hypochondriac Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 I really don't think it is in the football league's interest for that to happen. IF no one is prepared to buy the club with the terms they are setting out (lets guess and say that's to start the season on -25) then the football league have the choice on whether to comprimise or to let the club die. Now Tony seems to suggest that the league are looking to resolve this issue as well as the club but I imagine that things are slow because the league will try to get away with as much as they can. Just suppose that the league refuse to budge and we do cease to exist, the league could be presented with a legal battle and a logistical nightmare with regards to fixtures. The bad PR it will also generate is something I am sure they will be keen to avoid. One thing is certain, the saga will not be over at the end of next week if we go under. I can't imagine either party will want this scenario in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiddy Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 See your point, but the problem is now it is no longer just Pinnacle and the FL in negotiations. Regardless of whether the FL and Pinnacle are playing a game of hard-ball, it could be that the Swiss Group, or more likely, Jackson, blinks first and agrees to the FL's terms. Then lo and behold we start next season with -25 points, Jackson as our leader, and Peter Reid as manager. At least if Pinnacle were left to negotiate on their own with the FL, there may be half a chance of finding a compromise to the benefit of our football club. As it stands, the FL know damned well that Pinnacle have others breathing down their necks, which means they have bugger all chance of getting the FL to compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 June, 2009 See your point, but the problem is now it is no longer just Pinnacle and the FL in negotiations. Regardless of whether the FL and Pinnacle are playing a game of hard-ball, it could be that the Swiss Group, or more likely, Jackson, blinks first and agrees to the FL's terms. Then lo and behold we start next season with -25 points, Jackson as our leader, and Peter Reid as manager. At least if Pinnacle were left to negotiate on their own with the FL, there may be half a chance of finding a compromise to the benefit of our football club. As it stands, the FL know damned well that Pinnacle have others breathing down their necks, which means they have bugger all chance of getting the FL to compromise. Would suit me if we still have a club. I just can't see us going out of business. We will either get a compromise and a Pinnacle completion, or one of the others will accept the football leagues unreasonable terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 I really don't think it is in the football league's interest for that to happen. IF no one is prepared to buy the club with the terms they are setting out (lets guess and say that's to start the season on -25) then the football league have the choice on whether to comprimise or to let the club die. Now Tony seems to suggest that the league are looking to resolve this issue as well as the club but I imagine that things are slow because the league will try to get away with as much as they can. Just suppose that the league refuse to budge and we do cease to exist, the league could be presented with a legal battle and a logistical nightmare with regards to fixtures. The bad PR it will also generate is something I am sure they will be keen to avoid. One thing is certain, the saga will not be over at the end of next week if we go under. I can't imagine either party will want this scenario in any way. You can read it that way - but equally you can read it that football is in such a state with excessive fees and wages and most clubs in debt that the FL want to send a wake up call to the other clubs to get their houses in order. One way to do that would be to let a club with a 'name', but not too high profile, go to the wall. Who would sue on our behalf once we've gone - not Begbies or the creditors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 start next season with -25 points, Jackson as our leader, and Peter Reid as manager. I reckon you could easily find 10 fans on here that would snap your hand off for that before midnight! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 I really don't think it is in the football league's interest for that to happen. IF no one is prepared to buy the club with the terms they are setting out (lets guess and say that's to start the season on -25) then the football league have the choice on whether to comprimise or to let the club die. Now Tony seems to suggest that the league are looking to resolve this issue as well as the club but I imagine that things are slow because the league will try to get away with as much as they can. Just suppose that the league refuse to budge and we do cease to exist, the league could be presented with a legal battle and a logistical nightmare with regards to fixtures. The bad PR it will also generate is something I am sure they will be keen to avoid. One thing is certain, the saga will not be over at the end of next week if we go under. I can't imagine either party will want this scenario in any way. I wouldn't beleive everything tony says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 See your point, but the problem is now it is no longer just Pinnacle and the FL in negotiations. Regardless of whether the FL and Pinnacle are playing a game of hard-ball, it could be that the Swiss Group, or more likely, Jackson, blinks first and agrees to the FL's terms. Then lo and behold we start next season with -25 points, Jackson as our leader, and Peter Reid as manager. At least if Pinnacle were left to negotiate on their own with the FL, there may be half a chance of finding a compromise to the benefit of our football club. As it stands, the FL know damned well that Pinnacle have others breathing down their necks, which means they have bugger all chance of getting the FL to compromise. I have said before that loon Michael Jackson claiming to be able to make a bid is not doing Saints any favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 I hope the sentiment in this thread is correct. However I do not think that tory arsehole and his cohorts give a dam about their members[ clubs]. They effectively threw Luton out of the league with there thirty point deduction, and could not care about Saints either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonswan Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 I really don't think it is in the football league's interest for that to happen. IF no one is prepared to buy the club with the terms they are setting out (lets guess and say that's to start the season on -25) then the football league have the choice on whether to comprimise or to let the club die. Now Tony seems to suggest that the league are looking to resolve this issue as well as the club but I imagine that things are slow because the league will try to get away with as much as they can. Sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody gave a **** about Newport and nobody will give a **** about Southampton, apart from Southampton's own fans. Just suppose that the league refuse to budge and we do cease to exist, the league could be presented with a legal battle and a logistical nightmare with regards to fixtures. Legal battle from whom? Southampton fixtures expunged = a day off for each team. No problem at all. The bad PR it will also generate is something I am sure they will be keen to avoid. One thing is certain, the saga will not be over at the end of next week if we go under. I can't imagine either party will want this scenario in any way. Nobody WANTS this scenario, but the FL and the member clubs are not going to lose any sleep over it. They are all pretty self interested. That's the way it is, unfortunately. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 I don't think the FL will worry too much if SFC folds. They will just promote a League 2 team, get a team in from the Blue Square Prem and so on. It will be as if we never existed. What I really don't get is that now Lowe and co. are out of the picture, why are there no really serious buyers? Many other clubs have been bought out or taken over but all we seem to attract are tyre-kickers and fantasists. Surely, even in these straitened times, someone can see the potential in the club, and at a knock-down price, a mere fraction of a Premier League transfer fee. I just don't get it, but at least by this time this week we should know one way or the other. My glass is half-empty tonight. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 Come on boyzz and gals let us stay positive...We are the Saints and we will be moving onwards and upwards soon........surely.. COYRs...BELIEVE.......i DO..i THINK.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inoffthepost Posted 26 June, 2009 Share Posted 26 June, 2009 Simply put. The longer this is drawn out S.F.C. will it not be that S.F.C. will go into administration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 Simply put. The longer this is drawn out S.F.C. will it not be that S.F.C. will go into administration? Straight to liquidation on Friday. There wouldn't be anything to administrate, I wouldn't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITKSaint Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 Just suppose that the league refuse to budge and we do cease to exist, the league could be presented with a legal battle and a logistical nightmare with regards to fixtures. The bad PR it will also generate is something I am sure they will be keen to avoid. Legal battle? Who will be paying the lawyers?! Logistical nightmare with fixtures? I think they'll just work around it. Bad PR? That'll be reserved for RL and everyone else involved in the boardroom. I don't think it'll come to going out of business but I don't think those reasons above will play a part, I'm still hoping for a takeover of some kind, :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navysaint Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 The saints could survive this league even with a 25 point deduction. Stockport finished 18th on 50pts last season with a 10 point deduction. The season lies with us and with 46 games to play we only need to win all our home games 69 points and a couple of away draws take the 25 points off and we are still safe. If i had a few mill i would take the punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 I hope the sentiment in this thread is correct. However I do not think that tory arsehole and his cohorts give a dam about their members[ clubs]. They effectively threw Luton out of the league with there thirty point deduction, and could not care about Saints either. There are lots of clubs in the conference who can take our place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 I don't think the FL will worry too much if SFC folds. They will just promote a League 2 team, get a team in from the Blue Square Prem and so on. It will be as if we never existed. What I really don't get is that now Lowe and co. are out of the picture, why are there no really serious buyers? Many other clubs have been bought out or taken over but all we seem to attract are tyre-kickers and fantasists. Surely, even in these straitened times, someone can see the potential in the club, and at a knock-down price, a mere fraction of a Premier League transfer fee. I just don't get it, but at least by this time this week we should know one way or the other. My glass is half-empty tonight. :-( The problem we have is a buyer needs to pump 15 million in and then start the season at -25 which would almost certain be another relegation, To top that the fans will stay away and the best players will leave. If I was someone that had abit of money, I would wait until next season where I could pick it up for 6 million and start the long journey upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 The saints could survive this league even with a 25 point deduction. Stockport finished 18th on 50pts last season with a 10 point deduction. The season lies with us and with 46 games to play we only need to win all our home games 69 points and a couple of away draws take the 25 points off and we are still safe. If i had a few mill i would take the punt. You can rule out any half decent manager then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 If we get to Thursday and no-one has bought the club are we likely to get a glut of '11 hour bids' by those looking to pick the club up for peanuts, surely the creditors would except anything rather than nothing? Would it be a case of just meeting an asking price to the estimated value/worth (whatever that would be at such a late stage) of the assets, SMS, Staplewood, Jacksons, lodge, etc? If so then someone could get the steel-of-the-century even with -25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 The short answer is that the Football League have 'form' for destroying clubs (Luton) and there's no reason to believe they're going to do SFC any favours at all - quite the opposite in fact . The narrow self interest of other clubs could regard the elimination of SFC and it's replacement in the league structure with some minor club as a competitive advantage . Never underestimate the stupidy or selfishness of powerful men . I'd argue that anyone adopting this attitude would be wrong however , it can't be a good thing for the League or be in the wider interests of the game that large tracts of central southern England are devoid of a major football club , that children have no team to follow (except on TV) , and that whole city's have no club . Unfortunately those in charge of the Football League don't seem to share a love of the game or any appreciation of it's long history and traditions . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 The saints could survive this league even with a 25 point deduction. Stockport finished 18th on 50pts last season with a 10 point deduction. The season lies with us and with 46 games to play we only need to win all our home games 69 points and a couple of away draws take the 25 points off and we are still safe. If i had a few mill i would take the punt. Have you forgotten last season already :confused: 47 points would have seen us safe (excluding the -10 of course :cool:) We got 23 pts away so winning just 6 out of 23 home games would have seen us 4th from bottom Winning just 11 out of 23 plus 1 draw would have seen us beat the -10 point penalty as well. Win all our home games, funnier than most of the Michael Jackson jokes doing the rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 I think there is a big difference between us and Luton for example. As I remember Luton did NOT have a good legal case for taking the FL to court (some of their points were for paying agents etc., and the old company that went into Admin was the one that held the "share"). From what I understand Saints would have a very good case in the Law Courts (Share held by company (00053301) that didn't go into Admin etc, promise of an Appeal etc; company 00053301 carries on trading for 8 weeks since 02072250 went into Admin etc.). If Saints (00053301) were to go under because company (02072250) was in Admin i'm with Hypo on this issue and think that company number 00080612 (The Football League) will find themselves in court because of their refusal to grant an appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 The problem we have is a buyer needs to pump 15 million in and then start the season at -25 which would almost certain be another relegation, To top that the fans will stay away and the best players will leave. If I was someone that had abit of money, I would wait until next season where I could pick it up for 6 million and start the long journey upwards. I don't necessarily agree with you there. It is extremely likely that we the fan base could stick our fingers up at the rulemakers and sign up enmass to support our stricken club. We could actually have an us against the whole world as nobody likes us atmosphere with team and fans joining together and really going for broke. Dreaming perhaps but it just might happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 Would suit me if we still have a club. I just can't see us going out of business. We will either get a compromise and a Pinnacle completion, or one of the others will accept the football leagues unreasonable terms. I want a Club as well ........ but at what cost ??? .... Sorry, but I would only support a Club with a real future If it ends up with the Tin Pot Jackson Takeover, with all that entails, it is NOT going to be the Club that most of us want Just ask yourself exactly HOW MANY will go to St Mary's to watch what will be left of the Playing Staff start off on -25 ????? ........ It would not be long before gates of + 10000 would be a BONUS The LEAGUE are screwing us into the ground. If it were just Pinnacle, then we would be OK, but now that "Yes Man" Jackson is willing to agree with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that the League want, Pinnacle stand NO chance of coming to a comprimise with the League Jackson a FAN of Saints ???? ....... JOKE ...... he should be ashamed of his actions .... HE has gone a long way towards undermining Pinnacle IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 June, 2009 Share Posted 27 June, 2009 Just suppose that the league refuse to budge and we do cease to exist, the league could be presented with a legal battle and a logistical nightmare with regards to fixtures. The bad PR it will also generate is something I am sure they will be keen to avoid. One thing is certain, the saga will not be over at the end of next week if we go under. I can't imagine either party will want this scenario in any way. Please explain the "logistical nightmare" with the fixtures. How can a team dropping out present a nightmare? It just leaves 23 teams in the division for 1 season, with teams having a day off when they were due to play us. Simples, happens all the time in leagus up and down the country and has happened before in the Football League. Also who would take up a legal battle? If Pinnacle have no money they would not be able to afford it? Especially as they know they would lose. You think Barclays are going to sue the League? Dream on. Aviva, ha ha!! Sorry man, but the FL will not a lose a win of sleep if Southampton, founder members of the FA Premier League go out of business. Its called pay-back time for one of the 22 clubs that shafted the Football League in 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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