S-Clarke Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1807314,00.html quite revealing by Pard's - first manager we've had in years who's so open about our training ground attitudes. I'd imagine training was like that after our few wins last season. Jesus, we were run by clowns. Hopefully Pard's does stamp it out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 But we don't know what training was like or what was said to players do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 But we don't know what training was like or what was said to players do we? You'll saying anything ridiculous to defend your beloved Rupert........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 (edited) But we don't know what training was like or what was said to players do we? I dont think it is possible to be impartial on this forum. You have to be anti Lowe and not suggest alternatives to the suggestion that Pardew is always right and other managers that we have had are useless Edited 24 September, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 But we don't know what training was like or what was said to players do we? correct BUT we do know what performances were like still proof of AP's words will be on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 I dont think it is possible to be impartial on this forum. That works BOTH ways............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 That works BOTH ways............ I totally agree mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 It would explain why we have hardly been able to string more than a couple of wins together over the last 3 years but of course, we do have a lot of new players this season and if it's any of them then the argument is not so valid. Maybe because AP told KD he was the best captain he'd worked with, KD didn't see the need to give the rest a kick up the @rse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 You'll saying anything ridiculous to defend your beloved Rupert........... You really are obsessed with him aren't you? Where do I say anything about Lowe? My comment was that we do not know what was said or what happened between players and management in previous training sessions do we? Where does Lowe come into it unless he was taking training???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 You really are obsessed with him aren't you? Where do I say anything about Lowe? My comment was that we do not know what was said or what happened between players and management in previous training sessions do we? Where does Lowe come into it unless he was taking training???? not that old chestnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 correct BUT we do know what performances were like still proof of AP's words will be on the pitch Indeed, but we are still hardly setting the world alight are we? But I can't believe that Redknapp, Burley, JP and Wotte didn't give the players a kick in the arse. Just because we don't read about it on the OS doesn't mean it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Indeed, but we are still hardly setting the world alight are we? But I can't believe that Redknapp, Burley, JP and Wotte didn't give the players a kick in the arse. Just because we don't read about it on the OS doesn't mean it didn't happen. I suppose the first one did not care the second one , if you believe the rumours, was not sober the last two thought we were doing ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Isn't it about time that we stopped arguing about the Lowe regime and moved on. Some people are so obsessive ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Isn't it about time that we stopped arguing about the Lowe regime and moved on. Some people are so obsessive ! it is always nice to know people who can see their own faults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Isn't it about time that we stopped arguing about the Lowe regime and moved on. Some people are so obsessive ! Oh, the irony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 You really are obsessed with him aren't you? Where do I say anything about Lowe? My comment was that we do not know what was said or what happened between players and management in previous training sessions do we? Where does Lowe come into it unless he was taking training???? Pot, Kettle, Black. At least I had the courage to name my obsession. First step to being cured of something is accepting there is an issue. So I am one step ahead of you. Actually, the first step is having a Swiss billionaire come in and buy full ownership, thus ensuring this time round that said individual is consigned to the anals of history once-and-for-all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Alpine in starting an argument out of nothing shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Isn't it about time that we stopped arguing about the Lowe regime and moved on. Some people are so obsessive ! Oh, the irony... Actually, I took it for deliberate self-parody on Dalek's part. Never thought he had it in him, mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Isn't it about time that we stopped arguing about the Lowe regime and moved on. Some people are so obsessive ! At the same time perhaps we could drop the old Glenda Hoddle rimming fest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Is it me or is nearly every thread looking the same these days? You only need to read the first post because you can gurantee the posts after that will be people *****ing about something or another..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Isn't it about time that we stopped arguing about the Lowe regime and moved on. Some people are so obsessive ! Have you been going to your Hoddles Anonymous meetings at last? :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 it is always nice to know people who can see their own faults But sadly there are ones who can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 In the full interview Pardew said "the fans are great but I'm sure they will lose faith in us at some point because we are not that good" - WTF??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 24 September, 2009 Share Posted 24 September, 2009 Overall the good thing from this is the fans are at least getting a glimpse of what Pardew's thoughts are. We don't know what happened in previous training sessions - so there is no point arguing over it. Good to hear that Pardew is trying to instill the winning mentality into the team. Hopefully we will see a team this weak busting a gut to take 3 points from Carlisle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 There are a few of us who have argued, both here and in other places, that the attitude amongst the players have been unacceptable in the past. We said this before AP came in, and were delighted that he immediately spotted what seemed clear to us at the time. Players laughing and joking with their mates after leaving SMS after another loss; players being out celebrating on a Saturday with nothing to celebrate; coaches excusing the losses; academy bosses claiming that winning is not important; I could go on. Being a professional footballer has got one single purpose, which is to win games of football. When that is forgotten and we still notice the jolly japes with the girlies and the sports cars and the nightclubs, the waitresses handbags, drunkenness and fighting on the streets, etc. the whole enterprise has lost its purpose. I am delighted that AP object strongly to the nonsense and sees it as an obstacle to progress, because that is what it is. It will, I'm sure, be rooted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 There are a few of us who have argued, both here and in other places, that the attitude amongst the players have been unacceptable in the past. We said this before AP came in, and were delighted that he immediately spotted what seemed clear to us at the time. Players laughing and joking with their mates after leaving SMS after another loss; players being out celebrating on a Saturday with nothing to celebrate; coaches excusing the losses; academy bosses claiming that winning is not important; I could go on. Being a professional footballer has got one single purpose, which is to win games of football. When that is forgotten and we still notice the jolly japes with the girlies and the sports cars and the nightclubs, the waitresses handbags, drunkenness and fighting on the streets, etc. the whole enterprise has lost its purpose. I am delighted that AP object strongly to the nonsense and sees it as an obstacle to progress, because that is what it is. It will, I'm sure, be rooted out. Quite right. Some of these players have got off lightly and I like to see a manager kicking backside if required. I think some of the younger players have got away with lacklustre performances in the past but clearly Pardew is stating that this sort of attitude is unacceptable. Good on him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Just read the article on the Echo website. It particularly refers to the younger players. So its got to mean the likes of Lallana and Schneiderlin, in my opinion. The regular youngsters, since they are the ones who played. Just confirms my attitude about their mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Just read the article on the Echo website. It particularly refers to the younger players. So its got to mean the likes of Lallana and Schneiderlin, in my opinion. The regular youngsters, since they are the ones who played. Just confirms my attitude about their mentality. No real facts there to confirm anything in my opinion ... thank chr1st you're not a judge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 But we don't know what training was like or what was said to players do we? So do you suppose that compacency in training is something that is a new thing, just making it's appearance under Pardew? If you agree that compacency did precede Pardew (and I think we all know something was seriously wrong), then it doesn't appear to have been dealt with successfully before, does it. So were the previous managements clowns or just plain inadequate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Just read the article on the Echo website. It particularly refers to the younger players. So its got to mean the likes of Lallana and Schneiderlin, in my opinion. The regular youngsters, since they are the ones who played. Just confirms my attitude about their mentality. Why not Lloyd James, or Paterson, or Gillett, or Mills, or Mellis???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint stu 20 Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 i find it amazing how the players who are constantly out on the lash are the ones pardew doesnt play! fair play to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 I think he may be putting pressure on all the players to get a result in an away game at Carlisle without p*ssing off his senior players. Last week was about taking pressure off the players in a home game they were expected to win. Like him or not, he's not passive, he's a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 i find it amazing how the players who are constantly out on the lash are the ones pardew doesnt play! fair play to him! Maybe they are out on the lash because they don't get played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint stu 20 Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 some of who do play are on the lash solidly, personally i think they should save it until after they whole team wins at a weekend! too much of that culture that if we win lose or draw its a night out on the beers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Why not Lloyd James, or Paterson, or Gillett, or Mills, or Mellis???? Not all are team regulars, and not all of them played against Yeovil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 I think he may be putting pressure on all the players to get a result in an away game at Carlisle without p*ssing off his senior players. Last week was about taking pressure off the players in a home game they were expected to win. Like him or not, he's not passive, he's a manager. I think his comments should have been kept private perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 I think his comments should have been kept private perhaps Not sure what you mean - I haven't seen his actual comments only that some players were complacent and he let them know that wasn't acceptable. Its about bloody time we had a manager that lets the players know what he expects. If said players are worth anything then they will respond in the right way if not then fook off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Not sure what you mean - I haven't seen his actual comments only that some players were complacent and he let them know that wasn't acceptable. Its about bloody time we had a manager that lets the players know what he expects. If said players are worth anything then they will respond in the right way if not then fook off! I completely agree with what you are saying about attitudes not being acceptable but I dont think the comments should have been made public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 I completely agree with what you are saying about attitudes not being acceptable but I dont think the comments should have been made public My point is - what comments & to which players? Now if there were comments directed at an individual or two that go beyond what has been made public then I would likely agree with you but beyond complacency & attitude there's not a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 I completely agree with what you are saying about attitudes not being acceptable but I dont think the comments should have been made public Why not? If the players play crap we lose and then are spotted out on the **** would the anti brigade not come in saying he should take a stand? The way i read it he is simply saying the players have not been responsible and that it is obviously something that has happened here for awhile. Which let's be honest has happened here for awhile. If he thinks that they should behave better then they are then i tend to agree. These people are on a lot of money, we have given money to people who performed rarely for this club of which contributed to us being where we were. If they now realise that every training session and every time they are out they are to be proffesional and failure to be so could result in them no longer playing for us then surely that has to be seen as a very positive thing? We no longer have to make do with what we got, if players arn't up to the level expected them they will be shipped out. So i 100% agree with him and making t public makes people realise what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Why not? If the players play crap we lose and then are spotted out on the **** would the anti brigade not come in saying he should take a stand? The way i read it he is simply saying the players have not been responsible and that it is obviously something that has happened here for awhile. Which let's be honest has happened here for awhile. If he thinks that they should behave better then they are then i tend to agree. These people are on a lot of money, we have given money to people who performed rarely for this club of which contributed to us being where we were. If they now realise that every training session and every time they are out they are to be proffesional and failure to be so could result in them no longer playing for us then surely that has to be seen as a very positive thing? We no longer have to make do with what we got, if players arn't up to the level expected them they will be shipped out. So i 100% agree with him and making t public makes people realise what is happening. I dont disagree in anyway about Pardew laying the law down but I dont think it is good for team morale to go public thats all - things said and done in the changing room should be private Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Dear Alpine, I'm afraid you don't know much about French football,the managers would crucify a player who drinks, it just isn't in their culture to go out and get drunk . Lads drink coffee together or have a meal with mineral water,not booze. I lived and worked in France and had an auberge where the local lads came after football and never did I see one of them out of line they were polite and didn't need to get tanked up to have a good night,they actually talked to each other....these were not pansies they were tough boys who looked after themselves because they wouldn't get picked for the team if they were not in peak condition. Sadly it is a British thing that nothing can be enjoyed unless you are p****d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 I dont disagree in anyway about Pardew laying the law down but I dont think it is good for team morale to go public thats all - things said and done in the changing room should be private Since quite a few of us have considered the lack of a winning mentality for a long time it would be madness for AP to keep it quiet. What on earth for? This is one of the attractive traits of the new regime. Some openness and honesty. Hallelujah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Dear Alpine, I'm afraid you don't know much about French football,the managers would crucify a player who drinks, it just isn't in their culture to go out and get drunk . Lads drink coffee together or have a meal with mineral water,not booze. I lived and worked in France and had an auberge where the local lads came after football and never did I see one of them out of line they were polite and didn't need to get tanked up to have a good night,they actually talked to each other....these were not pansies they were tough boys who looked after themselves because they wouldn't get picked for the team if they were not in peak condition. Sadly it is a British thing that nothing can be enjoyed unless you are p****d. Whatever :rolleyes: the report refers to attitude problems and complaicency, not drinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 September, 2009 This thread has gone a bit off tangent.... i thought it was quite interesting what pard's was saying, and im not sure why apline has to be ripped apart for every thing he says? Fair enough sometimes he's your glass empty type fella but what's caused the backlash this time? FWIW i understand that training was playtime last year, learn how to play pass and move football, that was it. Very little application or concentration on specific opponents. The players last year were built up into wonder kids, and i fully believe that Pard's was referring to the likes of Morgan and Lallana as the players with complacency - for me, they were the big culprits in games last year after we'd won 1 or 2....also McGoldrick was another. They all felt they were too big for their boots, so I'm glad we actually have someone around here now that's spotted that and is sorting this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 If you want to be the best, you have to behave like the best, to think like the best and to be serious about what you do, even if you aren't the best. Instilling good, winning, mental attitudes now will stand us in good stead and set the basis for a successful club in future seasons. You can't **** about and expect to be the best. You can't get away with that nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 If you want to be the best, you have to behave like the best, to think like the best and to be serious about what you do, even if you aren't the best. Instilling good, winning, mental attitudes now will stand us in good stead and set the basis for a successful club in future seasons. You can't **** about and expect to be the best. You can't get away with that nowadays. Its called being professional! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Since quite a few of us have considered the lack of a winning mentality for a long time it would be madness for AP to keep it quiet. What on earth for? This is one of the attractive traits of the new regime. Some openness and honesty. Hallelujah! The object of a good manager is to inspire his players not please the fans. I may be wrong but I dont think it is a good idea to in effect to rubbish your players in public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 Pardew's comments are really quite worrying. It suggests to me that he is losing the dressing room especially if he is too partisan and has favourites who can do no wrong whilst others who can do no right. The classic case is Simon Gillett, reliable stalwart last year and a shoe-in for the new Scholes. Now suddenly he can't even get on the bench. Gradually all our young ex-Academy players have been sidelined in favour of the blokes that Pardew has brought in; Jaidi apart can anybody say hand on heart that we are any better for it. The football has deteriorated that's for sure and results are certainly no better than last season's. No wonder the guys are getting hacked off, sort of been-there, done-that frustration as the new methods seem to them just to be different rather than more effective. Also, Pardew's frankness may signal that he really is under pressure from up above to deliver so best to start blaming the players before the **** hits the fan and he has no where to hide... Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 25 September, 2009 Share Posted 25 September, 2009 The object of a good manager is to inspire his players not please the fans. I may be wrong but I dont think it is a good idea to in effect to rubbish your players in public Maybe it sends a message to the world that Saints are no longer that club which lets you get paid for doing nothing? Maybe those who are trying hard keep being let down by those who would rather **** about? As stated before think it is the right thing to do. He makes it clear those types of things will not be tolerated here without saying names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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