trousers Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 (edited) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8225941.stm Uefa plans to curb clubs' debts Uefa president Michel Platini has vowed to bring in regulations that ensure football clubs manage their finances so they "live within their means". Rules not in place until 2012 so I wonder if they will apply retrospectively, such that clubs like Notts County get pulled up for what they are doing 'today'....? Edited 28 August, 2009 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Dont these 'rules' already apply to L2 teams - read something about L2 sides only being able to spend 70% of revenue? Begs the questions how Notts County are signing Sol Campbell and Sven but hey ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Serious problems for Real Madrid then. Doubt if it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 All a bit late though... Whats stopping these ultra rich clubs forming their own competitions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 (edited) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8225941.stm Uefa plans to curb clubs' debts Uefa president Michel Platini has vowed to bring in regulations that ensure football clubs manage their finances so they "live within their means". Rules not in place until 2012 so I wonder if they will apply retrospectively, such that clubs like Notts County get pulled up for what they are doing 'today'....? Apart from the Wilde years SFC have always lived within their means that is probably why we have not been successful recently but it is quite ironic really that the only time we did overspend it led to administration. At least that wont happen again now and hopefully the club will prosper both on and off the field Edited 28 August, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Dont these 'rules' already apply to L2 teams - read something about L2 sides only being able to spend 70% of revenue? Begs the questions how Notts County are signing Sol Campbell and Sven but hey ho It's actually 60% but they've got around it because Sven and Campbell have been "donated" by their owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 (edited) Fine stopping the clubs. But what about the greedy players and their excessive wage demands and signing on fee's. Dont they also make clubs live above they're means Mr Platini ? Edited 28 August, 2009 by SOTONS EAST SIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Fine stopping the clubs. But what about the greedy players and their excessive wage demands and signing on fee's. Dont they also make clubs live above they're means Mr Platini ? Good point. Until silly wages are curbed it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 According to "The Sun" Roman is agreeing with Platini so that Man City can't do what Chelsea have already done. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2610847/Rom-plots-to-KO-spending.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Serious problems for Real Madrid then. Doubt if it will happen. TBH I heard an interview with the former President of Real on 5Live and the splurge of spending on Ronaldo and Kaka was financed from a warchest of money that the club had accumulated - around £150 million. Further players were being purchased with debt but the situation for many continental clubs is not as bad as the PL, in part because they aggressively market their own rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 It's actually 60% but they've got around it because Sven and Campbell have been "donated" by their owner. I've also heard that the owners of Notts County had to provide a bond that ensures the salaries of Sven and Campbell are paid by them in the unlikely event of them selling up so the club is protected from Gary Kelly syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 I've also heard that the owners of Notts County had to provide a bond that ensures the salaries of Sven and Campbell are paid by them in the unlikely event of them selling up so the club is protected from Gary Kelly syndrome. Or Robbie Fowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Part of me thinks its a good idea, if teams in the country had to put more on developing there own players. Part scares me though, and that is the big four generate a world-wide income that none can compete with, and that would pretty much secure them in the top four. I do think that the dept is bad for clubs but think the soloution may be alot more complex, for example a euro wide salary cap, I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 A salary cap has been in place for years in Rugby League with points deducted for team who break it. A few teams have in the past and paid the price points wise but seem to have learnt their lesson. It has not detracted at all from the game, it is still possible to have high profile overseas players in the game but it has levelled the playing field a lot. Tomorrow is the Challenge Cup Final and it is a final which would probably not have happened 5 years ago, Warrington v Huddersfileld. There are also a lot of very good young British players coming through as well and a lot of teams including Leeds, Wigan and St Helens are placing a lot of emphasis on this and hopefully in 2-3 years the GB team will be able to compete with Australia who aside from losing the WC to New Zealand last year have dominated for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 How can say markus agrees... How do you know we are living in our means I mean we have sagga, we I stantly doubled lamberts wages. I bet Harding is on few bob then you hve Thomas. No doubt lallana is on a nice sum we just don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 A salary cap has been in place for years in Rugby League with points deducted for team who break it. A few teams have in the past and paid the price points wise but seem to have learnt their lesson. It has not detracted at all from the game, it is still possible to have high profile overseas players in the game but it has levelled the playing field a lot. Tomorrow is the Challenge Cup Final and it is a final which would probably not have happened 5 years ago, Warrington v Huddersfileld. There are also a lot of very good young British players coming through as well and a lot of teams including Leeds, Wigan and St Helens are placing a lot of emphasis on this and hopefully in 2-3 years the GB team will be able to compete with Australia who aside from losing the WC to New Zealand last year have dominated for years. Correct!! The problem with football is that the Premier League is not the only high profile league in the Northern Hemisphere. If we introduced one unilaterally, the top players would only go off to Spain or Italy to get their over inflated wages. If UEFA and FIFA impose a wage cap Europe and world wide, well all well and good but certain teams are starting from such a high platform that the rest would never be able to catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 And it is this move by Platini that will spark the end of clubs like United, City, Chelsea, Real playing in there domestic leagues. A new european league here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Good point. Until silly wages are curbed it won't happen. If clubs are limited in how much they can offer then the players will have to downgrade their expectations. The silly money is being asked because the clubs will pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Plus I'd like to add that it most probably will not happen. A middle ground will be found that will end up looking like nothing because Platini doesn't have the balls. If he does pluck up the courage to do something he'll just be made to look very stupid by the new European Super League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Plus I'd like to add that it most probably will not happen. A middle ground will be found that will end up looking like nothing because Platini doesn't have the balls. If he does pluck up the courage to do something he'll just be made to look very stupid by the new European Super League. A new ESL would still have to be sanctioned by the governing bodies and therefore still have to play by their rules. But as you say, there will be some lilly livered compromise deal that in effect will be no change from what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 It's actually 60% but they've got around it because Sven and Campbell have been "donated" by their owner. Is that right? Very sneeky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Serious problems for Real Madrid then. Doubt if it will happen. In the past five months when Blatter & Platini have consistantly critiscised English clubs about their ownership and spending at no time have they allowed the same critisism on clubs like Real Madrid & Barcelona who over the past years have done exactly the same as Chelsea, Man City etc. Its one rule for them and a different rule for the foreign teams. They just don't like English teams dominating the champions league season after season, that is what is really behind this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 How can say markus agrees... How do you know we are living in our means I mean we have sagga, we I stantly doubled lamberts wages. I bet Harding is on few bob then you hve Thomas. No doubt lallana is on a nice sum we just don't know We can't be sure I guess, but given we're not servicing the mortgage or overdraft any more I'd be suprised if we're not breaking even. Not sure what the figures were for those two debts from the accounts, I'm sure someone has them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 This proposal is completely unworkable as it is open to abuse by rich owners. For instance Saints could offer a season ticket for the seat above the clock on the halfway line for £20million pounds per year. clearly if ML wanted to invest lots of money into the clubfor players he could buy that ticket for the said amount. The league wouldnt be able to impose a cap on season ticket prices without being open to price fixing rules. There could be loads of legal loopholes allowing rich owners toi pump money (revenue ) into a club it it wanted too. farfetched I kow but the prinicple is right that any revenue cap is open to abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 alot of these clubs are privately owned.. i cant see how platini (who his organisations INVITES clubs to take part) can impose things clubs dont want... without the clubs, he and his organisation are, well..nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 A new ESL would still have to be sanctioned by the governing bodies and therefore still have to play by their rules. But as you say, there will be some lilly livered compromise deal that in effect will be no change from what we have now. how would it... if say, the top 10 clubsin europe wanted to do a super league..who do think the TV revenue will follow..UEFA or the break away clubs..? without the clubs the governing bodies are nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 alot of these clubs are privately owned.. i cant see how platini (who his organisations INVITES clubs to take part) can impose things clubs dont want... without the clubs, he and his organisation are, well..nothing Spot on. Can you really see Real Madrid & co allowing UEFA to look at their books, I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 I can't see anything good coming from this. It will make the strong stronger and the weak unable to dream of competing. It will effectively "fix" all clubs to their position in the hierachy now...The Wigans of this world who climb up the ranks to join the top division will cease. Of course Chelski want the rules changed now as they already "bought" their place in the top 4 and don't want that threatened by Man City, Aston Villa, Notts Co...Saints? who all have wealthy owners who, if they have the desire, could purchase that place at Chelsea's expense. IMO opinion they are free enterprises and should be allowed to stand and fall based on their own decisions, merits and if they can convince a wealthy benefactor to give them shed loads of cash then good on them. If Mr Platini wants to make it fair why not a fixed maximum amount on wages for the entire squad which is the same for every team, not according to their revenue? Therefore Notts Co can have the same wage bill as Man U should they desire (And find the cash) but not more! Or even "nationalise" the whole of European football taking in all revenue generated from TV etc and then distribute that evenly amongst all the teams involved, Thus eliminating the need for fear of dropping out of the premier league, allowing Rangers and Celtic to compete on a more even playing field.... By the way I don't think Notts co will be worried by the threat of being abnned from the champions league for a few years yet so as long as they have done all their spedning by the time they get out of the championship they should be ok! I do not believe that Mr Platini will do anything other than placate the big teams in the end as he appear to me to just seek popularity by making statements that pander to the jealous feelings from those without a significant investor, whilst actually not amking any real difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 how would it... if say, the top 10 clubsin europe wanted to do a super league..who do think the TV revenue will follow..UEFA or the break away clubs..? without the clubs the governing bodies are nothing UEFA maybe but not FIFA. If FIFA did not sanction it they could ban any club or player playing for those clubs from taking place in any their competitions. Therefore all players coaches and officials would have to say goodbye to any international ambitions and any career after their contracts/employment with the breakaway clubs has expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 And it is this move by Platini that will spark the end of clubs like United, City, Chelsea, Real playing in there domestic leagues. A new european league here we come. We can only hope, id love the prem without the big 4 and Man City. Perhaps then we could see any team in the league challenging for the title. I dont think the fans of those clubs would be happy about playing euro ties week in week out, neither would the clubs as some could easily go a decade without winning anything when they are used to silverware every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 We can only hope, id love the prem without the big 4 and Man City. Perhaps then we could see any team in the league challenging for the title. I dont think the fans of those clubs would be happy about playing euro ties week in week out, neither would the clubs as some could easily go a decade without winning anything when they are used to silverware every year. It would be shocking without the top 4. It really would. It would become rather pointless and play 2nd fiddle to the new league. Just like the Championship does now to the prem. Without the top 4. The league would encourage more winners yes, but only because the quality would have gone down, not because any new winners deserved it. Attention/funding/tv would all go to the new league and the Prem would become rather boring compared to what it is now. Yeah it would be great for us, that we'd have more chance of success but the success wouldn't have the same rewards in any way than it does now. Financially, emotionally, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 (edited) UEFA maybe but not FIFA. If FIFA did not sanction it they could ban any club or player playing for those clubs from taking place in any their competitions. Therefore all players coaches and officials would have to say goodbye to any international ambitions and any career after their contracts/employment with the breakaway clubs has expired. how can they ban something they dont control...are they going to stop all TV revenue to the private companies that these clubs are now..? what will FIFA do...stop England, Italy, Spain, Germany from entering the world cup..? I very much doubt it.. without the clubs even FIFA is nothing.. it is about time people liek Platini shut the **** up....what has he done that is so great...brought in the brilliant Europa League....exciting Edited 28 August, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 if UEFA does this the big clubs will simply step out of UEFA and form their own International organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 It's actually 60% but they've got around it because Sven and Campbell have been "donated" by their owner. They got around it but not in the way you suggest (according to my source close to NC) ! Basically, Sven is not included in the 60% as he is not a player and Sol has been given a 5 year contract which he will probably not conclude but which will no doubt be paid in full when he leaves !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 if UEFA does this the big clubs will simply step out of UEFA and form their own International organization. Like they where going to do in F1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Serious problems for Real Madrid then. Doubt if it will happen. Agreed. This will never ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 I can't see how a European league would make one bit of difference to myself or any Saints fans. We are never going to be in it and the only time I watch the big 4 is on the telly. I'll just be watching them on the telly against a foreign team instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Fine stopping the clubs. But what about the greedy players and their excessive wage demands and signing on fee's. Dont they also make clubs live above they're means Mr Platini ? Blame this man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 I can't see how a European league would make one bit of difference to myself or any Saints fans. We are never going to be in it and the only time I watch the big 4 is on the telly. I'll just be watching them on the telly against a foreign team instead. Let them sod off, is what I say because in the end fans of English/British football want to watch english/british teams. I'd far rather watch Aston Villa v Sunderland than some load of foreign teams, I mean there is 2 euro teams on tonight and frankly I cant be arsed to watch because I just am not interested, so if Sky think we will pay big buck for a euro league they will sadly be mistaken. With a bit of luck it will happen and the rest of us can watch english football on TV. At the same time UEFA & FIFA should ban any player that do break away from playing with their national teams, that may stop a few player going to the league as they will not be able to compete at the world cup etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 I can't see how a European league would make one bit of difference to myself or any Saints fans. We are never going to be in it and the only time I watch the big 4 is on the telly. I'll just be watching them on the telly against a foreign team instead. Yeah, but I like many on here, support Man Utd as my second team and Chelsea as my third team, so it'd make a lot of difference to me especially as hopefully I'd get to see those guys play against my forth team (Real Madrid) a bit more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 28 August, 2009 Share Posted 28 August, 2009 Dont these 'rules' already apply to L2 teams - read something about L2 sides only being able to spend 70% of revenue? Begs the questions how Notts County are signing Sol Campbell and Sven but hey ho something to do with if a benifactor... for example if he gives them 500k just for wages this is allowed... etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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