DuncanRG

I think it translates very strongly on the pitch, but not in a good way. They're nervous and sometimes afraid.

Hear hear. The idea that we can stop treating players as human because they make loads of money hurts everyone in the end.

You know your club's in trouble when you've got pros like Gareth Barry getting caught up in nonsense like this. Good opportunity to progress.

Why on earth would they have a fan panel to discuss on-pitch subjects? Imagine the fun we'd poke at West Ham if they did that.

Nothing says 'I'm not sure if I want to sign this player' like offering another club millions of pounds to sign that player.

I agree that it's unhelpful to demonise older people, who have worked hard and followed the paths put before them by government policy. But a couple of points of fact: 1. The biggest single reason for growing demand on the NHS is people living longer and therefore spending more years in need of care. That comes before immigration, which I suspect you're alluding to. Old age has everything to do with population growth. 2. One of the main reasons housing demand exceeds supply is that older generations were allowed to buy their council houses. Some made enough money from sitting on a house in a valuable area that they could afford to buy a second and become landlords, making the problem even worse. On the subject of the thread, it may seem useful now to give greater weight to young voters but the pendulum will swing the other way eventually. What happens if old people get screwed by policy in 40 years' time and their votes don't count enough to change it? More important is to persuade people of all ages to look beyond self-interest, or at least show how helping young people will help them in the end. If we sent the 10 per cent to uni they'd be the richest 10 per cent, speaking very generally, so I'm not sure that's any fairer to disadvantaged kids. As has been said, the priority should be providing avenues for people of all backgrounds and helping them get there, whether it's university, an apprenticeship or something else. I'm middle class and I'd have been looked down upon if I didn't go to university, but my trade shouldn't need a degree.

Double post

After a ticket if anyone's got one going. Managed to convince myself I'd bought one when I hadn't!

Lost it at this, take a bow

Yes, we did intend to buy Promes. We'll buy him in the summer, provided we stay up.

I'd much rather have a break in December so there's football to liven up January. Maybe come back on Boxing Day.

They placed bets on Adkins' departure when he'd already been sacked? Or they were betting on the announcement date? I don't follow.

I'm delighted you're in a minority of football supporters, and a dwindling one at that.

I don't hate any of them. It's funny when Lovren and Van Dijk cock things up, though.

And we should note that he applauded the fans several times after the talking to from Hoedt.

I’m just glad Liverpool don’t have many big players at set pieces. West Brom had so many that Tadic was marking Rondon.

Call me crazy, but I think it may be a bit premature to judge a corporate takeover on 20 football matches.

The Times gives us a 9/10 chance of getting Promes and says we want a centre back.

I thought the tempo was dropping for a while before the change, which exacerbated that problem even if it solved the one posed by Okaka.

Agreed

I do recall similar comments about Lovren from some quarters. Let's wait and see

Obafemi's one of the four training pictures the club chose to put on an Instagram post.

If that were the case we wouldn't be in talks. He's clearly open to a move.

It does need stressing that Pellegrino is not in full control of transfers. He may have suggested Carrillo, and we assume he's part of the reason Carrillo's coming, but plenty of others will have needed to make their own judgements and sign off on the deal. Our managers have a veto on signings but can't force them through alone.

And Glen Murray likely to be out of sorts given he's just been arrested for tax fraud...