John B

An assumption not a fact I would have thought.

Because they would have needed to buy the shares which they do not have to now.

To some extent it was the tactics at home did for us. We have 18 points at home 23 away

Yes in hindsight you are correct but In May it was probably thought that some of Rasiak John Skacel etc could be sold for a fee which would reduce the overdraft. But I still think not playing 442 was a mistake but that said our Strikers were the highest earners so playing them was going to cause a financial problem. But simple things like arguing at Cardiff in the last minute which led to their goal , giving a stupid penalty against Blackpool and missing two ourselves against Watford did not help either

I remember seeing Justin play for the Saints when was that? Was he on loan ? I remember he was not very good

Everton and Aston Villa are large clubs having won major domestic and European Honours in fact Everton have never been relegated unlike West Ham who have been relegated more than once in last twenty or so years. We were a small club with little money to throw at players. I remember listening to an interview with Lawrie Mac where he said that the club's ambition was to stay in the Premiership

I am really pleased but l it is a shame you dont show much common sense on this forum

Delusion The squad may have been the best if they were in their Prime but surely Claus Dodd Le Suax Telfer were getting slower and we had no commanding CB How many of that Squad got in the Saints greatest Team.

How rude You just appear to be a bit of a bully if people do not agree with you

I can argue but you just rant and go of on tangents. The main reason we got relegated was that the team was past it and we had no means to improve it in the short term.

That is an interesting point I dont know as it never occurred to me. Ipswich Reading and Crystal Palace fans I know seem more pragmatic but then they have not been in the top flight for as long as us

I cannot be bothered to continue to discuss with you because you keep going off on tangents I said one point at a time

I know it is different but I said there was not such an outcry and this helped us go forward that was my point

I think it was originally written in a foreign language and has been through a BABELFISH like translation.

Yes I do agree that playing poor football will mean that the crowds will be smaller but not going to games just because Lowe was there surely reduced revenue and has contributed to us going into administration not playing 442 may have been another I am not blaming anyone I am just pointing out there are a number of reasons why the club finds it self in the position it does today. Many fans have not taken relegation from the Premiership very well I remember in 1974 when we got relegated with a better team than in 2005 there was not such an outcry. Relegation did contribute to our demise but it should not have . The anti Lowe feeling led to Wilde coming in and he appeared believed like Crouch did ,that investment was around the corner and just spent assumming somebody was going to come in and pay the bill

I dont want to to have a slanging match and upset you So Let us go through point by point. Point One I suggested you were in a fantasy world because you appeared not to have accepted the situation that at the beginning of the season that because we had to reduce costs the team would struggle as they lacked experience and talent and the games would be poor.

I did not say I do not watch the Saints I said I do not watch the Saints regularly as I now live some way from Southampton. I follow nearly all matches here on my PC with BBC OS and Forum and noticed your post suggesting that we would win 3 1. Mind you the first time I went to Vicarge road we lost 7 1 I do admit that I do not get as upset as I used to when we lose I probably am getting used to it. The worst moment for me this season was against Sheff Utd I think after we equalised with a minute to go we lost it was at that moment I thought we would be relegated As usual you make assumptions which are totally incorrect I went to School in Southampton at St Mary's College.

You obviously live in a fantasy world if the club has to reduce costs in order to reduce the overdraft the team is not going to be very good and needs all the support it can get boycotting St Mary's obviously does not help. Lowe was involved in getting us relegated of course but it is not solely him who has decimated the club as you put it. I am sorry that I appear sanctimonious but I the hatred of Lowe has seriously damaged the club and as I have said I dont care who runs the club and who manages the team . It surely is a point view that I have come to after analysing all the facts

You are right I do not go to watch the Saints regularly and have not done so for over twenty years but I follow them closely and have done so for ov. However I can the reasons why the club has failed in recent years and the blind hatred towards Lowe and recently Wilde has contributed to it. Getting relegated was unfortunate but not a disaster but over spending did turn out to be so for nearly fifty years. Unlike you I do not regard that everything that Lowe does is completely wrong and frankly find it strange that Lowe is blamed for everything.

Nineteen puts a reasonable case to me but you obviosly do not agree . If the fans had supported the Club by going to St Mary's week in week out we would be in a better shape that appears obvious to me. It seems to me a fair number were more interested in getting Lowe out than supporting the Club

Do you know who is paying for the administrators

Yes a serious Injury

Yes but not total incompetance as was the case in 2006-2008 when Lowe was not in charge

As to be expected although I would have hoped for three or four wins more

I think it is all over the fat lady is about to sing