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It's very simple. You have called into question Raging Bill's ability to have a particular feeling. Turkish has questioned if you have a particular feeling. Seems a fair question in the circumstances.

But if he says he does or does not, we cannot determine if he actually does or does not love her. Hopefully his scientific 3rd party feeling test will help.

Jeez, your arrogance and/or lack of understanding has gone up a notch. I can't believe you have actually said: "we can't determine if he actually is free from it or just delusional." We don't determine. We can't. It's not our place. Only he knows if he feels freer. It's a feeling. It's what humans have. He has a feeling of freedom from his belief. What's your test for determining if he is actually free? Obviously it'll be scientific. Please explain.

We don't, I don't care, it's not about me. Or you.

Nope, this is as simple as Raging Bull saying that his beliefs make him feel freer. You said that's impossible which is bollocks, and something that you can possibly question. How we feel is personal and subjective. You're staggeringly arrogant if you feel able to say that another person cannot possibly have feelings that they feel.

You have no right to query how something makes someone else feel. It's a matter for them. What does how I feel now, or why I feel it, matter to you? It's the same. Further you don't need to agree with a concept to accept someone else's opinion on that concept.

I'll say it is plain English. What gives you the right to say that Raging Bull cannot feel freer as a result of his beliefs, whatever they may be? My view is that you don't have to know his beliefs or agree with them, to respect that he has them and they help him in some way.

You're right in that some people believe in God without following an organised religion, but that's irrelevant to someone saying that their beliefs make them feel freer. If his beliefs make Raging Bull a happy man, great. If your beliefs are the opposite (or whatever) make you a happy man, great. Neither have anything to do with me or anyone else, so good luck to both of you.

Just assume I'm correct...tell me how you think you can say what someone feels makes them freer.

You're confused. Raging Bull says that his beliefs make him feel freer. That's a belief in God, and he's entitled to that belief. He doesn't say that it makes him feel free from God. I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion. Indeed, he doesn't say what he has freedom from, but I suspect he's talking about an inner freedom, i.e. peace of mind, contentment, serenity. Whatever the freedom is, it is something which Raging Bull is entitled to feel, and he doesn't need to justify himself or his feelings to anyone else. They are entirely his business. The sad thing throughout this thread is that you perpetually resurrect it, but consistently show a) no understanding of he subject or b) any ability to comprehend that your feelings/beliefs do not apply to other people.

Who knows, who cares. They're his feelings. What they are, why he has them, whether they're valid, is his business only.

Wrong. Raging Bull said that his beliefs make him freer. You say that's not possible. What gives Raging Bull a feeling of inner freedom, nobody else can say, other than you seemingly.

Nonsense. A persons personal feelings are entirely that. If something that makes Raging Bull feel freer doesn't make you feel freer, it doesn't negate the freedom he feels. You don't own other people's feelings. They do.

How you feel able to determine what makes someone else feel freer is beyond me. A feeling of freedom is entirely subjective.

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You do yourself no favours mate. Get a real hobby.

Indeed. The notion that this is some kind of social control experiment is the biggest load of bollox ever. It assumes that every government is involved, or so controlled and/or in fear of the unspecified puppet master(s), that they too comply. Absolutely nuts.

I'll bite. So who's behind this experiment? What are they hoping to achieve? Why would people choose to damage economies in the scale we're seeing?

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You reference 2 political leaders. Many many people in social media and the real world believe this to be made up. Some think it's a social experiment (by persons named for an unspecified purpose) and then there's those who babble on about Bill Gates, a micro chipping drive, and 5G, etc. Personally, I'm not sure where the interpretation of past statistics take us. Loads of people have died, loads more will, loads of lives have been ruined health wise and financially. We can only control the spread, work out treatments pending a possible vaccine, and manage the economy as best we can. Nothing else will alter anything.

I know 2 people who've tested positive, and others who have been ill and likely had it. The 2 who tested positive have been very unwell and will have life time issues. 1 a 50 year old man. White. Very fit and healthy pre covid. Didn't need a ventilator was acutely ill and family were concerned he wouldn't make it. Now has diabetes as a result of covid attacking his body. Other health issues and anticipated at least 6 months until feeling something like normal again. The other is a 46 year old woman. Super fit. White. No health issues. Didn't need hospital care but 4 months on, still very unwell. Has been jaundiced, constantly fatigued, all sorts of recurring infections as immune system damaged. The surprising one is that she's left with arthritis in her wrist and loss of feeling in a hand as a result of the attack covid has on the system. Both lifetime issues that'll likely degenerate. If either of these were to die as as a result of a condition left by covid, i.e. in the ladies case say a chest infection, I can't see that it would be wrong to list covid as a cause of death. I suspect that's what has been happening at least to some extent.

Dunno mate, it is what it is. But this "leave her where she is" and make her stateless nonsense isn't the answer. She's a piece of work, but she's our problem.