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The mighty Spurs and their mighty manager going down at home to Newcastle. Oh dear.

Ok Whelk, another inane question for you as my original issue with Hopkins seems to have been hijacked and taken off at a pointless tangent... My initial point was that why should moderate Mulsims who have nothing to do with the terrorists acts have to come out and apologise for those acts? Why also should Hopkins be the one that say that there arent enough public apologies from Islam about the atrocities? Do you think that the bloke over the road (who happens to be a peaceful Muslim) should come out and make a public apology for the Paris shootings? Does he have a responsibility for people who use his religion as an excuse to butcher people? Do you think the peace march in London the other weekend by Muslims meant anything or should we still fear all Muslims? How do you feel about Shaker Aamer who spent 14 years in captivity in Guantanamo Bay and is saying to extremists in Britain to "get the hell out" of Britain? Do we ignore him as him as another possible terrorist or do we listen to him as a moderate Muslim who despite having every reason to hate "The West" is coming out firmly against terrorists (probably still not enough for our Katie though). I don't know about you but I see plenty of Muslims coming out and saying not in my name. Doesn't stop Trump and the likes of Batman wanting to close the borders to them though even though they have done nothing wrong. Feel free to correct me Batman if you are happy to keep the borders open to peaceful Muslims.

I would say that they were a terrorist. I have no sympathy or time for anybody who takes innocent lives and have said that many times.

If you don't like my inane questions you are quite at liberty to ignore them. Yes I would agree with you that it would be blasphemous to say that you are the new son of God and I have no idea why she thought it was a good idea to say that. She didn't use any other reference to any other religions so I can only assume that has some meaning for her - perhaps something to do with her religious bent? If she is worried about the Christian culture fading why would that bother her if she didn't have some kind of interest in it not fading? Why would she want her daughter to experience it if there was nothing in it? I don't know if she is making it out to be a deep spiritual experience but she seemed to make a big deal about it when talking to Andrew Neill (she brought it up not him). It is not convenient for me to think she is. She made the references not me. If she comes out and says she isn't I wont lose any sleep over it trust me. Am I in the minority just because a couple of people with nothing better to do have a pop at me on the internet? What exactly is my minority? That I believe that the only Muslims that we need fear are the nutters with guns? Are you saying that we need to be fearful of those who are not terrorists as dear old Donald seems to be saying?

If you say so. I still think that if someone refers to themselves as "the new Jesus", makes a big deal on TV about taking her daughter to celebrate the birth of the son of God and spent 13 years in a convent school there is a very good chance that that person has more than an element of Christianity about them. Perhaps you are right though and perhaps the person who makes a big deal about "Telling It Like It Is" is a complete atheist and is just making a fuss about The Nativity because she wants her daughter to believe in Baby Jesus even if she doesn't. As I said before though, a bit hypercritical for someone whose USP is her honesty and her telling it like it isness.

So based on your sample of "many of your friends" we can assume that people who went to Catholic schools don't become Catholics and also renounce Christianity?

Boom boom! But that is the point isn't it? We are making chances but wasting them.

If they spent 13 years in a school that was based on Islam and if they took their daughter along to celebrate the birth of the Prophet I'd say that it was a good assumption that the person was a Muslim. No I don't think that anyone who has ever eaten an Easter egg is a Christian because chocolate has nothing to do with the death of Jesus. Celebrating the birth of the son of God is a bit more religious based than eating a bit of chocolate wouldn't you say?

I have no idea what you are implying Whelk. I also don't know what the problem in saying that normal everyday moderate Muslims are not an issue, but it seems to ruffle a few feathers here. Perhaps Donald Trump has a lot more supporters in the UK other than Katie Hopkins (and before you start again she is quoted as saying if he becomes President of the USA she will go and live there).

Sorry Whelk but you were going on about blasphemy when I was quoting someone else. I also made a not unreasonable point that just because someone does not see themselves as catholic it doesn't mean they are not Christian. So where are the errors there exactly?

I didn't say she was the new Jesus. She did.

I didn't said people who say they are Christian are not above committing serious crimes. How many of the clergy have been involved in kiddy fiddling or am I making that up to. Do you agree that people no matter what religion they are are capable of committing serious crimes, or is it just Muslims?

Correct me if I am wrong but you don't have to be Catholic to be Christian. Also by celebrating the birth of Christ doesn't that kind of make you a follower? And if Katite Hopkins doesn't want to be thought of as a Christian perhaps best not describe yourself as the new Jesus. Isn't it also a tad hypocritical to make a big deal about celebrAting the son of god if you don't believe in it?

Given that the "bedwetters" wrote off last season before we had kicked a ball I am more than happy to be "delusional."

A number of players with good pedigrees take a while to settle into the Premiership but why not just write the bloke off after 6 games and a bad injury?

Here's a couple for you Batman. Are you a Christian and how do you define a Christian?

You seem to be making assumptions yourself Batman. What do you think? Raised in a convent. Takes her daughter to a Nativity play. Calls herself the new Jesus. No you are right. She is probably a Buddhist. Not been a good weekend for you though has it? What with not being able to slag off Pelle.

Here is a quote for you Batman. "Jesus had followers. I have 600,000 followers on Twitter. It is about leading the way. There will be a lot of Judases among you but I accept that. I welcome Judas into my heart. I am the new Jesus." Tell me, can you get any more Christian than being the new Jesus??? She was also raised in a private convent school from 3 to 16 so that will give you a pretty good idea as to her religious background.

Did she say "I am a Muslim?" Did she say "I am a Hindu? She made a big deal about taking her daughter to a Nativity play. That I believe is part and parcel of the Christian belief system, as is Christmas. I think it is a fair assumption that people bring their children up in the same religious traditions as they were brought up. Why would Hopkins make a big deal about taking her daughter to a Nativity play if she didn't want her to be part of the Christian festivities which would imply a certain sympathy towards Christianity wouldn't you say?

I am not implying it, I am stating it as a fact. She made a big point to Andrew Neill about how pleased she was to be taking her daughter to a Nativity play. Given her hard bigoted views I would find it odd that she would be so keen to take her daughter to be indoctrinated through a religious ceremony if she didn't believe in it. I could be wrong but that is not as it came across in the interview - unless she was just trying to make a point about still having the ability to do so at her daughters school, in which case why make a big deal about it if you don't believe in the religion? But then that is Hopkins for you.

I made the same point but got shot down.

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We are not a well run club? Seriously???

Out of the CL and beaten by Bournemouth with several ex players and pundits on his back...............

I have been a big critic of his but fair play, well deserved MotM today.