Saint Fan CaM

Can't honestly see this happening. We're still L1 - we'll be lucky to attract Antonio back to the club. But hey, who knows - we got Keegan once upon a time.

Well having read one page of retort's to Alpine's post, I think I can risk not reading the remainder of the thread to say simply - NAH.

I guess thats why one of the 1st decisions made by the new regime was to ensure all 'freeloaders' (from the corporate area) had to pay to see a game?

Can anyone be sure that it is actually Cortese that has made this decision? Perhaps in an advanced grown-up management sort of way, he has given one of his senior managers ultimate responsibility for the deployment of ticketing policy and practice. Perhaps he is just being a strong Executive by standing by his managers decision? Have we seen any direct quotes from Cortese in terms of the decision? Not excusing the decision, but why is it that there are some people seemingly intent on bringing Cortese (our best CEO in decades) into disrepute for a relatively small matter in the grander scheme?

Please do not tell me what I do or do not think. Can we see the list that shows four figure numbers of Saints fans that have been affected to the point that they cannot purchase their ticket at no extra cost to published prices please? I'll not be holding my breath. Not seen any lies - just poor communication in the light of the Charter not applying beyond last season. Mountain and molehill spring to mind TBH.

Well one persons tedium is anothers persons valid viewpoint I suppose. Balanced views are what makes for a rich and diverse world. It's the abuse that generates that is difficult to stomach - wouldn't you agree? :cool:

I do agree with this in fairness. I was not aware the Charter had effectively been amended and this is the biggest disappointment for me with regards to on-going supporter relations. However, in the grand scheme of things, do I care about this more than I do about the players signed and the results next season? Simple answer is "no".

At last we agree Stu. There are plenty of other options which do not carry cost to the club, but which require individuals to arrange. There is no excuse!

At last, some common sense!

If your 'scheme' is totally independant of the club - i.e. the club have nothing to do with the scheme and no liability to costs - why can't these fans just go get on a similar credit scheme independantly??? If it is because they do not have the money to do so, then they should not be applying for credit in the 1st place surely? IF there was any kind of link between the club and Zebra or whoever, then there will be administration costs to the club at least.

Steve, I accept that there are a small minority of people that are affected adversely by the decision. That's life and it's tough, but as you and other's have pointed out the credit crunch has affected many organisations and individuals and action is often painful for someone in the food chain. In terms of the 40% you quote, I could argue then that 60% affected by the club's decision could therefore be eligible for a credit card?! The clubs decision to remove the 0% installments was based clearly on last seasons costs (I've heard £40-£50k mentioned). I do agree that perhaps the club could have looked at other options, however do we really think that Nicola (a highly respected financier handling £millions) has not given all reasonable thought to the matter? Even taking up the option of an independant credit company (if there is one available) will cost the club something in administration I would suspect - if that's say £10k/year for example and that's what's needed to balance the books, then it's a cost worth saving if the club is being run within it's means. Or perhaps NC should sack a junior groundsman instead?

An excellent balanced post. I would take issue with just one small part however - do we really know that a sizeable section of the fanbase are actually very concerned about the change in credit arrangements? As an example, I have always used the option of installments, but have also had the foresight to save early so I can still pay up-front. That's called taking responsibility. If I had not done this, then yes I would be a bit miffed that the club had taken away the option, but could only really blame MYSELF for relying on the good-will of the club. In summary, I think there are more people like me than those who are left without any method of payment. Fans just need to adjust and it will take some longer than others I guess (particularly those that are a little prone to hysterics on here! lol).

And this is person who expects all other posters to debate matters in a civil manner?!?! Not sure why you feel the need to get personal, however I think a look in the mirror would be wise before accusing others of the above - after you've wiped the spittle off it of course. If you have the funds to pay up front why don't you? Is it because you feel you need to make a point about something to big yourself up on an internet forum? Do you want to form an army of protestors to storm SMS? Err, what exactly is your plan - not attend games in protest? The most economic option is not to buy any ticket thus not spend any money. I don't actually believe there are too many that will exercise that option frankly and even the low % disgruntled now will be flocking back when we win the league, because that's the nature of the things.

There - fixed it for you.

This debate has been going on for a week now. In this time an application for a 0% credit card would have been accepted and processed. I suspect a large proportion of the people affected by the change in credit plans by the club would be OK getting approval on a card and there's still plenty of time to get an ST. If you don't think you would get approval for credit, why do you think the club should fund a credit risk for a very small minority of fans? It strikes me that there are some people who expect everything in life to be gifted to them on a plate without taking any responsibility. Even if that analysis is considered harsh, just take it on the chin like men and next season start saving early for the following season - i.e. start putting £60-£70/month away in Oct./Nov./Feb./Mar./Apr./May - miss out Xmas period.

OK, so what you're saying is... stop f-ing complaining, b1tching and moaning about the club, because people need to take responsible control of their own finances and just need to find other credit options in the expectation that this season is going to be even better than last season? Surely it's not that simple is it?

Wonder if this year they'll take the time to dig up the Pimpley shirt from under the centre circle and the Pimpley goalie gloves allegedly buried under the goal mouth in front the Northam? Nah, I didn't believe that b0ll0x either.

You must be one of the lucky ones because I've not seen this years charter yet. Don't shout too loudly - everyone will want one. You are privelaged and clearly the club loves you. LMFAO.

Another pointless, stupid thread.

You're either a massive WUM or a complete and utter dipstick. Or both. You and anyone who agrees with your deluded POV don't deserve a decent football club to support. You'll not be crying like a girl on here when we gain auto promotion eh? No, you'll be the best supporter ever then.

Haha. I had the same vision when I saw the OP title. Was imagining the groundsmen painting running track lines around the pitch! lol

Fair play...mixed him with someone else. Still, a pretty good acquisition it would seem.

Wow. Another steal from future ccc competitor. Better than Barnie?

This guy must have something about him? Just had a season in L2 with Bury. http://www.givemefootball.com/transfer-details?player=18460&playerID=9459

I believe it's in the region of £1200 per match?