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Have to reluctantly agree that the display tonight was dreadful and once again - despite supposedly having four of the best defenders in this league, our defence was completely undone by a team with a bit of pace and guile - not once, but three times. Not only that, but despite having the best striker in the league and an ex-Premiership quality striker, plus supposedly the best winger in the division in Puncheon, we lacked any form of decent creative drive into the box. Unless of course it is lumped into Lambert, who looked pretty disinterested for most of the game. It's no surprise Barnard came on like a bull in a china shop - he must be so frustrated at doing so much work and not getting a start ahead of an out of form Lambert. Final word for Wilkins, who said on Solent that he thought we were the better team in the middle third. B0ll0x were we. If that's the type of game preparation and planning we can expect from him, he might as well hand over the reigns now and fook off as it was a complete disaster. Wilkins and the players can bleat on as much as they like about how Pardews exit did not affect them because they're 'professionals', but I hope Cortese has a really fantastic game plan because to me that team has had the stuffing knocked right out of them and the morale in the dressing room now must be rock f-ing bottom! Nothing has changed at Saints other than now we've got to sit back and watch this next horror story unfold.

Solent have said that a decision will not be made this week and Wilkins seemed pretty certain that it would be himself readying the team for Saturday. Wonderful - we can kiss another 3 home points away then based on tonights performance.

Have to reluctantly agree that the display tonight was dreadful and once again - despite supposedly having four of the best defenders in this league, our defence was completely undone by a team with a bit of pace and guile - not once, but three times. Not only that, but despite having the best striker in the league and an ex-Premiership quality striker, plus supposedly the best winger in the division in Puncheon, we lacked any form of decent creative drive into the box. Unless of course it is lumped into Lambert, who looked pretty disinterested for most of the game. It's no surprise Barnard came on like a bull in a china shop - he must be so frustrated at doing so much work and not getting a start ahead of an out of form Lambert. Final word for Wilkins, who said on Solent that he thought we were the better team in the middle third. B0ll0x were we. If that's the type of game preparation and planning we can expect from him, he might as well hand over the reigns now and fook off as it was a complete disaster. Wilkins and the players can bleat on as much as they like about how Pardews exit did not affect them because they're 'professionals', but I hope Cortese has a really fantastic game plan because to me that team has had the stuffing knocked right out of them and the morale in the dressing room now must be rock f-ing bottom! Nothing has changed at Saints other than now we've got to sit back and watch this next horror story unfold.

Please, please, someone tell me that we have got shot of Pulis. Surely nobody in their right mind would give that lad another deal?!?!?

I can tell you now that if Hart is appointed Cortese can have my ST back and I'll be taking him to court to get my money back as he's sold me damaged goods. Seriously, I would be very fooked off. When I bought my ST it was with the expectation that Pardew would be the Manager for the season - sacking him AND then bringing in that stinking ex-skate no mark would be the end of it for me. Rant over....thanks for listening...I feel much better now...x

Well who's to say Zola would not bring Clarke with him, but still keep on Wilkins as a 1st team coach?

Zola / Wilkins combo? Would provide best of both worlds. Zola is currently bookies favourite - gotta be a reason for that I would suggest.

Howe has done well and mainly IMO because he has grown with the team - i.e. the team want to play for HIM. A move to a project like Southampton would be completely wrong for both parties and IMO he would fail dramatically - out on his ear by December and a ruined career to boot. I don't think he would come here at the moment anyway - look where Cherries are compared to us in the table - they could be pushing us for a play-off place come March/April next year. (;

Had a choice yesterday of last row of Kingsland centre or among the teenage warriors in the Northam. The latter won out in the end - not been in block 40 before so hopefully not a bad choice.

I think it's just to provide maximum continuity for this transitional period. You could say that as he is a tried and tested L1 manager in his own right, this was a good piece of forward planning by NC. He clearly also has good contacts and I would suggest he's got the ear of Cortese at least in the short term.

No more signings today then. It will be loans or rely on the youth development team to supply the 'extra'. In fact I think even the loans door will be firmly shut to whoever comes in unless it's a really big name with clout.

Be careful what you believe here. The quote is minimal and frankly the emphasis of the story is anti-AP, so to consider this article as a NC - MLT feud is completely getting the wrong end of the stick IMO.

Surely the new guy will need to be better / bigger name than Wilkins? Otherwise, why not just stick with Wilkins to get us out of this league as he's had good experience at Brighton and now here. I would be completely underwhelmed by Tisdale for example - not enough about him yet and if there was, he would have moved up a level or two by now.

You probably don't give a monkeys, but I owe you an apology. I suggested that your OP was wrong among other things - clearly I was incorrect in my assertion. My first reaction to this news was that NC had made a terrible mistake and while I do hope for managerial stability at Saints, it is less clear to me that NC is necessarily the ultimate villian. If he appoints Zola for example, this will go some way to explaining the decision from a more human perspective. If he appoints MO'N then that will explain the decision more from a hard-nosed and financial perspective. Appointing some of the no-marks suggested in the media would still leave me thinking that a significant mistake has been made by NC.

I note with interest that Dodd's name appears once again in relation to unrest with the serving Manager. Is he some kind of behind the scenes snitch reporting all the goings-on at Staplewood to the Boardroom?

Don't think I'm saying Zola is the right guy, because I'm not. I cannot believe you really don't see this, however, here's some idea's... a. He's a mate for NC now Markus is gone - don't underestimate this...NC is possibly somewhat isolated. b. He has got good experience in the English game. c. His time at Chelski means he has good contacts with certain staff who also have contact at Saints. d. He was an exponent of utilising youth at West Ham and there are 2-3 good examples of where he helped develop players through the 1st team. e. He is a Premiership quality manager that is without a club. f. NC should be expected to aim high or risk failing in his quest for success. g. Only a rumour, but there was talk of Zola being in the area recently. There may be other points, but put these together and there's a case IMO.

I would not like it to be McClaren frankly - I just don't think he would have what it takes to get us out of L1. Plus he talks rubbish.

As I mentioned on another thread, I think Zola ticks all the boxes. I understand that he is friends with NC and since losing his mate Markus, I think NC needs a new trusted ally by his side that has experience and commitment to the youth development program they are building. If I were a betting man, this is where my money would go right now (mind you, I'm not because I tend not to win too often!).

I think our season may take a dip to start with - instability is not good for this club - history tells us this. We will not know the longer term effects until it's clear how the players respond to the new man. I can imagine Wilkins will be kept on as Assistant as there will be links to the Prem via his brother at Chelski. Further, I have been thinking about the deeper issues regarding why NC made the change and I believe the passing of Markus to be a key moment. Why? Because Markus provided NC with a friend along the journey...he needs to replace Markus as such and Zola is that man IMO. I think around May/June time when Zola became a free agent, NC had marked AP's cards and Markus' passing sealed the matter. NC needs a friend on his journey now, preferably from the footballing fraternity and he's not going to get that from anyone better placed than Zola, especially when it comes to their mutual approach to youth strategy.

Might I suggest that getting AP's demise is not something to particularly gloat about. Managerial instability at most football clubs has largely resulted in one thing - failure to achieve any form of sustained core success. We shall see what this brings for Saints, however I am extremely disappointed that NC has not been able to maintain managerial stability and therefore there is a big question mark over FUTURE stability also.

ZOLA - West Ham United On 9 September 2008, Zola agreed a three-year contract to manage West Ham United, replacing Alan Curbishley, who resigned following differences with the board. He was unveiled as manager on 11 September, despite not having the required UEFA A managing licence. Zola, surprisingly for someone closely associated with West Ham's cross-town rivals Chelsea, quickly gained the backing of the fans. Nevertheless, he received applause from Chelsea fans whenever he returned to Stamford Bridge as West Ham manager. After a shaky start Zola began to develop a side with a flair not seen in a West Ham side for some years.[17] He was also praised for integrating more youth products into the first team.[18] The likes of Junior Stanislas and Zavon Hines were given their debuts. The duo and first team youngsters Jack Collison and James Tomkins all scored their first goals for the club. In April 2009, Zola signed a contract that could have kept him at Upton Park until 2013.[19] West Ham struggled in the 2009–10 season. Zola's position as manager was put in doubt when he revealed he had not been consulted over a bid for West Bromwich Albion player Graham Dorrans and by chairman David Sullivan's announcement that the entire squad was for sale except for midfielder Scott Parker. West Ham finished in 17th place, only five points above the relegation places.[20] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shocking decision by Cortese and one which I believe could see us staying in League One another season. I am extremely disappointed because (a) I liked AP and his style of football and (b) because it shows up a very large crack in the unity at the club. I do think that sacking him after a 4-0 win could be considered as "best timing" as it leaves the playing squad believing in themselves rather than focussing on negatives. However, I think we will likely lose on Tuesday now, but this will not be seen as a big negative by NC as it's promotion he craves - it is his sole business focus for financial reasons. Regarding the above outtake from Wiki I've posted, the key part for me is the bit highlighted in red. I think AP was telling NC that the key types of players needed to get out of L1 were not available in the youth ranks, but the key strategy of the club is to promote from within - hence the lack of transfer activity. If AP had said "well forget about promotion this season without the players to do it" then NC only had one decision to make perhaps? I think there's an 70-80% certainty that Zola is in the frame - all the boxes are ticked for him (including the supposed sighting in Soton recently). Whether the new manager will do a better job remains to be seen, however my fear is whoever gets the job will also be sacked if he is failing at Xmas. Then its same old, same old instability at Saints ad infinitum.

Yeah, that's my feeling also. He has all the right qualities - just needs to hone them to his (and the teams) best advantage. Getting to the byline a bit more would be nice also.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

Absolutely terrible result...how AP could allow the team to settle for 4-0 is beyond me...I hope those boo boys had a good loud boo at the team throughout the entire game. Or then again...perhaps we ARE promotion candidates after all? Perhaps AP is a fantastic Manager that will get us promoted? Perhaps we have got a superb L1 team to be proud of? Mmmm...happy times indeed. COYS!

Ah, you may be correct, but you just have and in typically fashion I might add. If you or anyone else thinks my proposition makes no sense then say so and back the assertion up with a reason. I would welcome the exchange providing the thread is not hijacked by the usual bickering and name calling. And I honestly believe that my comments are of some value to the OP otherwise as a non-prolific poster, I would not have bothered in the first place TBF.