now. Before Xmas is no time for more intensive work especially as I'm looking towards late June. I will look to ramp it up in the New Year but extended climbing really is all about maintaining tempo. Age I suppose is irrelevant I just used it to point out why my motivation is where it is. Maybe I'd view things differently if I'd come to the sport in my early to mid forties instead of 10 years later. That said I'm still up for improvement, just accepting that any increments might be quite small. BTW any developments on the private FB group. Think it's a great idea.

What I find interesting is the 'he will only go to one of the really top clubs' idea. That's as maybe in VVDs case, but so far none of our departures have gone to Man City or Chelsea and those that have transferred to Man U and Arsenal (Shaw, Schneiderlin and Chambers) have hardly ripped up trees. Just putting it out there but do we as Saints fans have an over-inflated opinion of the ability of our best players. Those that have gone to a team below very top level, Liverpool, have been more successful. Makes you think?

I agree with not being too anal about it as long as the data you get is consistent each time you use the trainer that is all that matters. My reason for bringing this up was that the differences between my last FTP test on the Fluid 2 and my power output on the Snap are so off that I had a suspicion that the former was over-reading my power and the latter was under-reading it. You seem to confirm that to be so. You are right about doing this for enjoyment. I'll be 60 (that's scary!) in just over a year's time so I am certainly not in it for any other reason. I also agree with your observations about climbing, that's pretty much the approach I'll be taking in the Alps next year. I will be riding to HR, trying to keep it under 130bpm throughout in order not to go too hard. I managed this yesterday on Zwift and tbh most of the climb was OK and it is a good blueprint for next summer. Mind you the first 2km of Alpe d'Huez is 10%+ so keeping on or under that may be a bit of an issue, especially as the gite is pretty much at the base of the climb and I do need a little time to get everything working as I would like.

Some on here keep harping on about using the TV deal to boost player wages, but FFP rules do not allow any club to do this. The revenue from centralised TV deals is not counted as part of a club's 'own revenue'. These come from commercial/sponsorship deals, player sales, match day income and any UEFA prize money. A club can increase it's wage bill by £19M based on its 2012/13 wage costs as a baseline, but can exceed it if 'own revenue' allows. As far as I can ascertain this means that we would be able to increase the wage bill to £66M to be compliant with the rules, however with a 2015/16 wage bill of £60M we are only able to increase the wage bill this season by £6M, which probably allowed us to tie a few down to 'longer term', more lucrative contracts but does not allow us to compete with the very top clubs. Some bemoan the fact that we sell disproportionately to Liverpool. If you take their baseline of £132M in 2012/13 increase it by £19M it increases their wage budget to £151M, however, last season they spent £152M which means effectively they have to lower their wage bill by £1M. So it seems like FFP is working in our favour, but Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal have such global profiles their 'own revenue' specifically that from commercial/sponsorship deals more than compensates for having to comply with FFP rules.

Athletico Madrid to some extent have done this. Sell Costa to Chelsea for £32M and replace with Griezmann for £25M is one example.

Liverpool, regrettably are a huge club, we are not. Can't help feeling they buy our players to slap us down, but FFP means we will never be competitive

Just compared your FTP test and my ride up the mountain on Strava. I noticed your test went up the way I came down. Anyhow I noticed we both climbed at a similar pace and over a similar gradient from start to top. Mine was 3 as opposed to 4% but half as long again as yours. I registered a meagre 122w, while you were at 138w. The reason I ask is because I noticed on the final part of the climb we were again at similar speeds, this time on the same gradient over the same road and had power readings which were similar. Weird. The bit up to the radio mast is hard!

Similar to me WS. Don't know which Cycleops you used , but i had a Fluid 2, which whilst a great trainer seemed to have my FTP up at a similar level on a test. The reality will be somewhat different when i do it on the Snap. Tried the mountain yesterday. Using it as a blueprint for Alps. Keeping HR under 130bpm, knowing that you could go harder but if you did you'd blow up on an alpine climb mans that the power values are relatively meaningless. That said I think the power you get on the Snap is probably lower than in reality. 119w for a 2.4km climb at an average of 5-6% should be around 140w for someone my weight not as recorded on the Snap yesterday. BTW resistance dropped out on the mountain at the German village grrrr.