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Sign 'em Danno...

I can't believe I just read this thread...

Perhaps if Molyneux had some decent cover down the right wing he would not get so exposed. I remember there have been a number of defenders who have been criticised on here, only later to 'come good' as they bed into the team. Now I'm not one to argue for the Dutch revolution, but I think its a bit harsh giving this guy a hard time when he having to play under this failed system.

No - not about ST holders withholding March Madness.

Agree, but you could have bumped the previous thread which had a lot of valid points made in it surely? Anyway, we need a poll MODS. As a ST holder are you prepared to boycott March Madness as a demonstration against Lowe? Yes - No - Maybe

Ponty, I am not sure 'hatred for Lowe' properly reflects most fans feelings TBF. Its much more the case I believe that fans are simply sick and tired of poor mismanagement - of lost hope - of feeling like there's nothing left worth supporting. Lowe is just seen as the instigator of these feelings and that his final removal will be a start to re-uniting and re-building the club. IMHO.

To answer your four key points... a. Is Lowe not Wildes Stooge - or is it the other way round? b. So Lowe, Cowen and Jones know the beast do they? Well, if that's your pre-requisite for competency you can keep it as the EVIDENCE proves these clowns to know how to ruin a decent football club. There is NO sane rationale that might support them getting any more time in post. c. So once again, someone tries to re-write history by blaming the fans for clubs downfall. Pal - the club is screwed - its Lowes fault...totally. d. Increasingly bizarre what if scenarios? No, you've got it wrong pal...there's only one sensible scenario most fans want and that's Agent Lowe and Wilde's resignations, swiftly followed by tWottes.

Funny, thought we'd done this one before... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=9584

:D LOL - love it.

And here we are at St Mary's stadium once again. The Board have really put their money where their mouths are and invested wisely. Now their excellent long-time Manager, astutely selected by Chairman Rupert Lowe, has really got the lads playing one-touch exciting and penetrating football. There cannot be a single supporter in the Stadium today who does not believe that the club are on their way to great success and promotion. And the catering really is pretty good too.

Absolutely spot on Stanley - and may I add also, that Pearson was 'let go' AFTER ST holders had bought their tickets. I for one thought that Pearson was to keep his job and we would have a semblance of a settled squad and some potential stability. Oh no, Agent Lowe saw to it that the people that count (his loyal customers) were completely duped and hacked right off before the season even started!!!

How long do think Mike? I consider myself an objective type, but I really cannot understand how some can still defend Lowe's position.

Why are you so sure an offer would not have exceeded 27p? Why would none of the shareholders have sold at 27p+? (If they knew what we know now they probably would have done f'sure!). If there was a real offer of investment to take the club further, surely the majority shareholders would be glad to help the club move along. And what would stop an aggressive take-over if the right conditions were in place? Fact is that Agent Lowe did nothing and by doing nothing he did everything he could to discourage new investment, even making childish and stupid remarks along the lines of "£25m and its yours..."! He really talked the club up, eh - bit of a Ratner moment there don't you think? What a responsible chap our friend Agent Lowe is .... NOT!

What?! It has everything to do with the PLC Chairmans corporate responsibility and you know it. Agent Lowe has put himself before the club and the only way of disproving that is if someone comes on here and provides evidence (or at least some hard rumour ) of Lowe's attempt to sell the club to an investor. He has acted as a shareholder and NOT a responsible PLC Chairman - there's a huge difference. And before you say where's the contradictory evidence, its there for all to see - Lowe is still with us, he's still employing rubbish managers, we are broke at the foot of the CCC and about to be relegated! Get it?!

I would suggest that "*******" = absolutely spot on the money. Income gradually increased to record levels - why? Because 12,000 more bums were put on seats in SMS and ate food etc. Let's assume Lowe did all that he could to take the club to what was admittedly a high with Strachan as Manager - well done. What he then failed to do as Chairman of the PLC was to recognise that new funding was required to take the club further and the ONLY way that was going to happen was to sell the club. Unless someone can come up with some info that tells me otherwise, it is clear Lowe did nothing to attract new investment by finding a buyer when the club was at its most attractive. He protected his own shareholding and this was Agent Lowes single biggest failure. It is why he is so despised and also why he utterly deserves to lose his shares/control over the club when his 'master plan' finally goes belly up.

I have been pondering over this question. Could Agent Lowe have sold the club years ago when the stock value of the club was at its highest, thus protecting its future and ensuring investment when it needed to push on and improve its 'market standing'? Clearly this did not happen - but why not? Surely as PLC Chairman he had a corporate responsibility to improve the company results? He failed to act when the time was right. Can anyone remember if there were there any stories flying around about 10-12 years ago about Lowe selling the club? NB: I highly doubt it TBF because I feel sure Lowe has been in this purely for his own gain (e.g. as a shareholder) and has not exercised proper PLC corporate governance as Chairman.

This club is NEVER going to be sold under the current corporate arrangements - people need to understand this and how Lowe and Wilde are running things. So simply forget the club being bought - it ain't gonna happen (unless we enter administration and the shares are liquidated). Every single remaining ST holder has a duty to the club NOT to renew EARLY! Sure, buy your ST later if you feel the need, but ignoring the March Madness will send a MASSIVE message of discontent to Lowe, Wilde, all shareholders and most importantly the bank. It could be the turning point in finally sorting the club out before it completely dies at the hands of Lowe and Wilde. Remember, they're in it for their shares and the salaries they draw - they do not care about the traditions of the club one jot. Simple message - IF YOU LOVE SFC, DO SOMETHING POSITIVE AND DELAY RENEWAL OF YOUR ST!

Mmm, might not see so much of Mr Wilde at SMS in the coming months then? His cosying up to Agent Lowe now takes on a whole new meaning. Snouts in trough comes to mind.

Frank - see what you have written there (highlighted)? Why do you think this concept is something only the supporters should adopt? Do you not think that Lowe has had his chance to change tack? In fact, he's had plenty of chances - 11 if I'm not mistaken - and still he gets it wrong. I do not suscribe to the notion that all supporters are brain dead morons who don't understand the why's and wherefor's relating to the demise of SFC (and its not because Lowe is a 'toff' - its because his policies and strategies are rubbish). Yes there is a small minority that are idiotic thugs who can't control themselves on matchday, but it is a very small minority. Most supporters I think are very clear about what's going on and many have already turned their backs on the club and walked away. While Chairman of SLH, Lowe has had a corporate duty to ensure the best results for the business. This (like any other business) means that there are times when it is essential to invest to improve results and protect market standing. Lowe utterly failed to do this. He did not have to borrow huge amounts of money - in fact if he had the best interests of the company at heart he could have sold the club at the point its value was greatest to someone who would have put more money in. But NO - he chose to rule the roost - to maintain his little money stream. AND THAT my friend is the essence of his failure - he has chosen to feather his own nest (because he's a shareholder) in favour of proper corporate governance. How he's managed to get away with it for so long is a question I would like answered.

Far too sensible a post to be noticed it seems...

Great post - what he said.

Well done - another example of a truly dedicated supporter that puts the clubs future before himself.

Utter nonsense. IF Agent Lowe had managed to introduce his vision and it had of worked he would have got a lot of support and it would have silenced his critics. I actually believe the supporters have been tremendously generous actually of what has been a disastrous season so far, with ANOTHER sacked Manager (coach) for the squad to contend with - it has only been very recently when Wotte has proven he has nothing different to offer that the real unrest has started. Pearson inherited a mess of a squad - pulled together a team that eventually started performing and kept us in the CCC. Wotte has inherited a mess of a squad, but has done nothing different that I can see to achieve better results - NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Therefore, we can all expect to see loss after loss and relegation to L1. It's not rocket science!

Pathetic attempt to divert focus on the extremely poor performance put in (once again) by Agent Lowe and The Quisling. Fact is Agent Lowe had his disastrous plan hatching well before the last match of the season was played. Pearson did not even get a phone call from Agent Lowe...his contract was not renewed. Lets stick to what has actually happened eh? And the impending 2nd relegation in 6 years (after 27 year in the top flight) that is looming large thanks to Agent Lowes failed strategies.