StuRomseySaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 ... when Markus Liebherr first took over, he said it will be run like a business and he would leave the club wholey to the Cortese to run. Since then, a £2m upgrade on training facilities ( which didn't need doing ) and refusing a shirt sponsor next year... I get the feeling that he is loving his new hero status and now see's it more as an expensive toy or hobby as opposed to a business. And also he attends every game... which he said he wasn't going to do. I think the next few years could prove VERY interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Not sure what your point is here Stu? Are you saying that it doesn't appear to you that we are not being run like a business? I personally think it is - what ML/NC are doing is investing in the business especially the upgrade to training facilities. As to sponsorship of shirts - I doubt the decision was taken without taking a view on the commercial side of things. In my view if we were looking at playing in the Prem next year then this decision to have no sponsor might just have been reversed. As to the next few years being interesting - I thought that from the day of the take over and the comments (5 year plan etc) that were publicly aired at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Does he come to every game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Training facilities are not that great (the dome apart) for a club with ambitious plans in the relatively near future. Cortese said himself it was a bit ahead of schedule but was always planned. It will help attract players and I would guess that building and associated costs are lower in the current market, so it makes business sense to do it sooner I dont think the shirt sponsor thing is that big a deal. Its not big money (£250k pa I have read) and who knows if we actually have anyone queueing up to be the next sponsor! Again, the market is pretty depressed so we may not be losing out much here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 ... when Markus Liebherr first took over, he said it will be run like a business and he would leave the club wholey to the Cortese to run. Since then, a £2m upgrade on training facilities ( which didn't need doing ) and refusing a shirt sponsor next year... I get the feeling that he is loving his new hero status and now see's it more as an expensive toy or hobby as opposed to a business. And also he attends every game... which he said he wasn't going to do. I think the next few years could prove VERY interesting. Have you actually been inside Staplewood? It does need sorting out. FFS our team are playing FIFA 09 on a basic Xbox360 and a 32" LCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 upgrade on training facilities ( which didn't need doing ) It did need doing. They plan on getting the club back to the Premiership and Staplewood at present is very poor in comparison to Premiership training grounds. Things have moved on a lot since Saints were last in the top flight 5 years ago. Will also help attract players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Have you actually been inside Staplewood? It does need sorting out. FFS our team are playing FIFA 09 on a basic Xbox360 and a 32" LCD. LOL .... what does that make Skatesmuffs facilities then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Not sure what your point is here Stu? Seems to me he's saying that it seems Markus Leibherr has stopped treating Saints strictly as a business and is now seeing us as a more direct pet project and 'toy,' which he is hoping to (and may already) get a lot of enjoyment from! He may be getting involved in us far more then he first realised he would, and may we reap the benefits of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 LOL .... what does that make Skatesmuffs facilities then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 I reckon their business plan was based on gates of 14,000. With an average of 20,000 and no debts presumably they have more money sloshing around than they expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 I believe that the way thing's are now being run is spot on long may it continue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Not sure what your point is here Stu? Are you saying that it doesn't appear to you that we are not being run like a business? I personally think it is - what ML/NC are doing is investing in the business especially the upgrade to training facilities. As to sponsorship of shirts - I doubt the decision was taken without taking a view on the commercial side of things. In my view if we were looking at playing in the Prem next year then this decision to have no sponsor might just have been reversed. As to the next few years being interesting - I thought that from the day of the take over and the comments (5 year plan etc) that were publicly aired at the time. My point is... a positive one. That in my opinion, Mr Liebherr has caught the bug and is not going to worry about losing the odd million here or there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Seems to me he's saying that it seems Markus Leibherr has stopped treating Saints strictly as a business and is now seeing us as a more direct pet project and 'toy,' which he is hoping to (and may already) get a lot of enjoyment from! He may be getting involved in us far more then he first realised he would, and may we reap the benefits of it! Exactly my point. It's a positive thread you mongs!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 I thought it was only £1 million on the training facilities anyway. We are having a shirt with no sponsor for ONE season, it's a one off, to mark our 125th year, and because there was much support from the fans for a sponsor-less shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Plus the extra cup games, of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2010 It did need doing. They plan on getting the club back to the Premiership and Staplewood at present is very poor in comparison to Premiership training grounds. Things have moved on a lot since Saints were last in the top flight 5 years ago. Will also help attract players. It really isn't that poor in relation to all Premiership training grounds... it would be one of the best in the Championship and will be one of, if not THE best in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 It did need doing. They plan on getting the club back to the Premiership and Staplewood at present is very poor in comparison to Premiership training grounds. Things have moved on a lot since Saints were last in the top flight 5 years ago. Will also help attract players. How many premiership training grounds have you visited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 (edited) It really isn't that poor in relation to all Premiership training grounds... it would be one of the best in the Championship and will be one of, if not THE best in League 1. It certainly is not the best in League One... Even Leeds is out of date now but still more impressive than Staplewood. A number of Championship clubs have better than Saints do. This is the kind of thing you get in the Premiership... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e75o63E3RLk http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/7833051.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/8387340.stm http://www.iloveastonvillafc.com/bodymoor.htm Staplewood is currently very poor in comparison and Saints to to keep up if they aim to get to and compete in the Premiership. Edited 3 February, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 What sort of Salary is NC on I wonder? Cannot be doing it for nothing and I wonder what his bonus is based on League Position? Attendances at St Mary's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Neil Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Does he come to every game? Has missed some of the last few at St. Marys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 (edited) How many premiership training grounds have you visited? You don't need to visit them. A simple google search shows Saints if now were in the Premiership would have one of the poorest setups and I have been to Staplewood. See the links in my previous post. Edited 3 February, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2010 It certainly is not the best in League One... Even Leeds is out of date now but still more impressive than Staplewood. This is the kind of thing you get in the Premiership... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e75o63E3RLk http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/7833051.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/8387340.stm Staplewood is currently very poor in comparison and Saints to to keep up. OK, so you compare us to Liverpool and Chelsea... then you pick Leeds training ground ( which incidently, from skimming through, has the same facilities that Staplewood has ) then you link to a story about Hull maybe building their own training ground which has " A floodlit pitch and an outdoor all-weather pitch " Awesome stuff. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2010 You don't need to visit them. A simple google search shows Saints if now were in the Premiership would have one of the poorest setups and I have been to Staplewood. See the links in my previous post. You compared us to Chelsea and Liverpool!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 (edited) You compared us to Chelsea and Liverpool!!!!!!! I didn't compare, I said "these are the things you get in the Premiership". Many current Prem clubs have some very impressive setups and many others have plans to improve. If Saints did nothing they would be a long way behind when they get to the Premiership. btw watch the whole Leeds video and you will see it has alot more than Staplewood. Plus Leeds training ground is over 10 years old. Saints should be aiming to be a midtable Premiership team and have the facilities to match. At the moment they do not as a lot more than 10 teams have or have plans to have better facilities. Staplewood was good about 8 years ago in comparison but since Saints left the Premiership a lot of teams have improved as Saints stood still. Edited 3 February, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 ... when Markus Liebherr first took over, he said it will be run like a business and he would leave the club wholey to the Cortese to run. Since then, a £2m upgrade on training facilities ( which didn't need doing ) and refusing a shirt sponsor next year... I get the feeling that he is loving his new hero status and now see's it more as an expensive toy or hobby as opposed to a business. And also he attends every game... which he said he wasn't going to do. I think the next few years could prove VERY interesting. Right. They have an operating Budget for the year. NC stated that the £1M (Not £2M) upgrade is coming our of this years operating budget. The Transfers a total of about £5M (Rounded up to include all the other rubbish fees and such like). Are again with the Operating budget of the year. Not having a shirt sponsor will mean that we don't get a full £250K not exactly allot when if as it will probably be the case the shirt will be picked up as they are a one off never to be repeated shirt my most of the fans will more than pay for having a sponsor. Also why does everyone think we are paying stupid wages to people. We might be paying larger than normal wages but it will all be within our operating costs. So this is basically exactly exactly how they said it is being done. By a planning and budgeting properly. So why do people keep trying to find fault and complain about the club and how it's run. NC put out the plan when they took over and so far they have not lied to us, and the best bit of all. They are keeping to their promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Right. They have an operating Budget for the year. NC stated that the £1M (Not £2M) upgrade is coming our of this years operating budget. The Transfers a total of about £5M (Rounded up to include all the other rubbish fees and such like). Are again with the Operating budget of the year. Not having a shirt sponsor will mean that we don't get a full £250K not exactly allot when if as it will probably be the case the shirt will be picked up as they are a one off never to be repeated shirt my most of the fans will more than pay for having a sponsor. Also why does everyone think we are paying stupid wages to people. We might be paying larger than normal wages but it will all be within our operating costs. So this is basically exactly exactly how they said it is being done. By a planning and budgeting properly. So why do people keep trying to find fault and complain about the club and how it's run. NC put out the plan when they took over and so far they have not lied to us, and the best bit of all. They are keeping to their promises. I dont think people are complaining just interested in how the club is being run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 I dont think people are complaining just interested in how the club is being run Simple answer to that. Run well (For once) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 "I'm really worried that everything seems to be going well at the club and that the owners are doing things that the fans want blah blah etc..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 "I'm really worried that everything seems to be going well at the club and that the owners are doing things that the fans want blah blah etc..." Exactly my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 (edited) Simple answer to that. Run well (For once) Dont think the club has been badly run except under Wilde for the past fifty years os so but with more money available hopefully we will have some success. If the club had not invested in St Mary's and the Academy it is unlikely that we would have Markus now It has been really the lack of money surely which caused our problems. Edited 3 February, 2010 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Right. They have an operating Budget for the year. NC stated that the £1M (Not £2M) upgrade is coming our of this years operating budget. The Transfers a total of about £5M (Rounded up to include all the other rubbish fees and such like). Are again with the Operating budget of the year. Not having a shirt sponsor will mean that we don't get a full £250K not exactly allot when if as it will probably be the case the shirt will be picked up as they are a one off never to be repeated shirt my most of the fans will more than pay for having a sponsor. Also why does everyone think we are paying stupid wages to people. We might be paying larger than normal wages but it will all be within our operating costs. So this is basically exactly exactly how they said it is being done. By a planning and budgeting properly. So why do people keep trying to find fault and complain about the club and how it's run. NC put out the plan when they took over and so far they have not lied to us, and the best bit of all. They are keeping to their promises. Erm.... why do people like you exist? If you actually bothered to read the thread then you would see on several occasions I have clearly stated that my point is that I believe they are now running the club NOT as a profit making business... which they said they were going to and that possibly Mr Liebherr is sneaking the off cheeky pound or two our way and catching the bug. So I really don't know what part you feel I was moaning. I wait in anticipation of your reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 My point is... a positive one. That in my opinion, Mr Liebherr has caught the bug and is not going to worry about losing the odd million here or there. Agree Added to that, he has seen what a fantastic club he has bought with a loyal, numerous and passionate fanbase that relatively few other clubs have. If indeed it has turned into a labour of love then everyones a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Erm.... why do people like you exist? If you actually bothered to read the thread then you would see on several occasions I have clearly stated that my point is that I believe they are now running the club NOT as a profit making business... which they said they were going to and that possibly Mr Liebherr is sneaking the off cheeky pound or two our way and catching the bug. So I really don't know what part you feel I was moaning. I wait in anticipation of your reply. I dont think anybody knows but I would expect that it is being run as a business as NC would be paid on some criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 (edited) btw watch the whole Leeds video and you will see it has alot more than Staplewood. Plus Leeds training ground is over 10 years old. Think you'll find they don't own it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/10/leeds-united-council-thorp-arch http://www.leedsunited.com/news/20091002/thorp-arch-agreement-edges-closer_2247585_1815665 Edited 3 February, 2010 by krissyboy31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 could also take into consideration that attendances must be a lot better than NC/ML anticipated and we continue to have cup success this season so maybe more money in the bank hence a little more available for upgrades (Sure NC said that the upgrade to training facilities was a bit ahead of plan) Don't think SFC will ever be run other than as a business - that said, doesn't mean that ML can't enjoy himself does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somewhere In Northam Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 You compared us to Chelsea and Liverpool!!!!!!! i also see us in the same light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Think you'll find they don't own it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/10/leeds-united-council-thorp-arch http://www.leedsunited.com/news/20091002/thorp-arch-agreement-edges-closer_2247585_1815665 I know. But that isn't relevant really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 I know. But that isn't relevant really. I think it is. When we're talking about owners ploughing money into facilities. It's NOT Leeds United's training ground, it is the training ground Leeds United use. The same as Wellington is not the Skates'. Staplewood maybe outdated and tired but it is better than anything owned by any club outside the top 10 in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 I think it is. When we're talking about owners ploughing money into facilities. It's NOT Leeds United's training ground, it is the training ground Leeds United use. The same as Wellington is not the Skates'. Thorpe Arch was designed and built when it was owned by Leeds. Just financial problems meant they had to sell it. Wellington isn't and never will be owned by Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Thorpe Arch was designed and built when it was owned by Leeds. When they were a Champions League club and one of the many things that made them go bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 When they were a Champions League club and one of the many things that made them go bust. Well as Mr Liebherr is paying for the development all upfront and not through a loan it is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Erm.... why do people like you exist? If you actually bothered to read the thread then you would see on several occasions I have clearly stated that my point is that I believe they are now running the club NOT as a profit making business... which they said they were going to and that possibly Mr Liebherr is sneaking the off cheeky pound or two our way and catching the bug. So I really don't know what part you feel I was moaning. I wait in anticipation of your reply. How do you know it is not being run as a profit making business. Have you seen the accounts?. Basically wait until you can see the accounts then make a point. Until then it's just another look at me thread based on nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 If NC refers to us as his Baby would that make ML a Godfather type figure, using that analogy, he knows he has an obligation in any event but is still able to defer daily responsibility to someone else, so can enjoy and spoil it as and when he feels like it, Birthdays etc....but if it becomes a problem due to it being spoilt it is down to the one who had responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 The shirt sponsorship is interesting. I find it hard to believe that the absence of sponsorship is due entirely to the clubs anniversary. My belief is NC knows that we will get a higher fee from a sponsor when we are promoted and that Flybe were looking to reduce their contribution. NC calculates the goodwill generated and better negotiating position when promoted is more valuable than an extra season with Flybe. I think this is a great piece of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2010 How do you know it is not being run as a profit making business. Have you seen the accounts?. Basically wait until you can see the accounts then make a point. Until then it's just another look at me thread based on nothing at all. What a c*ck you are, it is an opinion. This is a forum to discuss opinions. Another opinion I have is that you are a complete chump. Would you like to discuss that as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 ... when Markus Liebherr first took over, he said it will be run like a business and he would leave the club wholey to the Cortese to run. Since then, a £2m upgrade on training facilities ( which didn't need doing ) and refusing a shirt sponsor next year... I get the feeling that he is loving his new hero status and now see's it more as an expensive toy or hobby as opposed to a business. And also he attends every game... which he said he wasn't going to do. I think the next few years could prove VERY interesting. When they first took over he said that he would put money in every year. I have never had the impression he was out to get a return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 I have never had the impression he was out to get a return Really ? then tell us why you think he is involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Saint Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 Do you really think an astute, shrewd billionaire businessman like Markus Liebherr got to the position he is in today by 'not worrying about losing the odd million here or there'....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 pleasure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 February, 2010 Share Posted 3 February, 2010 When they first took over he said that he would put money in every year. I have never had the impression he was out to get a return So how much is ML going to spend and for what purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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