badgerx16

Stop being PDnTic

I suggest you do some digging into the planning for Local Government finances for the next 3 or 4 years.

Given the allegations concerning how their supply chain is constructed to ensure purchases of their principal product's ingredients are ultimately sourced from offshore, I doubt their net contribution amounts to much.

Chap on R4 yesterday reckoned that over £10bn tax is lost through tax avoidance schemes each year.

Nah - Pap's in the south.

I was under the impression that you had started expanding the scope of a thread about the alleged design flaws of the Astute class to include other RN sub classes - Trafalgar, Vanguard, and Upholder. I simply extrapolated the timeline.

If you go back far enough you'll find the WW1 K class, which took over 5 minutes to dive, ( as the funnels had to be lowered and the boilers damped down ), and in their entire war service sank no enemy ships, yet cost the lives of several hundred crewmen. http://brisray.com/misc/mkclass1.htm

Why set the bar so high ? Is it that an organisation whose 'Head of State', ordained by God, is Queen Elizabeth II, is at heart still holding the female gender responsible for 'original sin' ?

Despite getting a majority vote in all 3 houses - go figure.

But is this the case because it is a military tribunal rather than a civilian one ?

Here he is arriving :

Just listened on I-Player to an adaptation of 'On the Beach' by Nevil Shute. Very poignant, and the end of the world kicks off with war in the Middle East :-(

What right do a load of Germans, Hungarians, and Russians have to land that has been settled by the Palestinians for hundreds, if not thousands, of years ?

This

The best way to avoid an argument is to not go looking for one.

Alan Hansen : "Southampton were absolutely brilliant".

I know it's pedantic but that's twice I've tried to make the same points. Again, if you read the BBC story from earlier this week it states that the 1993 proposal for a 2-state solution in the West Bank is what the Israelis are currently wanting to put back on the table in exchange for the Palestinians withdrawing their application for 'non-member' status at the UN. The image I cut and pasted was directly from the BBC news report.

There you go again : Point 1 : an allusion to a possible historical perspective, harking back to possible Israeli motives for their 'aggression' towards their neighbours. A point discussed by several posters on this thread. Point 2: A query regarding CURRENT israeli political motives, potential aggressive acts to interfere directly in the government of a neighbour, and the viabiity of what the Israelis are CURRENTLY proposing as a 2-state solution. ( I get the feeling I'm beginning to repeat myself ).

How is a news story from the BBC. dated 14th November 2012, irrelevant to today ?

You have conflated 2 things, but neither is 'random' nor 'dredged off Wiki', ( it is dredged off the BBC news site ) : (1) the lebensraum comment was a reflection on earlier allusions to the Holocaust, and prompted by your line "The Israelis think they can steal the homes and land of others because you need a bit more space." (2) the 1993 idea, the Oslo accord for a 2-party state, is exactly what the Israelis are proposing NOW ! ( From the linked BBC report : "The Palestinian state would be based in Area A of the West Bank, where Palestinians would have control over security and civilian matters, and Area B, where Palestinians would have control over civilian issues alone." )

Go ahead.

No - the lebensraum comment was ironic. It refers back to the point raised earlier concerning the possibility that the Israelis may have learned a thing or two from the Holocaust.

Does a state have the right to publicly declare that should one of it's neighbours be granted 'non-member' status at the UN it will take action to remove the leader of that neighbour and destabilise it's government ? ( "However, Mr Lieberman was quoted last week by Israeli Channel 10 TV as saying he would ensure that the Palestinian Authority "collapses" if its unilateral UN bid went ahead." Avigdor Lieberman is the Israei Foreign Minister http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20322405 ) As for the two-party state, how manageable does the West Bank look under the proposals on the table ?

Lebensraum ?