Saint Fan CaM

Chicken & egg alert... fixed it for you.

Why is this a LOL thread? You're agreeing with what I was suggesting in my original post. Why do you find it necessary to tar everyone with the same brush to make a your point? Most posters on this thread are advocating that Wotte makes no change!

This week will see whether Wotte really is going to make a difference. He has a big important decision to make regarding team selection. Cardiff are not going to be the same team as Preston - they will bully us more. It is imperative that Wotte gets his team selection spot-on, but this has to mean that Euell and Saga start up-front in a 4-4-2 or 4-1-2-1-2 formation. Preferably he will not change things atall, as consistency will mean a lot to the team also IMO. Agree?

I cannot complain about ANY performance today. Even McGoldrick worked his socks off for the team. Outstanding performance medals go to... Saga, Size and particularly Euell who I thought not only made the ultimate difference to the front line, did everything he could to gee the players and act like a real leader. Excellent hard working display though from all of them. As far as Wotte is concerned - he will earn his credit in my eyes when he chooses the same team for next weeks game and gets another win under his belt. Then I might actually start to believe he has something to offer this club. And my hope will return.

Please do that next week - thanks.

When will the diatribe start to focus on RESULTS and the CORPORATE STRUCTURE of the club. Forget Lowe - his day is done now...he is a spent force and its only a matter of time. The BIG question is not who will replace him but HOW. This means concentrating on dissolving the PLC - absolutely essential to ensure the right corporate structure is in place post-Lowe and the right people are in place (i.e. not the present incumbents) to attract new investment rather than limply prop-up a failed experiment. Frankly, I expect the club to be financially sick for quite sometime, but one thing is for sure - if the PLC structure remains new investment will not come into the club. If this club is EVER going to survive and repair itself (let alone get back to the top flight), THIS must be the numero uno priority. Sorry if that is a tough call for all the shareholders that post on here, but hey that's the risk and you really should have sold when Lowe's master plan looked like going tits-up months ago. I did.

First time I've bothered reading the article today and I am totally shocked at how explicit Wotte has been in his condemnation of the supporters that provide his wages. And that's in the face of what can only be described as a wholly incompetent performance. Is he really as crass and stupid as THAT!!!! No wonder he's getting f*ck all from the players...his managerial skills must have been honed in a kindergarten FFS.

But don't you wish we could go along to a game with some hope? I do. I turn up expecting us to lose - I really wish I didn't feel that way, but that's what Lowe has delivered for years now - low expectations. And even if we scrape a win, I am wondering whether that will actually make me feel better. If we win today and then again at the next game, perhaps then I might start to believe again and re-gain some hope.

I foresee 0-0 until 8 minutes from half-time. They will then score as we switch off thinking about tea and biscuits in the changing room at half-time. We will all sit there as they come out for the 2nd half thinking "hey, perhaps we can get a lucky one and get out of this"...but no, Saints manage to wrestle despair from the jaws of defeat and allow another one on one with Kelvin, but after pulling off his 7th world-class save this time they get through to score a 2nd. We then step-up a gear for the final 35 minutes but they shut-up shop knowing full well that the game is won. The 2nd half performance provides Wotte with his usual post match commentary (b*ll*cks) stating that we were the best team, playing the best football and he cannot understand why we lost. There are boos and singing of "you don't know wotte you're doing" and mass demonstration outside reception. We all go home, come on here and spit bile for 2 hours before going to bed. Not sure why I am going to be honest - it really will be something like that. Its a bit like buying a McDonalds - you're hungry, but you know deep down that you're not going to be truly satisfied with the experience and inside it ain't doing you too much good! But you stuff it down anyway. COYR!

Where does one start to write a few words when an essay of discontent would be apt? Last year I bought my ST (early) and was looking forward to seeing Pearson carry on the fight. I even resigned myself to Lowe coming back into the fray. However, after the PLC had taken my money, Lowe got rid of Pearson and then started dismantling the team. He then appointed the two Dutch tW&ts. Why in the name of all things sacred should I trust Lowe again? Why should I forgive him for ruining my football club and fleecing me of nearly £400 effectively lying about what I was paying for? Never again - sooner this goon (Wilde and Wotte) are gone for good the better.

If you mean could he make a decision to risk staying up rather than take the -10 now, then yes, I think that could happen. He may think that winning a couple of games would bring enough punters in to keep admin at bay.

Gotta say, you cannot help but empathise with this point of view. The thing is, none of us would wish for failure for the club and if we were doing reasonably ok, there would be few complaints. The trouble is, its not like that is it? The club is in a terrible, terrible mess. Lowe's promised recovery has not only stalled, its driven us deeper into the mire. Like him or loath him, Lowe has proven once again to be an utter disaster for this club and the evidence is there for all to see.

For pussies - I've got a great madras paste that takes a lot of beating!

I suspect there were a good number that weren't all Saints fans also. :cool:

Duncan - We all have a right to an opinion - we also all have a right to state fact (if brave enough to do so), but we need to be careful not to mix the two in a manner that might be misconstrued. Especially if you claim the knowledge has come from an impeccable source. I consider what you have said above to be a little misleading when you then suggest it will result in "the end of SFC" - there is NO evidence (as you then seem to readily agree) that the end of SFC will happen IF the PLC is dissolved. IMHO.

Fixed it for you... (Anyone with shares of course will argue against administration - or indeed plant scare stories telling how bad administration will be. Not being critical - if I hadn't of dumped my shares at 60p I would probably be saying the same thing!)

I think you will find no-one will give out that kind of information. Otherwise watch the share price crumble away as shareholders try to sell at 16p to beat the guillotine. Shortly followed by an investigation into who leaked what and when.

Wot he said.

Well if that's the case, surely your comments are more than a little misleading, unless someone with extremely close links to an administrator has told you categorically that SFC will die. Administration often comes about through lack of cash-flow to service all finance streams - not necessarily due to lack of business as such, although clearly there are close links. Sure, there would need to be a complete re-assessment of the financial state of the company, however many of the adverse financial aspects for the company would be dramatically altered I would imagine - e.g. player contracts terminating? And anyway, I would suspect that once the diverse shareholding that exists due to the PLC is broken up, there will be more than one potential buyer to take-over the club. If that buyer is not Lowe or Wilde, I think cash-flow will cease to be a problem. I have seen many cases where corporate change is resisted because the stakeholders are scared to take a 'leap of faith' into the unknown. But if survival is dependent on change then we should embrace it and not fear it. IMHO.

Completely different set of circumstances. For the MUFC game SMS was rammed because a few 1,000 plastic MUFC 'fans' fancied seeing 'their' team. Many Saints fans preferred to stay at home, watch on the telly and save themselves an awful lot of money to see us get stuffed. And you know it!

Still think it will not actually happen - if it does, still think it will not mean the end of SFC.

I would not be surprised if between 2,000 and 4,000 supporters at least came back to SMS if Lowe and Wilde were gone and there was renewed hope with a new owner and proper game plan for the club. I think you are not appreciating the wide extent of support for SFC - i.e. the football club. Evidence? Look at SMS last game of last season - it was rammed.

I don't doubt your source(s) Duncan, however I would like some clarification regarding your assertion that SFC will go under. Surely it will be SLH PLC that will take the brunt of the fall? That surely is one reason for setting the corporate structure out in this manner? And the stadium is also protected as such by the PLC? I do not pretend to be an expert in these matters, but I find it hard to believe that administration for the PLC means SFC Ltd or SMS Ltd will be dissolved as a result. The administrator will be able to see that there is a high level of customer support and something will be worked out whereby Lowe and Wilde will not be involved so 1,000's will come flooding back. :smt115

Nor me. I'm sick of this guy already.:mad: