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I thought that the dogs used had never been wrong in over 200 jobs? Anyway, the important thing is to ignore whether Hall is a crank or not and look at the statements that have been made and then changed several times as if to fit what the police are coming up with. There is a great deal that doesn't add up.

Even Chambers doesn't know what his best position is. He hasn't set the world alight for Arsenal this season and was still giving away clumsy fouls last night. Good opportunity for Clyne to show what he can do wasted.

I haven't watched any other of his films but I have watched these and they are well made. I will say again, if you have an interest in the McCanns case this is well worth watching. Even if you just watch the one with the sniffer dogs. (Even a broken clock is right twice a day so give it a chance).

No one eve said Beckham was sh*te. It is just that some don't think he was as good as others. No harm in that.

I was just referring to the title of the thread.

It is all about opinions and that is Waddle's. You have yours. Would you put Beckham in the England team instead of Le Tiss? I don't think I would.

Former England winger Chris Waddle says David Beckham is not one of the top 1,000 players of the last 40 years. The ex-Manchester United midfielder is retiring at the end of the season. "I would say he has been a good player, I wouldn't put him down as a great," Waddle, 52, told BBC Radio 5 live. "You can go down a list of players from the Premier League or the 70s or 80s, whatever you want to do. I'll be honest, Beckham probably wouldn't be in the first 1,000." Beckham v Waddle Chris Waddle Beckham Waddle England caps 115 62 Major English trophies 8 0 Major European trophies 1 0 League titles 10 3 Beckham, 38, who signed a five-month deal at Paris St-Germain in January, joined Manchester United as a trainee in 1991, making his first-team debut the following year and signing his first professional contract in 1993. He went on to make 394 appearances for United, winning six Premier League titles and the Champions League, and 115 for England. "I think there have been a lot more talented players in the world. But he made the most of what he has got," said Waddle, who made more 100 appearances for four of his clubs - Newcastle, Tottenham, Marseille and Sheffield Wednesday - while winning 62 England caps. "He has got a terrific image and used it very well. He never had a trick, wasn't particularly quick, but he was very good at set-pieces and deliveries, he made chances and made goals and was fantastic for clubs. "He said the right things, he sold shirts, he put money in the tills wherever he went and conducted himself well." Beckham became one of the world's most high-profile sportsmen during his time at Old Trafford - and a global celebrity following his marriage to Spice Girl Victoria Adams in 1999. He signed for Real Madrid in 2003 and won a La Liga title in 2007 before switching to the United States with Los Angeles Galaxy. He also spent time on loan at AC Milan. "As a player I would say he was a fantastic crosser of the ball, a great athlete," said Waddle. "Now people will be talking about him and saying 'How great, how great'. I would say 'how good'. "I would not say he was a great. He was very good at his job, he worked very hard as a professional footballer." Manchester United manager-in-waiting David Moyes, preparing to lead Everton for the final time, has added to the tributes paid to Beckham since his announcement on Thursday. "He's been a great player, a tremendous ambassador. I think everyone who is English is tremendously proud of what David Beckham has done over the years and how he has conducted himself," said the Scot. "I was very fortunate to play with David when he came to Preston North End, he was a great lad then, very humble and really just wanted to play. "Everybody who was part of that team [at Preston] still remembers him and still wants to talk about how they played in a team with David Beckham. I'm no different." Carlo Ancelotti, Beckham's current manager at PSG, said: "The football world lost a fantastic player, lost a fantastic professional, lost a good man. It's the right decision because he decided to stop and not other people [telling him to stop]. "We have to respect his decision. "It's not my business to find a role for David. He's going to speak with the club and if they decide to give him a new position, it is up to David and the club." Beckham trained with Arsenal in January, and when asked if he was interested in signing Beckham, Gunners boss Arsene Wenger said: "Yes, I was. It was at a period when I couldn't afford him. And after that there was a question mark before he went to Milan, but it was a position we didn't really need. "It was always a pleasure to have him here because of his attitude and behaviour. He gained respect from everybody. "No matter how strong a player he is, what remains in your memory is his genuine commitment and dedication and the natural humility which he always had. That will stay forever." QPR manager Harry Redknapp was in charge at Tottenham when Beckham trained with Spurs in 2011. He said: "He was down to earth, everybody loved him, he treated everybody with great respect and he had time for everyone. He's had a fantastic career and is an absolute top-class fella. "He's been a great role model for any young footballer."

There were plenty of bad words when his petulance got him sent off against Argentina and when he sent a penalty out of the ground but yes, he had his moments.

There seems to be no evidence of an abduction but there also seems to be evidence that she died in the apartment.

I don't know much about Richard Hall but what I would say, from having sat through his 4 hours of film, is that he raises many very interesting points that need answering.

It is a big chunk of time but worth the effort I think. Why wouldn't they keep things going? If they go quiet now their detractors will say they have ridden out the storm. They could have helped the original investigation by taking lie detector tests and answering questions earlier but chose not to. Will they take a test now? Probably not. Their best form of defence is attack. Have they said to the Met come and investigate us as suspects to help clear our names? No. They are saying come and try and find the abductor. There is an awful lot that doesn't tie up and if you know anything about body language Gerry McCann does not come across as dead straight from day 1. Through the films it is also interesting to note how the McCann's change their stories as things progress. Payne's evidence is very poor. As I say, try and watch the films, even if it is only the one about the cadaver and blood sniffer dogs.

I am not saying that becoming a brand diminished his talent, although Ferguson might have something to say about it. Perhaps it is a generational thing. At 60 I have seen many good players come and go. Beckham is one of them but IMHO I thought Bryan Robson was better. Gerrard's goal scoring record passing and set pieces are also quality and in his prime I would say World Class.

Watch Richard Hall's videos. They are calling for the Met to investigate the alleged abduction. I am sure they last thing tey want is to be named a suspects again. The longer they keep it going to more money pours in, Watch the films and then come back. If you are still certain they are kosher fair dos.

Showbiz life rather than showbiz wife. He became a "brand" quite early on. As I said before, he clearly was a good player. To try and say he was one of Englands best players ever is stretching things more than a little. I know that Gerrard is as popular as the Black Death on here but his crossfield passing is also superb. I could name plenty of other players with an awesome workrate.

The longer they perpetuate the abducted theory the longer the spotlight stays off of them. Suggest you watch some if not all of the Richard Hall video. If you still think that they are squeaky clean after that, fine.

I wonder just how much of the money actually went into helping a legitimate search for Madeleine?

This is the thing though. I don't see people trying to belittle him, just to put him into some kind of perspective. Ferguson is no mug.

The police chief said as much. With DNA it shouldn't be too hard to tie things up unless the perpetrators left the island soon after so I'm surprised that this is such a mess.

Bryan Robson was a better player than Beckham in my opinion. In fact I wonder if Beckham would get into a Manchester United all time greats team?

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Kate says that they have been "naïve". Criminally negligent I would say. I think any one of us would have been out there searching for our child the night she went missing - would take a lie detector test - would answer questions willingly - would only employ reputable people etc. What amazes me is that they haven't been particularly clever. They just seem to bungle and stumble their way through all of the difficult questions that have been fired at them and nothing happens when they clearly do not come across as convincing. If there is no proof of an abductor then it puts the McCanns firmly in the line of fire.

I think you will find it was more down to 'Arry (who famously said he didn't know what he was doing here) than Lowe or Woodward. In 'Arry's book he said he didn't have a problem with Woodward. When 'Arry takes QPR down again this season he will have more failures than successes.

Not saying that Beckham wasn't very good - he clearly was. It is just that I don't think he was as good as history is now painting him. We all have our favourites but he wouldn't make it into my top English team. I sure many would disagree though.

It looks now like the two confessions have been retracted and they are saying that the confessions were beaten out of the suspects.

As you can tell, I am not a great Beckham fan and I don't agree that he carried England. He was part of the golden generation that failed to deliver. He was a good player no doubt, but often over hyped I think. I'd have Scholes before him any day and Le Tiss (and that is not down to a Saints bias).