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I think every team can look at games where they could have done better but also there could be games where we should have lost but nicked it. I am sure Spuds are kicking themselves over not getting 4th spot. If we had bought another striker instead of Osvaldo who knows. If Boruc hadnt got injured. If Puncheon had stayed. Ifs and buts and all down to hindsight.

Perhaps it has a different connotation in Romania?

Sorry, havent meant to hijack this thread, it is just I have had some experience in this area and hope it helps a bit.

It is a very difficult area SO16. If you havent experienced it or had someone very close to you experience it it is difficult to get your head around. The people who have to deal with the aftermath (as per your Dad, relatives, friends etc) are also left with someawful stuff to deal with which, as you say, is why many consider it a selfish act. The thing is, if people were thinking rationally they would do it (well you'd hop not). In my case I had three little girls under 5 years old. In my head I "rationalised" that, as they were so young, they wouldn't miss me so much. My ex was pretty good at picking up men so I also "rationalised" that they would soon have another, maybe better, Dad. Breaks my heart to think back to those days but that gives you some kind of idea about what goes on in the head of someone who has lost the plot. I know is sounds like an easy way out but believe me, to get to that point in your life it is not easy at all. To get to that point you have to be really desparate.

Does he have a fit sister?

Thanks for adding this KRG. Good article. In The Priory they used to make a point of telling us that we were stonger than we thought we were. This on the basis that we had gone beyond the point where most people would just give up to the point where the wheels we well an truly off of the wagon and our systems could take no more. I was lucky enough to have insurance as The Priory doesnt come cheap and I received excellent support. A cousin of mine wasnt so lucky and, a number of years before I was ill, took her own life. We knew she had issues but didnt realise how bad things were. Spike Milligan suffered from depression and did Tony Hancock. A number of comedians seem to fall foul of this disease which makes it even stranger as you'd think they were having fun! Given the numbers you can be sure that many people on here are depressed (and I am not having a cheap pop at the so called bedwetters). This is an area that needs greater understanding (clearly Mr Brazil could do with some enlightenment) and it is good to see articles such as this being published.

I am Gardos and so is my wife.

Should add that having lots of possession makes people feel good because their team sees a lot more of the ball. If you dont put it in the net though it all counts for nothing - and that is something that Pochettino needs to sort out.

Sometimes you end up at the right place at the right time. Lawrie Mac did very well here but tried the same at Sunderland and came unstuck. Perhaps if they had given him more time it would have worked, we shall never know. We shall aso never know if he (Poch) could have taken us further but we will find out what he can do with Spuds. There is no doubt that he managed to get the best of of a number of players (not all though) and he did well in his one full season here. The fact remains though that he has yet to win anything. Talk to Fergie about potential and realising potential - Pochettino now has to deliver and he wont do that by playing weakened teams in FA cup matches

The Dell was a dump but you couldnt beat the atmosphere!

Hoddle seems to be saying he cant do it full time as he has other jobs so I expect that Bond and Jordan will sort the cones and the training bibs out for him.

What is the point of sport? It is something for us to do or watch to help pass the time in a hopefully pleasurable way until we shuffle off this mortal coil. If we stop getting pleasure from it for whatever reason (like people we have never met leaving and going somewhere else) then perhaps we should consider looking for pleasure elsewhere?

Is he though? He did seem to be a bit of a one trick pony and I did wonder how he would deal with more and more teams working out how to counter the high pressing game. His tactics worked well away from home but all too often we came unstuck at home against weaker opposition. Perhaps with better players in depth he will show us what he is made of. He did luck out when he came to us as the basis was already there. He without doubt built on that. Different situation at Spuds so will be very interested to see how he gets on there!

Indeed Minty. RWs death is no less tragic than any other person taking their own life - it is just that he is well known so it becomes a taking point. The issue here is about depression and how it doesnt seem to be recognised as a serious illness.

In which case it will be interesting to see Spuds win everything this year and Poch goes on to maange Argentina and win the world cup. We finished mid table and got dumped out of the cups yet the man is a footballing genious? Remind me again JRod about how much Poch has won in the game please.

Mates with Alan Brazil by any chance?

Some good stuff there. Perhaps some good will come out of Brazil's rant. People need to understand what an nasty, insidious illness depression is.

Just Googled Brazil and it seem he has previous for ranting on about depression on his show back in 2011. he clearly has no understanding of what it is. Strange as apparently he was "fiddled with" whilst at Celtic in the 70s so you'd think he would have some understanding how things can affect you.

That seems to imply that the players wouldnt have gone if Cortses and Pochettino had stayed and that is something we will never know. What we do now is that the money wasnt there for a challenge for the top four so it is hard to see those like Lallana and Lovren staying in a mid table set up.

That will never do! Yet anothere well balanced article.

Typical of Brazil though. I have heard some people say that stress and depression is the new back ache - meaning that it is hard to prove and easy for people to feign. Depression gets short shrift because, as with a broken arm or a heart condition, there is nothing to see. You may see it in someones behaviour but in my case my GP called it Smiling Depression because I used humour to mask what I was really feeling. I cant described how low I felt. I didnt mope about crying but I felt like I was at the bottom of a very deep, black hole with no way out. Not even having three young children helped. Winston Churchill suffered from depression. My GP says that about half the country are on "happy pills." It is a dreadful illness and it doesnt help when idiots like Brazil do not take it seriously. Fotunately for me I spent time in The Priory and they helped me through it. My youngest daughter now has Anorexia (another form of mental illness) so there is another mountain to climb. I watched the recent programme about Karen Carpeter. She had anorexia and died through over use of drugs to keep herself thin. Was she selfish? No, she was struggling with her self image and couldnt deal with the hand that fame dealt her. There are thousand and thousands of "ordinary" people who also suffer with a distorted self image - are they all selfish Alan? Alan Brazil seems to spend his time (when he is not talking cr@p on TalkSport? eating and drinking to excess. With any luck the buffoon will end up like Mr Creosote.

Good article and something that the "bedwetters" need to read.

Just a bit of fun Alps

Thats the thing though. When you get to a place like that you dont think rationally. I have been there so I know. It is an easy thing to throw at someone but trust me, it is not a selfish act, it is one born out o utter despartion.

Gina Lollobrigida