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Yep, football is irrelevant for now. If 60% infection rate is to be expected, and say 3% overall death rate, that's a lot of bodies. The only way to get the body count down is to keep infection rate down you would think.

I'll reply to this post then leave you to it. You're confusing Gao with a multi billionaire with money to burn on a hobby. SFC ain't a hobby. It's a business. He ain't a multi billionaire. Business men do not throw money away. It's really not a difficult concept.

Common sense is lost on him mate. There's not one business man in the world who'd inject tens of millions into a business knowing it'll never come back. But Gao should do that apparently.

Gordon, we've done this to death. You consistently misquote me and fail to see any argument other than yours. You think the club should sign players. I say I'd love them to, but as I can read a balance sheet and have a bit of common sense, I accept we can't. We both want a different owner. I've said that several times but you appear to think I'm a fan of his. Bizarre. In case you haven't noticed, there's a bit more going on in the word. I'm not interested in trying to debate with someone as blinkered as you. I'm more interested in stuff that actually matters.

SOG, I get that. As I've said, I have folks in their mid 70's, both with respiratory issues, one of them acute. I hate the idea of them being caged in for months, but I'd hate them to die on a trolley through their own inability to do as requested. I don't like this deflection from the issue by referring to other issues. This is a single, and bloody important, issue.

Completely different issue Whelk, but I agree, the panic buying and stockpiling is outrageous. But I won't die if someone buys too many loo rolls and I have to use a rag. I will if someone ignores sage advice and catches it cos they "need" to take their car for an mot and take the bed I could have had if they weren't so selfish.

I'll answer your first point. The other two are daft. Anyone that takes a hospital bed through their own selfish stupidity is a threat. That bed could have gone to someone else who hadn't been selfish. That bed could have been for me or someone I know. We all have a responsibility in this situation - being selfish/stubborn and prejudicing others is downright irresponsible.

This. As an addendum, it's the sheer selfishness of knowing that they could be taking a hospital bed / respirator / doctors from someone else that I can't get over. Car mot though, ffs. Get a mate to take it. Get the garage to collect it. Just don't be selfish.

Blimey. It's not just about you.

No disrespect intended, but they're not reasons why it can't work. Sure it'll be difficult, as it will for all of us, but they're not a bar to isolation working. My folks are well over 70 and both have acute respiratory issues. They're coming out with similar stuff but are slowly understanding the need for them, and others in society, to do as is required.

Yep. It seems obvious. More infections now = more sick people now.

There's gotta be consistency Mr Duck. If you give Liverpool the title do you say Norwich are gone and relegate them, and say nobody will will catch West Brom so send them up? It's either abandon the season or finish it. But yeah, I'd be fecking annoyed if we were in Liverpool shoes.

Yep. If the suppression has somehow halted the spread then great. Either way, I'm struggling to see how exposing more people as we're doing slows our peak and helps keep the pressure off the medics. It feels counter intuitive, and is contrary to what the Chinese and others have done. Either way, there's nothing we can do other than what we're advised and take sensible precautions.

Spot on. Giving Liverpool the title means picking other winners and losers when nothing has been mathematically decided. End it here and start next season as near to the usual start date as is safe.

As I've said, I have no idea on the numbers that will get it. It's the government that have thrown out the 60% of the population figure for herd immunisation. Merkel has speculated that a higher figure of Germans could it. Its been said that 1 in 5 will get seriously ill. The number that will die, will depend on the number that are get it and that comes down to government policy. We're using a different approach to others and I don't mind admitting I think it's stupid.

I hope you're right, but the response of Western governments suggests otherwise. For every person fearing armageddon, there are several more in the "it's just a cold" and "flu kills more, so what's all the fuss" camps. The truth is China have suppressed this and conducted mass testing. When they come fully out of lock down, who knows what will happen but if it means another spike, at least the suppression period has given teh medics time to traleat. We've done neither of those and whilst I'm no medic or expert, common sense tells me that our policy of limited testing and minimal suppression is bound to lead to mass spread, thus mass impact on the NHS, and a high death count. I've no idea where you plucked the 300k death figure from, but this isn't a subject to be falsely attributing comments to people - if you must post in that style, do it on irrelevant stuff like football.

Maths, statistics, everything bar infectious disease I think. That said, if our approach is correct, everyone else has got it wrong.

I think it's the whole herd immunity point. Perception amongst some is that if 60% need to get it in order to achieve herd immunity, then some assume that 60% will get it. That's 40m or so. If the maths work back from that and 1 in 5 will get properly ill, and using Italian death rates, then it's carnage. The issue though is how many of us will get it. If it is mega numbers, the death rate will be much higher as there'll be less beds and ventilators etc. My personal view is that our approach will inevitably lead to widespread infection and a high death count. How many, no idea, but it won't be pretty.

There's some logic to that. My thoughts are that a compressed season won't wash because of the need for games for TV contracts. Its an interesting approach though, and I guess what's the lesser of 2 evils from a legal perspective - risking litigation by abandoning this season, or finishing it as soon as it can safely happen and fudging next season. On balance I think abandoning this season and starting the 2020 / 2021 as near to the usual time, and using the laid out framework if possible, is less risky.

The 2nd chart is reassuring to an extent. The bottom chart is pretty irrelevant though as those other diseases are well established but this one still growing. There'll be loads of people still ill and/or on ventilators that may not make it. Moreover, the disease is growing in its spread and until it peaks, and cases have run their course, any stats about the number of deaths is premature. Bottom chart, 3rd line down. Pneumonia. That's the complication of this disease. Pneumonia itself isn't contagious, but this disease is highly contagious, and in some cases can lead to pneumonia. Just imagine where pneumonia would be on that list if it, in itself, was a contagious air born virus? The answer is top, by a distance. Putting charts to one side, the biggest indicator of the seriousness is worldwide government and WHO reaction. Countries and borders don't just close down.

Thank you, a good read. I think the blasé attitude some are showing to an extent comes from a lack of clear information, but sometimes sheer bloody mindedness and a refusal to acknowledge the reality of how serious this stuff is. My folks are both mid 70's with acute lung conditions. They think this is 'just a cold' and that they everyone is overreacting and should crack on as normal. They can't understand that if they get it they won't be a priority for medical attention. Footballers are young, fit and healthy but still susceptible to this. Moreover, their folks, grandparents and others will be potentially more susceptible and anyone can pass this thing on without realising they have it. Pushing 22 players into close contact, in 46 league games, exposes them and hundreds of others in their lives. I'm amazed that people can't see the risk.

Never before has a player become a £60m+ superstar whilst injured. He's decent and a big part of our team but a bit of perspective is needed.

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Do you really believe that RH and the board don't talk about these things? Of course they do. RH will know the state of our finances, and whether there is a need to sell to fund an incoming player. None of us know what happened in the window. It's possible that a permanent sale may have been close with those monies / saved wages used to fund the signing RH wanted. I was given good info that the club wanted to sell Adams to Leeds and bring in a loan from Arsenal, I suspect Nketiah. That didn't happen and may be why the incoming player didn't happen. Who knows. Regardless of what happened, Ralph will have known what was happening.