Saint Fan CaM

I understand what you are saying, however its not as easy as that - with a fragmented shareholding the present incumbents do not HAVE to sell! This means that even the most ardent buyer will have a problem trying to buy - unless you're Paul Allen and make a hostile bid (but that isn't going to happen to a bottom of the CCC team).

Not if the new owner(s) get the Stadium at a preferential cost that factors in those repayments. Let's face it, the value of the Stadium in its own right must be close to rock bottom at the moment, so I cannot see a decent offer being turned down in the event of the SLH going into admin.

The problem is Nick we need investment to move on and this will not happen while PLC status exists. We need to deconstruct PLC status and then when 'a party' comes in to buy the club (assuming its not Lowe or Wilde), we as supporters can unite again under the new leadership and flood back through the gates. THAT's what we should be hoping for and THAT's the commitment as supporters we should be declaring publicly. IMHO of course.

I concur with this. There is no reason to fear administration - change can be very good if managed properly. This is not the club I supported as a boy - I want to see it return - but that will not happen with Lowe/Wilde at the helm.

Look - for all of you that want a better future, please realise that it will not come unless SLH PLC is deconstructed. That means administration. To obtain administration does not mean giving up supporting the team - quite the opposite actually, as it will bring new life to the club. In fact, it probably does not mean staying away permanently - it just means delaying buying an ST until later. When I bought my ST last year it was with a little hope that Pearson would be able to carry on his work of rebuilding the team and the club as a whole. We still had the likes of Rasiak, John and Davies. I say again - we had some hope and some direction and it did not matter that Lowe was back. So I bought my ST early, but then of course very soon found out that my faith in the club had been in vain, as with Pearson and all the players that scored the goals gone, I had been royally shafted by Lowe and Wilde. I am not going to be shafted again by these poor examples of failed businessmen. I will not be renewing my ST until AFTER March Madness/Early Bird and if that has not produced some form of change at the club, then I will not renew atall. After all, I am the customer and the customer is ALWAYS KING!

Saints is the only team that I would put money on to go down right now - but I will not because (a) I would never bet against my team and ... (b) all bookies think that way and the odds are rubbish.

Whether you mean to or not, I think you are overstating the risk. There are plenty of examples of clubs entering administration and surviving. I truly believe that there are enough 'concerned individuals' that would buy the club (more than likely as a collective of some sort). A football club is different to the likes of Woolies etc. - the customer base is always going to be there to buy the product if its value is high - i.e. value = some semblance of success and hope that better days are ahead (the stuff we've lost). So sorry, I also truly believe that supporters will come flooding back to support the RIGHT regime - just like they did on the last day of last season against Sheffield Utd. The ONE big reason why this club is on its knees financially (Prem is dim and distant) is the PLC status and the fact that the shareholding is so fragmented no-one in their right minds will invest. Change the PLC status and you have a little hope where there is none now, thanks to Lowe's legacy. Administration is (sadly) the only way forward IMO and I urge all ST holders to withold renewal until July to start the revolution.

Well Davis has done time and time again on the field of play - pity none of the other players read the script. Not that I blame the players actually - I think its all down to **** poor management and coaching.

Wotte did we all expect??? We all knew this guy was no better than his dumb dutch friend JP. We HAD to know that another Lowe appointment was going to be sh1t, because Lowes reputation for picking cra p managers (or sacking/disagreeing with the better ones) precedes him FFS! Listen - there's only one way to end this nonsense - BOYCOTT ST renewal. Let's finally be rid of these clowns... it has gone far enough now.

I started a similar thread recently on this very topic - http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=9584 You have managed to set-out the idea very well, although frankly trying to get groups A + B together is going to be tough and a concerted effort is not in the nature of this fragmented club now. The key to this subject IMO is slightly different to yours of getting Lowe and Wilde out (although that would happen as a result). For example, I would not care that Lowe and Wilde were in power IF the strategies were working...IF the PLC status was going to attract investment. It is these two essential issues that need to be resolved. And the ONLY way they will be resolved now at this late stage is for SLH to enter administration - this will end the PLC and effectively end an era of extremely poor governance (by Lowe and Wilde). It will be risky - there are no guarantees - but once done, it will be exciting once again and a new team will be worthy of support (because they will NEED our support to succeed). The process can be started as you suggest by ST holders not renewing until late June/July. It will take balls of steel from all ST holders to do this and the aftermath will not be pretty, but drastic surgery is now needed - protests, marches, banners etc are not going to change things this time IMO, as Lowe and Co are entrenched. I'm reminded of nature and how natural fires cleanse the ground and allow new green shoots to grow. RISE UP ST HOLDERS! Let's start the real revolution at SFC - let's rid ourselves of the structure that has brought this once great club to its knees. Let's provide the opportunity for new hope to sweep through the club, for if we don't we will surely see the death of the club anyway in the not too distant future.

Sorry mate - can't agree with that. If he's a coach then I would expect him to be more involved with direct instruction - not just shout at players! As I say - its no critique of Killer as a player - just that his coaching contribution (whatever that is) is not improving the team. Mind you as an attacking midfielder, I was always taught that I was the first line of defence - not so sure some of our players get this.

Its not all doom and gloom at Ashton Gate according to Will Cope on Radio H. Well f&ck me - I am so glad about that - everything is actually very rosey...we're going to storm this one. Oh.

Good luck....

Nothing to do with a fancy title - he's been given licence to make a difference in training with the squad and I would hope that means working on defensive duties (as he's one of the best defenders to have pulled on a Saints shirt you'll agree). He has not made a difference - still making the same basic mistakes - but that may not be his fault as it's probably the material he's working with. Simple really.

Please Saints - put one in before half-time....please!

Euell hits post - and then puts rebound over the bar!

Will not be listening to the 2nd half - just can't take it anymore.

What the hell does Wotte do in training with these guys? Killer has not made the slightest difference to our rubbish defence.

ALWAYS just before half-time - they switch off - gift another goal.

We are f*cked - well and truly f*cked!

Come on Saints - what the hell have Donny got that we haven'y FFS!

The guy does not have a clue - on or off the field. Get some results pal and then perhaps someone might actually believe you know something about football worth knowing.

Your heart is in the right place SaintRobbie, but your 'solution' is too over-simplistic. There is a very good reason why the club has not been sold - its because of its PLC status (i.e. too many shareholders and split opinion). The PLC status will not change because of diverse and varied opinion, policy and strategy of the shareholders. At this stage of the game, there is sadly only one way out - close down the PLC by putting the club into administration. It will be the best thing to happen, although seemingly extreme, as it is the ONLY way we will be rid of Lowe and all his cronies and the Dutch experiment.

This season is dead. At the moment there is only one way this club is going and that is down. There are just too many adverse issues blighting the club - its like not being able to reverse out of a cul-de-sac. However, the current business climate provides an EXCELLENT opportunity to introduce a short-sharp-shock message to Lowe and Wilde in the form of a financial wake-up call. ST Holders are the key to the saviour of this club - boycott March Madness and this will have a huge impact on Lowe's position. Best case scenario is that Lowe resigns and someone comes in to stop the madness - it may or may not happen, but somebody has to step up to the plate to try to make a difference.

Can't understand how most peeps here think we'll be relegated and yet half that number think we should take administration early. If we're relegated, it will not be long after that the club will go into financial meltdown. Actually, that might happen anyway if March Madness is a disaster.