InvictaSaint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1756190,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Dont know what to think about the situation. We are in League 1 and surely the players we have should be able to hold their own . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Fair enough. No excuses and will have them in tomorrow to sort them out plus get 2-3 more in couldn't ask for a more sensible response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 if we lost 3-1 last season to huddersfield wed have gone mad and really dont think we have much worse of a side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Bullied in the CCC, bullied in L1. Oh - and Murty's reaction: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1756198,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 if we lost 3-1 last season to huddersfield wed have gone mad and really dont think we have much worse of a side Yes I agree defence is probably as good as last year Midfield is probably worse with Surman McGoldrick gone but the attack probably better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Yes I agree defence is probably as good as last year Errmm, poor choice of words IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 What I like about Pardew is that he doesn't beat about the bush nor make excuses. He has backed up most of what as been said on the match thread and TBH what many of us have said time and time again over the last 2 years. Let's hope he can get his targets in fast and start competing with these teams in terms of physique, pace, athleticism and stamina and then have that little bit of extra class and guile to win some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Players like Wotton, Perry, Thomas, Morgan, James and Lallana are imo over-rated by some on here and are (imo) dispensable. Time for AP to lose the crap and recruit some decent players. Our midfeild is very light-weight and lacks creativity.....needs fixing yeserday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 AP is giving the present players every chance to shine.....if they are not able to do so then the weak amongst them will be gone...... simple as that in time...Saints are notoriously slow starters whichever league they are in so this should be no surprise to anyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 AP is giving the present players every chance to shine.....if they are not able to do so then the weak amongst them will be gone...... simple as that in time...Saints are notoriously slow starters whichever league they are in so this should be no surprise to anyone! I hope thats true! we need a new fresh team! get rid of the dead wood! bring in new faces! COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Bit of a cop out saying we were too direct and with two big guys up front it's easier to lump it forward- the reason we are too direct is because we have no width. We are one dimensional going forwards. We need to play a good old fashioned 4-4-2 with plenty of width, a bit of pace and plenty of balls into the box. We need to create at least 5 good chances per game to stand any chance of winning. We haven't/wont do that playing 4 central midfielders across the middle of the park..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Players like Wotton, Perry, Thomas, Morgan, James and Lallana are imo over-rated by some on here and are (imo) dispensable. Time for AP to lose the crap and recruit some decent players. Our midfeild is very light-weight and lacks creativity.....needs fixing yeserday. TBF I don't think anybody on here over-rates Wotton. Just about total agreement that he is absolutely garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Players like Wotton, Perry, Thomas, Morgan, James and Lallana are imo over-rated by some on here and are (imo) dispensable. Time for AP to lose the crap and recruit some decent players. Our midfeild is very light-weight and lacks creativity.....needs fixing yeserday. difference with morgan, james and lallana is that they are kids, and will be good, just need older, better heads aroud them. Our midfield, the engine room of the team is way too young and with wotton, crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Bit of a cop out saying we were too direct and with two big guys up front it's easier to lump it forward- the reason we are too direct is because we have no width. We are one dimensional going forwards. We need to play a good old fashioned 4-4-2 with plenty of width, a bit of pace and plenty of balls into the box. We need to create at least 5 good chances per game to stand any chance of winning. We haven't/wont do that playing 4 central midfielders across the middle of the park..... quite right. Alan: we want WINGERS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 quite right. Alan: we want WINGERS !I am glad you left the H out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Agree with what he says totally. Too many of the players just gave it away and made no effort to do anything about it. To quote what a Huddersfield guy said "you seemed too casual with your passes". And that is all down to attitude. We got to many players who think they are better then they are and when it goes wrong feel they don't have to do anything, its okay for them to play like that. Im so glad Pardew see's that and says "we will make sure we are in on sunday" and "talk about things that can't continue on in this team". The players over the past couple of years have let the club down badly and have been defended throughout that period. But we are no longer almost in admin, we are no longer a selling club selling our best players every week to keep the club afloat, we dont have some dutch muppets in charge who have no experience etc etc. The players must realise that if they dont want to play then fook off to another club as we are no longer in a position where we simply "have to make do with what we got". Those days are over. The players must match the confidence of the fans, the manager and owner. No more excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Just got back and have to say I cannot find anything positive to say. Normally there is one or two players who do OK but it was simply dreadful in every dept. The defence were all over the place - Thomas was particularly embarrassing and got worse as the game went on, the midfield were shocking. I am a fan of Lallana but totally ineffectual today and fancy dan tricks don't get you far in Yorkshire. Lloyd James looked lost and Schneiderlin just not suited to this league. Wotton well I think you all know his weaknesses. Lambert did his best and you could see Rasiak's class but we threatened little. The new lad from Chelsea made a few intelligent runs into the area after he came on but no one had the nous to anticipate these runs - once he ran into acres of space as Murty shaped to take a free kick but the former Reading man wasn't even looking. Even Davis was poor - he made some great one on one saves but he didn't properly deal with all the corners (and they had loads) which put our defence under continual pressure. Also a shame he palmed a terrible pen kick back into the path of the taker. Bit churlish to criticise him however because of the dreadful organisation of the defence. If I was AP tonight I would be worried. I like his post match comments - it sounds like he is aware of the problems but I have to say, based on that performance, I would take a successful battle against relegation right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Bit of a cop out saying we were too direct and with two big guys up front it's easier to lump it forward- the reason we are too direct is because we have no width. We are one dimensional going forwards. We need to play a good old fashioned 4-4-2 with plenty of width, a bit of pace and plenty of balls into the box. We need to create at least 5 good chances per game to stand any chance of winning. We haven't/wont do that playing 4 central midfielders across the middle of the park..... How long before AP takes action over this, assuming he agrees with you and many other posters.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Is Holmes injured?Must surely be our "best " winger, (though Jake will be one day I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Is Holmes injured?Must surely be our "best " winger, (though Jake will be one day I think). Apparently off to Bristol rovers after they made a bid...heard a whisper on Friday...and surprise surprise he's not even in the squad today. Would make no sense to sell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Apparently off to Bristol rovers after they made a bid...heard a whisper on Friday...and surprise surprise he's not even in the squad today. I think it makes perfect sense, he is injury prone and has only played a few games and perhaps Pardew feels we can sign better. He may have a few tricks but he is no pace and that is what we are crying out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 We have a new owner, a new board, a new manager, a new vision and a bright new future....... all of which will be pointless unless we have new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 We have, a new board, a new manager, a new vision and a bright new future....... I have heard this before havent I Lets hope this time it is for real but yes we need new players but I am not sure what the plan is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooarrlatvian Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Bullied in the CCC, bullied in L1. Oh - and Murty's reaction: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1756198,00.html Murty's correct about conceding goals from set-pieces. About 70% of all goals in this league are from set-pieces. Pardew would do well to ponder that fact. Having said that I tip uddersfield for a top five finish this season and it's a notoriously difficult place to bring points from. Onwards and upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Just got back and have to say I cannot find anything positive to say. Normally there is one or two players who do OK but it was simply dreadful in every dept. The defence were all over the place - Thomas was particularly embarrassing and got worse as the game went on, the midfield were shocking. I am a fan of Lallana but totally ineffectual today and fancy dan tricks don't get you far in Yorkshire. Lloyd James looked lost and Schneiderlin just not suited to this league. Wotton well I think you all know his weaknesses. Lambert did his best and you could see Rasiak's class but we threatened little. The new lad from Chelsea made a few intelligent runs into the area after he came on but no one had the nous to anticipate these runs - once he ran into acres of space as Murty shaped to take a free kick but the former Reading man wasn't even looking. Even Davis was poor - he made some great one on one saves but he didn't properly deal with all the corners (and they had loads) which put our defence under continual pressure. Also a shame he palmed a terrible pen kick back into the path of the taker. Bit churlish to criticise him however because of the dreadful organisation of the defence. If I was AP tonight I would be worried. I like his post match comments - it sounds like he is aware of the problems but I have to say, based on that performance, I would take a successful battle against relegation right now. Which to be fair Duncan is what we have been saying all along since Lowe left. We were always in a relegation battle this season, certainly until Pardew could rebuild the team... dare I say it almost from scratch. Said it since last December - we are League 2 standard and WILL relegate........... unless Pardew is allowed to reinforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 we wont be in a relegation battle ffs..sure it will take us longer than a few games to get out of the bottom 3 but we will not be in a relegation battle...that i am sure, we have too many decent players not to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 we wont be in a relegation battle ffs..sure it will take us longer than a few games to get out of the bottom 3 but we will not be in a relegation battle...that i am sure, we have too many decent players not to be I disagree - we have few quality players and alot of points to make up. The only thing I find worrying about APs comments is his request at the end for 2-3 more players. We need 5-6 IMHO.... unless he means 2-3 now and 3-4 in January! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Now, I'll be the first to admit that I didn't go yesterday and that I listened to Solent's coverage. If we put in the same performance Tuesday night though then I think we really are in desperate need of new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I disagree - we have few quality players and alot of points to make up. The only thing I find worrying about APs comments is his request at the end for 2-3 more players. We need 5-6 IMHO.... unless he means 2-3 now and 3-4 in January! we have probably the best manager in the league.. easily the best keeper in the league easily the best striker in the league a couple of decent defenders a couple of decent midfielders.. even without additions, given time pards will improve them seeing as we are obviously going to be bringing in more players then.... ask yourself, do you think our better players and the manager is on par with the likes of wycombe, exeter, yeovil, southend and brighton.. I know we have work to do but come on...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Huddersfield are up there with Millwall and Leeds as one of the better teams in this league. Let's not get too downhearted, although we do need more players to strengthen the team, it is early days yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 we have probably the best manager in the league.. easily the best keeper in the league easily the best striker in the league a couple of decent defenders a couple of decent midfielders.. even without additions, given time pards will improve them seeing as we are obviously going to be bringing in more players then.... ask yourself, do you think our better players and the manager is on par with the likes of wycombe, exeter, yeovil, southend and brighton.. I know we have work to do but come on...... I think we have -9 points and no evidence yet of enough quality players throughout the team to do anything yet other than relegate. IF we bring in more players and stick with AP - which is highly likely - then yes we may be OK. But, forget about a playoff place! At this moment in time however the facts are that our team is not good enough for League 1 - it is League 2 standard and has been since December. League 2 quality players cannot be brought up to League 1 players by a good manager... if you're crap, you're crap. Simples. But, I agree TDDs, AP will get reinforcements, just I think he needs 5-6, but he's only asking for 2-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I think we have -9 points and no evidence yet of enough quality players throughout the team to do anything yet other than relegate. IF we bring in more players and stick with AP - which is highly likely - then yes we may be OK. But, forget about a playoff place! At this moment in time however the facts are that our team is not good enough for League 1 - it is League 2 standard and has been since December. League 2 quality players cannot be brought up to League 1 players by a good manager... if you're crap, you're crap. Simples. But, I agree TDDs, AP will get reinforcements, just I think he needs 5-6, but he's only asking for 2-3. what a load of bollix... I really do not know how you can come to that conclusion after two games I have read some shyt in my time and typed some shyt but that so called fact is laughable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 we have probably the best manager in the league.. easily the best keeper in the league easily the best striker in the league a couple of decent defenders a couple of decent midfielders.. even without additions, given time pards will improve them seeing as we are obviously going to be bringing in more players then.... ask yourself, do you think our better players and the manager is on par with the likes of wycombe, exeter, yeovil, southend and brighton.. I know we have work to do but come on...... When did we sign Beckford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 what a load of bollix... I really do not know how you can come to that conclusion after two games I have read some shyt in my time and typed some shyt but that so called fact is laughable... Can you not read properly? The fact is we have -9 points and loads of **** players. IF (and I agree with you that this IS likely) we get reinforcements AP has a chance of keeping us up. Meantime on current form it will take exactly 18 games to reach zero points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 When did we sign Beckford? I was on about lambert, you know, 3 goals in 3 games this season joint top scorer in the league last season..top scorer in league football in total last season.. take it beckford is better than that then..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Can you not read properly? The fact is we have -9 points and loads of **** players. IF (and I agree with you that this IS likely) we get reinforcements AP has a chance of keeping us up. Meantime on current form it will take exactly 18 games to reach zero points! do you reckon we will be fighting to stay up approaching the last 5 games of the season..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I think we have -9 points and no evidence yet of enough quality players throughout the team to do anything yet other than relegate. IF we bring in more players and stick with AP - which is highly likely - then yes we may be OK. But, forget about a playoff place! At this moment in time however the facts are that our team is not good enough for League 1 - it is League 2 standard and has been since December. League 2 quality players cannot be brought up to League 1 players by a good manager... if you're crap, you're crap. Simples. But, I agree TDDs, AP will get reinforcements, just I think he needs 5-6, but he's only asking for 2-3. Can't agree with that Robbie. Our team is good enough to stay up - but it's not yet good enough to be competitive enough to challenge in the top end. Davis/Harding/Lambert/Morgan/Murts/Rasiak Thomas (maybe) - would walk into 90% of teams in this league...and im sure Gillet/Saga/Bart would make the starting line up in most... All we are lacking at the moment is a blend, the right blend. I'd agree and say that we need to drop Adam at the moment and bring him back into a confident team. If we bring in one of the midfielders and defenders we've been linked with...and add some width on the flanks, then we'll be able to challenge. We're not league 2 quality though.....we walked over Northampton without breaking sweat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 do you reckon we will be fighting to stay up approaching the last 5 games of the season..? No. I think 19th place is about right if AP gets 2-3 players now and 2-3 more in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I was on about lambert, you know, 3 goals in 3 games this season joint top scorer in the league last season..top scorer in league football in total last season.. take it beckford is better than that then..? Beckford played 42 times for Leeds last season, he scored 34. Think 27 came in the League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Can you not read properly? The fact is we have -9 points and loads of **** players. IF (and I agree with you that this IS likely) we get reinforcements AP has a chance of keeping us up. Meantime on current form it will take exactly 18 games to reach zero points! Kelvin Davis? Dan Harding? Graeme Murty? Rickie Lambert? Our players are not ****. How can you say we have a load of **** players. That is not rational thought. We are League One now, not Premiership, we have a better squad than most teams in this division. Two games into the season and already we are witnessing the negativity us Saints fans are becoming known for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Can't agree with that Robbie. Our team is good enough to stay up - but it's not yet good enough to be competitive enough to challenge in the top end. Davis/Harding/Lambert/Morgan/Murts/Rasiak Thomas (maybe) - would walk into 90% of teams in this league...and im sure Gillet/Saga/Bart would make the starting line up in most... All we are lacking at the moment is a blend, the right blend. I'd agree and say that we need to drop Adam at the moment and bring him back into a confident team. If we bring in one of the midfielders and defenders we've been linked with...and add some width on the flanks, then we'll be able to challenge. We're not league 2 quality though.....we walked over Northampton without breaking sweat.... You may be correct, and I think you are if I am honest. But, AP wont get his reinforcement if we all accept our players MIGHT be good enough. There is enough doubt to imply they simply are not with -9 points and one point from 2 games. As I say unless imprvements are made it will take us 18 games to reach zero points! AP needs reinforcements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Two games into the season and already we are witnessing the negativity us Saints fans are becoming known for. un-farking-real really I dont know how many times pards has said the season has started 2-3 weeks too soon for us and our build up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Kelvin Davis? Dan Harding? Graeme Murty? Rickie Lambert? Our players are not ****. How can you say we have a load of **** players. That is not rational thought. We are League One now, not Premiership, we have a better squad than most teams in this division. Two games into the season and already we are witnessing the negativity us Saints fans are becoming known for. Sorry... 4 good players and 18 risky ones. DOH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Beckford played 42 times for Leeds last season, he scored 34. Think 27 came in the League. so, was lambert not the football leagues top scorer last season and joint top scorer in the league (with cox who has joind WBA).. am I wrong here..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 un-farking-real really I dont know how many times pards has said the season has started 2-3 weeks too soon for us and our build up.. Good point TDDs to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 You may be correct, and I think you are if I am honest. But, AP wont get his reinforcement if we all accept our players MIGHT be good enough. There is enough doubt to imply they simply are not with -9 points and one point from 2 games. As I say unless imprvements are made it will take us 18 games to reach zero points! AP needs reinforcements. I agree that we need improvements and reinforcements - and pard's will do that, he's not silly enough to expect this current squad to achieve our targets. We're lacking leaders down the spine and as i keep saying!!! pace down the flanks (and up front if im being picky). I think we're 3-4 players and 3-4 months from being a real force in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 No. I think 19th place is about right if AP gets 2-3 players now and 2-3 more in January. LOL unreal, I will remember this thread when we are sat in midtable come January I say this confidently as we have the best manager in the league, the best striker in the league, the best keeper in the league, some decent players who will get better and no doubt will be added to with more additions now and in Jan... sure we will lose again like we did sat but I bet we win more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I agree that we need improvements and reinforcements - and pard's will do that, he's not silly enough to expect this current squad to achieve our targets. We're lacking leaders down the spine and as i keep saying!!! pace down the flanks (and up front if im being picky). I think we're 3-4 players and 3-4 months from being a real force in this league. Agreed. But, lets not assume that AP will get his players and remind Marcus AP needs those reinforcements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I agree that we need improvements and reinforcements - and pard's will do that, he's not silly enough to expect this current squad to achieve our targets. We're lacking leaders down the spine and as i keep saying!!! pace down the flanks (and up front if im being picky). I think we're 3-4 players and 3-4 months from being a real force in this league. I dont think we do lack leaders at all...just a couple of players..like wingers and a CB Kelvin - captain Murty - ex captain Perry - ex captain Thomas - ex captain Wotton - ex captain to a team that won this league Lambert - experienced in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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