Scummer Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Last night in the fourth minute of injury time one of our players broke into their area and went down. Couldn't see who it was, as I was at the other end. Our players were insistent that it was a penalty. 30 seconds later they scored their winner. How different things could have been....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 He was pulled back by his shirt, ref bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Still like to know where 5mins injury time came from, having said that i wouldn't have been bothered if we had scored then just annoyed because they did, double standards and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 The ref also bottled sending off their player for that two footed tackle too. And quite where he found that 5 minutes of extra time from too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 The ref also bottled sending off their player for that two footed tackle too. And quite where he found that 5 minutes of extra time from too... Blatant penalty, straight red by the letter of their OWN law and indeed, 5 minutes? WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simples Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 30 seconds are added per goal. 30 seconds are added per substitution. How many goals and subs were made in the second half? How many times did either physio come on. Any time wasting? It all adds up. As was said earlier, a shame they scored so late, but if we had scored.... Simples :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 The ref also bottled sending off their player for that two footed tackle too. And quite where he found that 5 minutes of extra time from too... That tackle was shocking, saw that from the kingsland, the guy went straight in on him, studds up. Hammond was lucky. I've seen weaker tackles get red cards tbf. I don't like blaming the ref, as i think it's our fault we lost it - but he was weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Ref was poor but we have to get used to it. The first half tackle on Hammond was not only late but just below the knee from where I sat and the Ref bottled it then and got a lot wrong afterwards. However it was not him who missed the sitters and cannot do even basic defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 poorest ref I've seen. My only reason I can think he played 5mins extra time was due to Rovers long celebrations after thier second goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Ref was poor but we have to get used to it. The first half tackle on Hammond was not only late but just below the knee from where I sat and the Ref bottled it then and got a lot wrong afterwards. However it was not him who missed the sitters and cannot do even basic defending. No, agreed. But on the other hand, referees and linesmens' decisions do have the potential to change games. What would have been the outcome had their player been sent off? I'm pretty sure that a ball was out on the right and should have been a throw in. From the resultant play in the few minutes afterwards, they equalised the second time. We ought to have had a penalty before they scored their winner. As you say, we have to get used to the poor refereeing standards in this division. If they were better, they would be refereeing in the Premiership. One hopes that over the course of a season, the poor decisions agianst us will equal out with those for us. Otherwise, the poor standards are the biggest argument for the use of video evidence, which I would love to see myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 30 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Their first goal came from a bit of a dodgy decision as well, when the ref gave a free kick and booked Hammond for diving. We switched off for a few seconds there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Had the game been played before the manchester derby then i dont think we would have had 5mins injury time, i know the 30 seconds per sub etc but that is only ever wheeled out to justify time played, it never bears any resemblance to the games, and if we want to go down that route then we should have played at least an extra minute after they scored and not what seemed 10-15 seconds. The match didn't justify 5mins extra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Never a penalty. He ran through the two defenders and if anything it was a foul the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Had the game been played before the manchester derby then i dont think we would have had 5mins injury time, i know the 30 seconds per sub etc but that is only ever wheeled out to justify time played, it never bears any resemblance to the games, and if we want to go down that route then we should have played at least an extra minute after they scored and not what seemed 10-15 seconds. The match didn't justify 5mins extra But we should not be moaning about being given 5mins time at home - it should be us, as the home team that is lifted by that. but it had the opposite effect, the players seemd to panic and worry even more - rovers senseed that, and went for a throats time and time again in those 5 added mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Never a penalty. He ran through the two defenders and if anything it was a foul the other way. Disagree, it was right in front of me and you could clearly see Hammond's shirt was almost ripped off his back ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Disagree, it was right in front of me and you could clearly see Hammond's shirt was almost ripped off his back ! I was sat in the Chapel and honestly thought Hammond dived and was lucky not to get a card. A few minutes before though there was a handball that in the past I have seen given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Didn't we get lucky with an equalizer a full minute after the official injury time had expired on Saturday? Swings and roundabouts really, sometimes you get good decisions, sometimes bad. It's up to the team to make and take enough chances to mean that these sorts of decisions have little effect on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 When Hammond was chopped down we were even more disadvantaged by not having him on the field for the free kick, how can that be right, they injure our player, we're down to ten because he had to have treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Do we blame the ref after every game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Do we blame the ref after every game? Only when we lose or draw. But even then, the standard of refereeing in this division is dire, isn't it? Even worse than in the fizzy pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I think ref's have taken a leaf out of the recent Manchester derby & decided to do what the ref in that game did, ie: add 30 secs for a sub, goal celebrations, etc. Maybe they've all had a memo from the FA? You rarely saw more than 3 mins added before - on the odd occasion 4. The Carlisle fans booed at the end of the game last saturday because of all the added time the ref added-on - and Saints scoring at the death. Last night was the same - 5 added mins which DID make a difference to the outcome. I expect to see 5 mins being pretty much the norm from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Do we blame the ref after every game? No pardew... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Disagree, it was right in front of me and you could clearly see Hammond's shirt was almost ripped off his back ! That`s just how i saw it from same stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 They scored 5mins 13 seconds into injury time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Do we blame the ref after every game? Well you like to blame Pardew after every game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Well you like to blame Pardew after every game!! Well he is the common denominator mate. The ref's change...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Compared to the Colchester sending off, the challenge on Hammond was as straightforwardly red as they come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 On one occasion in the first half the ball went out 10 yards inside Rovers half, the rovers player eventually took it 10 yards into our half despite the appeals from the fans. Then in the second half Loyd James took a throwing and the ref stopped him and made him take it again a further 5 yards further forward. :confused: Similar thing happened when we had a free kick and made our player take it about 4ft away from where he was. Can someone clarify why Hammond got booked for diving in the first half ? Did he appeal for a penalty or just lose his footing ? As for the penalty in injury time, at first glance it looked like he was blatantly fouled. Perhaps we might see highlights on TV to show otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Do we blame the ref after every game?[/QUOTE] No, but if somebody starts a thread asking "do you think it was a penalty" ? and the incident happened directly in front of you, then you give your opinion ! That, at least is my understanding of how a forum works ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Inconsistency is inherent - how can a "shoulder barge" on Papa in the box, when the ball is still playable, be no foul, when the same offence is committed in the middle of the park by Trotman deemed so. They either both are, or both not. I know, refs have a tough time, but once you make a call, stick by that way for the rest of the 90 minutes (I suppose he did by not giving us a pen at all!). Incidentally, this will sound like a contradiction, but the Hammond "dive" (I couldn't see well enough if it was or not, sorry for the Wenger view) - this business with Eduardo has made it so difficult to referee a game and raised a good point. It is feasible that a player can "go to ground", without it being a dive or a free kick, the simple nature of physics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Can someone clarify why Hammond got booked for diving in the first half ? Did he appeal for a penalty or just lose his footing ? the ball ran away from him and he went down untouched. The ref intepreted that to be an attempt to win a free kick and booked him. It was in a dangerous area so you can see why the ref thought Hamond might be trying to con him. I'm not sure he was, but he certainly didn't try to stay on his feet. Mind you when you are at full pelt and the ball goes away from you, you do often kind of go to ground in desperation. Not sure I can fault the ref on that one. I don't think it ws a pen on Hammond or a handball either. Hammond was a little luck y not to get red as he dived in rashly (perhaps not getting much of the man though it was still a risky challenge) in the second half, but the ref played advantage and didn't go back. The tackle on Hammond looked a bad one to me and he could easily have gone IMO. All about the angle the ref saw it though. I've seen worse refs I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 one other lack of consistency came when Trottman went through there man and sent the ball 20 yards away - he clearly got the ball but the ref felt the strength of the tackle and the position it came from justified a free kick. This came about 20 seconds after a underhit ball to Lallana saw their fullback go through him at mach II and sent the ball 20 yards foward. He didn't really touch Lallana as AL avaded the tackle, but it was strong and from behind (a possible ankle breaker due tot he poor pass). Absolutely no difference in the two tackles IMO and in my outdated view of football both `solid' tackles. Amazingly poor refereeing though. If you can't be consistent over a 30 second period what chance over 96 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Well he is the common denominator mate. The ref's change...... They're all equally as bad in this division. Pardew may be the common denominator, but he isn't the reason we lost last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 They're all equally as bad in this division. Pardew may be the common denominator, but he isn't the reason we lost last night. what was the reason, cos he failed to spot that we were tiring in midfield before they scored and failing to change the formation that might have prevented us being exposed down the left hand side. He didn't stop the side bombing on looking for the third and settling for a 2-1. He brought Wotton on who sits so deep that tyhe opposition has no choice but to take charge and put us under...lots of things Pardew might have done differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 what was the reason, cos he failed to spot that we were tiring in midfield before they scored and failing to change the formation that might have prevented us being exposed down the left hand side. He didn't stop the side bombing on looking for the third and settling for a 2-1. He brought Wotton on who sits so deep that tyhe opposition has no choice but to take charge and put us under...lots of things Pardew might have done differently. Agree agree agree. St Will, although seemingly a nice bloke, is a Pardew Panderer, he will hear nothing against him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Agree agree agree. St Will, although seemingly a nice bloke, is a Pardew Panderer, he will hear nothing against him...... Not at all. I neither like him or dislike him. You just cannot call for his head after 10 games....ESPECIALLY after last night, when we were basically really unlucky. 1 kick of a ball away from a draw, and couple of clear cut chances away from a win. Pardew was not to blame yesterday, and it's insane to think he was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Not at all. I neither like him or dislike him. You just cannot call for his head after 10 games....ESPECIALLY after last night, when we were basically really unlucky. 1 kick of a ball away from a draw, and couple of clear cut chances away from a win. Pardew was not to blame yesterday, and it's insane to think he was! so we lost due to luck? There was nothing lucky about Rovers catching us on the break to equalise. They had threatened to catch us a couple of times previously. For example one of their `offside' goals simply wasn't IMO. We were clearly tiring in midfield and overstretching oursleves but Pardew didn't spot it. I thought he was right to bring on Mills, but the goal had already gone in. Was it bad luck that Pardew made the sub AFTER they had scored? You make your own luck and Rovers made theirs by bringing on winger that took the game to us in a way we simply can't. I do happen to believe that luck plays a major part in the way games go, I also don't have an axe togrind regarding Pardew, but I do think he must take a degree of responsibility. He's brought Wotton to `sure thing up' before and it failed, he did it again and what do you know it failed. I thought before the game that the 4-3-3 formation was a risk defensively, but maybe one worth taking. Pardew gambled on creating enough chances to win the game, we created the chances, didn't take them and were predictably punished defensively. He gambled and lost. Was the result therefore down to luck or not playing the percentages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macthesaint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Didn't we get lucky with an equalizer a full minute after the official injury time had expired on Saturday? Swings and roundabouts really, sometimes you get good decisions, sometimes bad. It's up to the team to make and take enough chances to mean that these sorts of decisions have little effect on the game. Maybe,but we only got a point,not 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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