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As several people have pointed out on several occasions, experience has proven this to be completely untrue. Which backs up the 'legalise it' argument entirely Which is clearly of no deterant what-so-ever to anyone who wants to abuse drugs. And having a taxable, government drug supply would pay for their rehabilitation 100 times over. We agree on something at least.

WTF?! Are you deliberately pretending to be thick so you don't have to counter my point? I'm not saying Lisboa isn't a sh*t hole. I'm sure you're right. It's probably an absolute dump, but what is it that makes you think this is down to the legalisation of drugs. I used to live in Amsterdam. Walked round it in the middle of the night a couple of times. Sat in the park drinking beer. Not once did I feel in any way under threat that some stoner might come and mug me. 'most everyone I saw was completely normal. Guess who the antisocial nutjobs were? That's right. British tourists. Perfectly put.

That's just plain wrong. It's been shown in every example I've seen that drug use has declined in countries where it is legal. Answer me this question honnestly: Have you EVER met ANYONE who had said, or implied, "I'd love to smoke weed/shoot up heroine/snort cocaine, but I'm not going to because it's illegal."

Marseille - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole Detroit - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole Portsmouth - drugs are illegal - Sh*t hole You cannot claim Lisboa is a sh*thole because everyone has been stoned off their tits for 10 years. According to this article, Lisboa has actually improved. Even so, they haven't really done it properly, the drugs are still sourced illegally even if usage is legal. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8106689.stm

So that would be two more who weren't detered by the fact that weed is illegal. Two more who gave tens of thousands of pounds to organised crime and yet never paid a penny of VAT. Here is your post with a few words changed: and again and again You can't just ban anything which has ever been abused. The key to it is in education. Making people not want to take drugs, regardless of whether they're legal or not. I can't really say this without disrespecting your friends, but they chose to smoke weed, knowing the risks and knowing it was illegal. To that extent they have no one to blame but themselves. I'm not going to patronise anyone who takes drugs. I know several people who smoke weed and they're smashing blokes. At the same time though, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them if they started suffering from the side effects. That's not to say we shouldn't help people rehabilitate themselves, but they have no right to blame society.

It does doesn't it. Shame it's nothing like what I just said. Nobody said anything about offering weaker drugs. We can offer the same stuff any street dealer does only CLEANER, ie. not cut with chalk, rat poison or whatever the feck else. As for pricing them out of it... what do you think they're paying for it at the moment. Lets say X amount of drug Y costs £5 to produce. A criminal gang would have to smuggle it around in tiny amounts in a condom shoved up their arse. As such it is very difficult to supply and they will charge £50 for it. We could sell it in shops for say £30 and take £25 in VAT from it.

So you agree then that having drugs illegal is in no way a deterant for people who choose to take them? These fecked up people, do you not feel they could benefit from drugs which weren't cut with rat poison and a completely free rehab clinic? We're not talking about giving stuff away free in packets of Corn Flakes. It would still be very expensive, it's just that the cash goes into society by way of taxes instead of criminal gangs.

Two key differences: 1. With drug usage, the only victim is the user. If you're only actually harming yourself, I fail to see why it should be a criminal offence. I don't give a rats arse what you take, it's your health. 2. If crimes like theft or even murder were legalised, rates would go up massively. Struggling to pay the council tax? Just wander into Dixons and take a couple of DVD players. Wife run off with the milkman? Just bash his head in with a cricket bat. It's a completely different kettle of fish. Legalise drugs - Massive boost to the government budget and thousands of lives are saved through clean drugs and rehab programmes Legalis drink driving - Thousands of innocent people are killed by drunk halfwits getting behind a wheel then walking out of hospital without prosecution. Don't pretend you can't see the difference. I personally think it's the same with legalised prostitution. Not the illegal 'white slave trade' that's completely unethical, but the legalised systems they have in Amsterdam. As far as I can see, that 'crime' is completely victimless. Girls get massive amounts of cash, ugly old b*stards get their end away with a woman young enough to be their daughter.

They do that anyway. FWIW I think prostitution should be legalised for a lot of the same reasons as drugs. I'm not an idealist. I don't think this would completely wipe out organised crime. Just that which is based around drug smuggling. Which is a lot.

Marlon Harewood is f**k ugly.

Which just proves why criminalising drug use doesn't work. People STILL end up taking them. It's not a question of the government just handing out drugs to everyone and saying, "here, try some of this, it's great". People will use drugs regardless, so the best we can do is: 1. Educate young people as best we can as to the effects of drugs. If they still chose to take them when they're old enough, then more fool them. 2. Ensure the supply is clean ethical. I know the idea of 'Fair Trade' opium may seem silly, but you get the idea. 3. Offer free rehabilitation to anyone with drug abuse issues. The tax from drugs would cover the cost 100 times over. 4. Practically wipe out organised crime based around drug smuggling. So many criminal organisations would have their feet swiped from under them without drug money.

I'd argue there is feck all correlation between legalisation of drugs and actual usage of drugs. I'm pretty sure the proportion of drug users in Holland is no higher than the European average. Infact it's actually less than countries such as the UK and France. These are two things I have never seen/heard/read sensationalist news stories about: - People who would be heroine addicts, but aren't because it's pwopa nawty and they don't want to break the law. - People sticking their head into a garden shredder just because garden shredders are a legal substance. Put simply, I don't think the law is a deterant. If people want to do drugs, they will. Conversely, people wont do stuff just because it's legal.

Legalise ALL drugs, then tax the feck out of it. Simple.

I'm actually embarassed that we've got this thread on here. Please can we delete it before other fans find it and take the p*ss.

Now that Osama is dead and Mladic is behind bars, I don't think it's actually possible.

It's brilliant. 14 players, including 2 youth players, 2 geriatrics and 2 more who are definitely leaving. Not to mention Ben Haim, who I'm fairly sure can't play for them because they can't afford his appearance bonus. Still, I'm sure the other 7 players are perfectly capable.

Went from bottom of the form table to 13th IIRC. Not quite sure what you were expecting, but I'd consider that a pretty good return considering he had no money to spend.

Saints came out of a sewar smelling of roses 2 years ago, but it in no way justifies any of the mismanagement which went on before. Walk in to the boardroom of any company and say, "Hey, let's run this company out of business, then maybe a Swiss billionaire will take pity on us." What makes you think we'd be a midtable League 1 club? We probably still would have gone into admin, but if we weren't relegated we would have been in a massively improved situation. For a start the 10 point penalty would have been taken at the end of the 08/09 season, so even if that did relegate us we'd still have started our first season on 0 points instead of -10. Net result? I reckon we would have been promoted last season instead of this season. All hypothetical, we will never know for sure, but to suggest Markus and Nicola saving us justifies Lowe's horror show in some way is absurd.

Yeah me too. It's like the just said, "let's get Rik Mayall just being Rik Mayall and that'll do."

Can't see why Mills would want to come back to Saints and if he did we'd have to pay through the nose for him. Antonio is a good shout though, I'd take him back. I know he hasn't done it for Reading this season, but Chaplow wasn't doing it for PNE either. Reckon we could get Howard if we tried too.

Lewis Hamilton overtakes Timo Glock on at the last corner on the last lap of the last races of the season to win the World Drivers Championship in 2008

Typical Saints fans. No disappointment for us this year, so we go looking on the playoff losers' forum to feed our cravings. Wow, that Oldham fan is a pr1ck though. I'd have expected sh*t from teams like Leeds, Weds, Blades and Bradford more than anything.

Think Posh will be fighting Pompey for that wooden spoon next season. More so if CMS gets a big offer from somewhere else. Good for Saints, but very harsh on the Udders.

Such a shame, that would have been a great end to the race. I would even have taken Alonso winning if it stopped Vettel.

No. The boasting from the plastics will just be endless, not to mention the endless media masturbation. Christ almighty, I hope Rooney doesn't score the winning goal.