hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 It's what I've been saying for a good few seasons now. It was an issue last season and was one factor that meant we didn't get the odd draw or win out of games by going the extra mile. I hope Pardew can get us as fit as we were under Strachan because we really tired ourselves out yesterday. I also would love to hear the thoughts of nickg who said: like this - I don't think fitness was our problem last year, I think it was confidence, motivation and character;) (and Pardew agrees with me not you;)!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 pardew does not agree with nick to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Thomas7 Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A friend who works at the ground tells me he had them all out doing circuit training after the fans had gone so think AP realises this and is on it ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 pardew does not agree with nick to be fair Well nick was pretty smug last week assuring me that fitness was not the issue despite the evidence which was in front of my eyes for the whole of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A friend who works at the ground tells me he had them all out doing circuit training after the fans had gone so think AP realises this and is on it ;-) Good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 It was a hot day yesterday but even so our lack of fitness certainly became apparent as the game wore on. We were out on our feet for the last 10 minutes or so and I wish that I had a £ for every time that I saw one of our players bending over with their hands on their knees looking knackered. It was equally hot for both teams and certainly Millwall did not see to be afflicted the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 from what i have heard AP is a hard task master and will get them fit. To be fair, yesterday in that heat even the most fittest of us would have suffered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 from what i have heard AP is a hard task master and will get them fit. To be fair, yesterday in that heat even the most fittest of us would have suffered Millwall didn't seem too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 from what i have heard AP is a hard task master and will get them fit. To be fair, yesterday in that heat even the most fittest of us would have suffered Yeah, I'm pretty fit and did the full 93 minutes in block 5 and it took it out of me to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 from what i have heard AP is a hard task master and will get them fit. To be fair, yesterday in that heat even the most fittest of us would have suffered Two pints of beetroot juice a day will sort them out. Disgusting but efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 also, its a issue with how we make the ball work, for some part of the game we had alot of the ball, meaning that they werent running around like headless chickens, but when we didnt have the ball it was clear to see the inexperience of the younger lot, in particular AL and LJ who seemed to just run here there and everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Absolutely agree Hypo. Last year we even got one of the backroom staff releasing those Opta Stats type things trying to disprove what many of us could clearly see. Was MS an idiot to play that long ball that led to the penalty or was his mental stamina and thought process less than 100% sharp as he was feeling the pace. Many of us picked up last season about the fact that JP concentrated on "Ball Work" in pre-season and AP commented about fading in the last 20 minutes - how many games last season did both our forwards finish 90 minutes compared to under Strachan? Really think this will be the big deciding factor, we get them fit and get a few in, could be in for a ver big surprise this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Millwall didn't seem too bad. no, because they used the energies better, see my post above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 We did run out of steam with about 10 minutes to go, but then so did Millwall. AP in interview on Solent did say we're still not fit enough. In the players defense it was bloody hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 We did run out of steam with about 10 minutes to go, but then so did Millwall. AP in interview on Solent did say we're still not fit enough. In the players defense it was bloody hot. Personally I thought we looked more tired than Millwall from the beginning of the second half. First half I thought we were a lot better than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 (edited) It's what I've been saying for a good few seasons now. It was an issue last season and was one factor that meant we didn't get the odd draw or win out of games by going the extra mile. I hope Pardew can get us as fit as we were under Strachan because we really tired ourselves out yesterday. I also would love to hear the thoughts of nickg who said: like this - I don't think fitness was our problem last year, I think it was confidence, motivation and character;) (and Pardew agrees with me not you;)!) Not going to give you the childish argument you are seeking but hope this covers it; For some reason you seem to be getting petty and trying to start fall outs over this comment. You have made comment on another thread. Which I ignored. Sent me a PM which didn't make much sense and so ignored again. But clearly you want to feel better about yourself over this so go ahead. My friendly comment - which I stand by - was that fitness wasn't our biggest problem by far last year. It was things such as players available, tactics, motivation, character. My post, which you really need to get over if you disagree with, was after I heard the lengthy interview with Pardew on the radio - when he also said the same things. He also said he was impressed with the general fitness levels. I do think there is room to improve - definately. Particularly if we are going to play high tempo game which Pardew wants. Fitness was a factor for some players yesterday. Off the top of my head - Scheiderlin (how hasn't played that much preseason with us) and Patterson who ran himself into the ground. The other player who I thought lacked fitness was Saga - which is nothing to do with any fitness regime now or last season I suspect. Edited 9 August, 2009 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 pardew does not agree with nick to be fair wrong - please see my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Fitness was a factor for some players yesterday. Off the top of my head - Scheiderlin (how hasn't played that much preseason with us) and Patterson who ran himself into the ground. The other player who I thought lacked fitness was Saga - which is nothing to do with any fitness regime now or last season I suspect. I would add Murty to that list. The guy reminds me of me, overweight (he probably is not quite so overweight as me). Don't get me wrong, I thought he had a superb game. He makes up for his lack of fitness by his vision and energy. I wish I could get up and down the flanks like him, carrying so much weight. But just consider how much better he will be still when he sheds a few more pounds. Other than me he also reminds me of Jason Dodd. Not the most gifted player technically, but a great bloke to have in your team. Think he really should be skipper, no offence to Kelvin but I prefer a skipper on the field rather than in goal. I was quite please yesterday with the fitness levels, considering the lack of preseason. The energy levels 1st half were very high, yes we ran out of steam in the 2nd half but that was because we were chasing shadows once we lost the ability to hold the ball up when Pato went off. It was bloody hot, but that was why Millwall looked fitter than us, if you are chasing the game in the 2nd half then you will tire more quickly. Whatever, we looked fitter than under the Agents Orange and 100% fitter than under Burley. A couple more weeks of AP and Wilkins and those players will be back to something like what we got used to under WGS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Murty was with Reading last year - perhaps their fitness regime was not up to ours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 The problem is not the fitness but rather how the energy generated is dispersed. We are not taking control, haven't been taking control of games for a long while now. We nearly always take the lead, don't take advantage of that lead, and then leave ourselves wide open due to the inability to take hold and control the opposition and the game. Lawd knows how these players would have done in days when there were no substitutes! I felt yesterday Pardew waited far to long before using the subs. Just look how Millwall took control after 2 very good substitutions. Now that we're putting together a strong defence we'll have to work on how to take control. Afterall, we have excellent passers of the ball and have the ability to slow the game down, yet Pardew seems to want to see them all running non stop as was the case with Saga-is-offski. Control of the game is the issue and making efficient use of the fitness, by ultimum disperal of energy efficiently over 95 minutes not 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A friend who works at the ground tells me he had them all out doing circuit training after the fans had gone so think AP realises this and is on it ;-) Fitness training after they've just finished a 90 minute football match . :confused: I don't think so , more likely a 'warm down' session common in professional sport . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Agree,we havnt had a fit squad since strachan left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A friend who works at the ground tells me he had them all out doing circuit training after the fans had gone so think AP realises this and is on it ;-) No way that after a competitive game, and in that heat they were doing fitness training. They would not have done circuit training yesterday, sorry your friend must be mistaken. I would guess he saw the fitness trainer taking them through light stretches etc to loosen off/rid of lactic acid etc after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 No way that after a competitive game, and in that heat they were doing fitness training. They would not have done circuit training yesterday, sorry your friend must be mistaken. I would guess he saw the fitness trainer taking them through light stretches etc to loosen off/rid of lactic acid etc after the game. does pardew still agree with you though..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 (edited) yes - we agree. see post 16 - hopefully clear enough even for those just out for point scoring. Edited 9 August, 2009 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 wrong - please see my post. Erm I'm sorry but you lost the moral high ground when you edited a quote from me in the original thread and posted a couple of rather sarcastic replies. You can't do something like that and then totally ignore things when you are proven totally wrong. But don't worry, I'm a big enough man to drop it. You were wrong, we move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 and therefore you think Pardew is wrong. Fair enough - all about opinions, I'm happy to agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Erm I'm sorry but you lost the moral high ground when you edited a quote from me in the original thread and posted a couple of rather sarcastic replies. You can't do something like that and then totally ignore things when you are proven totally wrong. But don't worry, I'm a big enough man to drop it. You were wrong, we move on. I am sorry if a post I did a while ago upset you that much that you are still dwelling on it, mentioning in threads, sending PM and starting another thread on it. I truly am. I don't even remember making it but guess I was taking the micky or something, sorry. I stand by my view on this matter, which were echoed by Pardew's interview, explained in post 16, but fully accept you have a different opinion. Once again, I am sorry I hurt your feelings, and am pleased you are now ready to put it behind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 The problem is not the fitness but rather how the energy generated is dispersed. We are not taking control, haven't been taking control of games for a long while now. We nearly always take the lead, don't take advantage of that lead, and then leave ourselves wide open due to the inability to take hold and control the opposition and the game. Lawd knows how these players would have done in days when there were no substitutes! I felt yesterday Pardew waited far to long before using the subs. Just look how Millwall took control after 2 very good substitutions. Now that we're putting together a strong defence we'll have to work on how to take control. Afterall, we have excellent passers of the ball and have the ability to slow the game down, yet Pardew seems to want to see them all running non stop as was the case with Saga-is-offski. Control of the game is the issue and making efficient use of the fitness, by ultimum disperal of energy efficiently over 95 minutes not 45. good point as well, lack the experience playmaker to take control when the pressure is on - Wooton tries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 good point as well, lack the experience playmaker to take control when the pressure is on - Wotton tries our patience. Changed it for you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I never knock a tryer - just hasn't got enough natural ability to shine in that role! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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