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If labour were in Govt I imagine the initial response would be similar perhaps with slightly more humility . However the Tory supporting press would be hammering them daily !

Suggested a while ago . Sounds sensible but too many vested interests re promotion and relegation PLUS money money money .Nothing will be decided until they run out of time and then they will argue about scrapping this season entirely or calling current league position the final positions to decide promotion and relegation followed by various legal actions .

Why can't the Govt even organise our own testing ? 50 000 tests being sent to USA for analysis ! It will be intersting to see what is really happening , that's if the the information ever comes out/trickles down to our level .

It would take alot of time and effort to untangle the Coronavirus figures given by each country and then you would have to investigate the validity of the original information before coming to a conclusion that was accurate. Currently there is still a debate about how the Black Death was spread around the world . The common understanding was that it was spread by fleas hosted by rats but that is now disputed .Common remedies at the time were for example in Frankfurt was to kill all the Jews as they spread the disease ! Our Govt responce has been hampered by 10 years of under investment in the NHS , using private companies to do testing , not utilising local council and NHS facilities for testing and tracking , being more concerned with praising their own efforts than telling us the truth , over promising and under achieving on a grand scale . They have also made bad decisions such as clearing out hospital wards of elderly patients to care homes , not realising the severity of the problem so dragging their heels on lockdown and failing to test and track and failing to close our borders. We have seen diversionary tactics , yesterdays briefing included a long VE day mention ending with a promise that the NHS would look after the vets ?? I thought they did that anyway ? the environment minister did sound lost at this stage . The briefings are poor surely they have some presentation experts they could use ? The Govt are putting out mixed messages , some via the freindly bits of the press and ministers who have to backtrack the next day. I wonder what the press reaction would have been if they wern't supports of the Tories/Boris ? I hope they get some kind of grip and tell us how it is and what they are going to do in a clear way so we can do what is required !!!!

To add to ant’s comments it appears the “friendly” media were briefed by the Govt so yesterday’s headlines were all about easing the lockdown and Boris to brief us on Sunday about all these new freedoms. All now denied by Rabb ! The emergency RAF airlift of PPE has gone wrong as the gowns don’t meet UK spec and were produced by a T shirt business , no further details are available !! NHS asking the Govt to stop over promising and under delivering .

Liverpool will tell him to play himself into the Prem at Saints first then he will walk into their first team , Ha Ha !

Jennick also ignored the stay home advice but he didn't resign !

The whole point is that since the Thatcher years with Kenneth Clarke ( of all people) the NHS has been slowly split up in competing sections just so private companies can get a slice of taxpayers money by offering services to the NHS (Cherry picking of course) . The total irony is just what you are quoting !! It started in the Thatcher years where there was central purchasing , by the NHS itself , for the very reasons you have quoted !! It is going nearly full circle except Deloittes will be running it not the NHS . They will now be creaming off profits , bonus payments etc at the expence of us taxpayers . As foggy says "you couldn't make it up" ( It's just the rest of what Foggy says that is wrong) Of course what the Govt are putting out sounds reasonable but like everything else they have done since this crisis started they are not actually delivering what they say they are . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52553430 for example.

Only by Mark Palios in the Guardian . He says " I believe there is very strong arguement that the exceptional circumstances of a pandemic and prohibition on all football activities mean players contracts have been frustrated in law . If this is correct , they are void and the clubs don't have to honour them . "

Legally it has been said that if the season is abandoned due to the Corona virus then the players contracts can be declared void . That would free up the clubs to stay afloat rather than furlough , lay off everyone but players. They couldn't claim the cash for the remainder of their fixed contracts as the contract is null and void , a bit of realisim would be introduced to the football business .

Good to see the Govt are using the virus crisis to privatise large chunks of the NHS . Regional health Authorities cannot now buy any PPE or equipment themselves , they all have to apply via a new central procurement system that will be run by their business mates !! Likewise the testing centres , the smart phone tracing app etc all run by their mates with an MP being a shareholder of the tech firm !!

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To any answer that it would be OK my late mother in law would say "but what if ........?" this went on until I would say " We'll all been wiped out tomorrow by a nuclear bomb so not worth worrying" "you are just being stupid" end of conversation ....

Not going to make the arbitrary target you set yourself a few weeks ago ? Then just include home testing kits that have been sent out rather than tests done , eureka ! target passed With space to spare . Your life in their hands ........"

Hooiveld with 4 apparently so 5 total !

3 , JWP got one and Hoedt 2 maybe !

OK I guess 6

No one is too sure if the millenium bug preparation expence was an excellent investment or there was no real issue that millions of £ and time were an overreaction . Having spare virus ward beds is probably good in this case . The more you read all the articles about stats from other countries the less clear it all becomes . Target setting is an overused business tool that has invaded all areas , generally they divert resourses and as things change become redundant but the target is still chased if it is a "performance indicator" as part of a reward scheme or people don't want to lose face.

It was not just about travel restrictions there are many factors but you do not want to go on and on. It is a good to see all peoples views on here and it does make me think ! This Govt need to back up announcements with action at the sharp end . I'm not confident that if a different Govt was formed after the election that it would have made a much better job , looking at most countries round the world .

The SAGE advisory group , which the Govt set up to advise it , has no Immunologist , intensive care expert , molecular virologist , nursing leader or expert in delivery of supplies. It has however 2 political advisers Appointed by Boris ! It is no wonder they are floundering. They kept the makeup of SAGE secret and now we know why , all about suppressing information the Govt wouldn’t want us to hear. NZ and Oz have new infection rates way below us and death rate in NZ is in single figures as they took action inc shutting down travel and those that arrived had to have 14 days quarantine at go return expense.

Excellent site , well done ! Funny how I can remember Paine , Davis , Sydenham , McGrath etc but it takes this site to remind me of the players I only remember when I see their names on this site .

According to an interview in the Guardian he felt dizzy and ill running round in circles so switched to the treadmill . I forgot he got seriously unwell after 5 days of his 7 day triathlon attempt .

Different approach to these scroungers !! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-52420392?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business&link_location=live-reporting-story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52425825 update