SparkySaint Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 QPR have picked up 5 points in 2010 and have only won one game. They are at the wrong end of the Championship and are looking down rather than looking up. Its looking like Neil Warnock will be their next manager but this is another wasted season for them. They should be challenging for a top spot but they are way off the pace. Continuity is key for success and we are blessed that AP is our manager. We are all 100% behind AP and the players. Not really sure what my point is but I hope that we don't slip into a similar pattern that QPR have as it clearly doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 I think your point is that continuity is the key. Stick with the same manager and generally you will reap the rewards. Unbeaten in 2010 says a lot when you compare it to the likes of chop-and-change QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveygwyatt Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 I think your point is that continuity is the key. Stick with the same manager and generally you will reap the rewards. Unbeaten in 2010 says a lot when you compare it to the likes of chop-and-change QPR. I have alwas said a manger needs 3 seasons to show what he can do, it takes a season to bring in players and ship out the ones you don't need. The second season is spent getting the team playing together and the third season onwards you see results.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 New manager for Saturday but we have a new owner whos saying he wants stability now that Flav has gone. We have 4 or 5 players out on loan and 7 or 8 player in on loan who are worse than the ones who went out. Warnock is a very good CCC manager and I hope hes there for the full 2 and a half years. We should be nowhere near the top, we dont even have a proper forward at the club. A good £10-20m needs to be spent in the way Forest did it this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 QPR have picked up 5 points in 2010 and have only won one game. They are at the wrong end of the Championship and are looking down rather than looking up. Its looking like Neil Warnock will be their next manager but this is another wasted season for them. They should be challenging for a top spot but they are way off the pace. Continuity is key for success and we are blessed that AP is our manager. We are all 100% behind AP and the players. Not really sure what my point is but I hope that we don't slip into a similar pattern that QPR have as it clearly doesn't work. Seems to work OK sometimes Chelsea are doing OK with a constant change of Manager as well as Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Seems to work OK sometimes Chelsea are doing OK with a constant change of Manager as well as Spurs It may work sometimes but not always as has been proved here, don't see ancelotti or redkrapp on the verge of being sacked do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 It may work sometimes but not always as has been proved here, don't see ancelotti or redkrapp on the verge of being sacked do you. Of course you are right but changing managers is not always a bad thing. However changing manager at Southampton would be ridiculous at the moment unless of course AP cannot work with NC which would be an awful outcome. If AP left some of the players might also leave which would not be a good thing for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 It may work sometimes but not always as has been proved here, don't see ancelotti or redkrapp on the verge of being sacked do you. Hopefully there will be an enforced change at Spurs for at least 6 months !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 In England, where football management is a matter of pragmatism, changing on pragmatic manager for another one is probably about charisma. I tend to think that judging managers on that is poor, and our recent few years shows it to be a lottery. If you are to change manager then you must look for other things which will change the fortunes of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 QPR have picked up 5 points in 2010 and have only won one game. They are at the wrong end of the Championship and are looking down rather than looking up. Its looking like Neil Warnock will be their next manager but this is another wasted season for them. They should be challenging for a top spot but they are way off the pace. Continuity is key for success and we are blessed that AP is our manager. We are all 100% behind AP and the players. Not really sure what my point is but I hope that we don't slip into a similar pattern that QPR have as it clearly doesn't work. Trouble is we are all not behind Pardew 100%. There are plenty here waiting to jump on his back after the next 0-0 draw against a lower placed side and plenty here willing to see him go next Chistmas if we aren't looking like automatic promotion certs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkySaint Posted 28 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Trouble is we are all not behind Pardew 100%. There are plenty here waiting to jump on his back after the next 0-0 draw against a lower placed side and plenty here willing to see him go next Chistmas if we aren't looking like automatic promotion certs. Who would come and do a better job? Simply answer is no one would. He's been there and done it with other clubs and can do it with us. I am fully behind him because he is honest tells it like it is. There are some people who complain when things don't go as excepted but that is human nature. Are you fully behind AP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Trouble is we are all not behind Pardew 100%. There are plenty here waiting to jump on his back after the next 0-0 draw against a lower placed side and plenty here willing to see him go next Chistmas if we aren't looking like automatic promotion certs. That will be the case no matter who is in charge though. All the fans will never be 100% happy. And I'd wager dollars to donuts if the manager changed in the morning it would be the same people complaining about the new manager that are currently complaining about AP. Its yet another unfortunate consequence of the Sky era, where fans simply aren't happy unless their team wins 5-0 in every game. Every club is the same. Watch any Premiership match involving teams outside the top 4, if the home side doesn't win there is usually a small chorus of boos at the final whistle. They fully expect to win, just because they're the home team. Thankfully these bozos are in the minority. Unfortunately, they're a bloody loud minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Seems to work OK sometimes Chelsea are doing OK with a constant change of Manager as well as Spurs Chelsea are not doing ok. They have invested billions and won nothing since firing the Special One... Manchester United are doing brilliantly. Arsenal are doing ok - and I expect them to win the league which I think would be no more than Wenger deserves because of his commitment to play the game the way I love to see it played. I think the truth is, it's about finding and then backing the 'right' manager. As to who that manager is, it's a lottery. Some managers work at some clubs and not others. However, it would have been very easy for Everton to fire Moyes when they went through one of their countless bad spells - they didn't and I think they are reaping the reward of consistency and regular European football. My gut feel says a manager needs a season to show what he can do, the idea of changing any more frequently takes no account of injuries, fixtures, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 I have alwas said a manger needs 3 seasons to show what he can do, it takes a season to bring in players and ship out the ones you don't need. The second season is spent getting the team playing together and the third season onwards you see results.. This is absolute bollix. What the manager has to do is sufficient in his first season to go onto the next season, and so on. Even if you have no money, crowd or resources, success has to be measured against your peers with what you achieve, with the resources made available to you. Why this concern about Pardew? If he is the right person he will have done enough to prove to Cortese he is the man to take Saints forward. If he has not, he will be gone. We can just enjoy all the games now, enjoy the experience and Wembley, seeing what unfolds. Someone should warn Norwich they are heading for ruin by sacking Gunn, how many managers is that in the last season and a half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 But...But...Lambert!!!! Boothroyd!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 This is absolute bollix. What the manager has to do is sufficient in his first season to go onto the next season, and so on. Even if you have no money, crowd or resources, success has to be measured against your peers with what you achieve, with the resources made available to you. Why this concern about Pardew? If he is the right person he will have done enough to prove to Cortese he is the man to take Saints forward. If he has not, he will be gone. We can just enjoy all the games now, enjoy the experience and Wembley, seeing what unfolds. Someone should warn Norwich they are heading for ruin by sacking Gunn, how many managers is that in the last season and a half? This is the thing, though. Why appoint Gunn? No experience, no management training... Crap managers are so effing predictable most of the time!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 This is the thing, though. Why appoint Gunn? No experience, no management training... Crap managers are so effing predictable most of the time!!! Because like Gray and Wigley he was a nice bloke already at the the club. Spot on with the summary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Because like Gray and Wigley he was a nice bloke already at the the club. Spot on with the summary. I hear that Burnley used Deloittes to work out that they should appoint Brian Laws... and yet that was only ever destined to end in the disaster we can all see coming... Why do clubs do this? Work so hard to get somewhere then immediately feck it up when they do!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Who would come and do a better job? Simply answer is no one would. He's been there and done it with other clubs and can do it with us. I am fully behind him because he is honest tells it like it is. There are some people who complain when things don't go as excepted but that is human nature. Are you fully behind AP? paul lambert, aidy boothroyd, simon grayson, danny wilson, alan irvine - i would have any of the above. AP is full of rhetoric but never makes his words count. He is a bit of a burley, always has the excuses after the game, crap pitch, conditions, tough team to break down blah,blah, blah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 paul lambert, aidy boothroyd, simon grayson, danny wilson, alan irvine - i would have any of the above. AP is full of rhetoric but never makes his words count. He is a bit of a burley, always has the excuses after the game, crap pitch, conditions, tough team to break down blah,blah, blah... Irvine (Sheff Wed in relegation fight), Grayson( struggling with out of form Leeds) Wilson (lots of clubs/lots of relegations) or Boothroyd(cheating, ugly anti-footbal). How long before you would want these managers out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Irvine (Sheff Wed in relegation fight), Grayson( struggling with out of form Leeds) Wilson (lots of clubs/lots of relegations) or Boothroyd(cheating, ugly anti-footbal). How long before you would want these managers out? grayson got blackpool promoted, irvine got preston to the play offs with an average squad, boothroyd is overperforming with a crap squad and got watford promoted, wilson is getting a squad of sh*te players into te play offs and made one of teh buys of the season (austen) and lambert transformed a norwich side that were at their lowest ebb. SO yes I would very much like one of these guys - pardew is a bit of a nearly man in terms of his record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 grayson got blackpool promoted, irvine got preston to the play offs with an average squad, boothroyd is overperforming with a crap squad and got watford promoted, wilson is getting a squad of sh*te players into te play offs and made one of teh buys of the season (austen) and lambert transformed a norwich side that were at their lowest ebb. SO yes I would very much like one of these guys - pardew is a bit of a nearly man in terms of his record Pardew got Reading promoted out of this league and West Ham promoted to the premier league so i'd say his record is pretty good. How many Fa cup finals have those managers got teams to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Pardew got Reading promoted out of this league and West Ham promoted to the premier league so i'd say his record is pretty good. How many Fa cup finals have those managers got teams to? fa cups count for nothing, they have only ever managed lwoer league sides. He relegated charllton after trying his best to do so at West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 fa cups count for nothing, they have only ever managed lwoer league sides. He relegated charllton after trying his best to do so at West Ham. Boothroyd has managed in the Premier League. I'd say the FA Cup means alot to people, especially to Saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 paul lambert, aidy boothroyd, simon grayson, danny wilson, alan irvine - i would have any of the above. AP is full of rhetoric but never makes his words count. He is a bit of a burley, always has the excuses after the game, crap pitch, conditions, tough team to break down blah,blah, blah... Utter tripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Utter tripe. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Boothroyd has managed in the Premier League. I'd say the FA Cup means alot to people, especially to Saints fans. FA cup is dying on its arse...it took us to play the skates to save the 5th round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 FA cup is dying on its arse...it took us to play the skates to save the 5th round Speak for yourself. You have made it clear in hundreds of posts(you like an arguement ) you are not interested in the FA Cup previously. So any manager that has success in the cup competitions is not relevent to a clubs success or the managers ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Speak for yourself. You have made it clear in hundreds of posts(you like an arguement ) you are not interested in the FA Cup previously. So any manager that has success in the cup competitions is not relevent to a clubs success or the managers ability? speak for myself..the attendances around the country speak for the issue with the FA Cup.. why do you think the FA are looking into making it more attractive..one thing that could well happen is the ties being played in the week as much as possible.. no replays from the quaters on wards no extra time until the quaters etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 speak for myself..the attendances around the country speak for the issue with the FA Cup.. why do you think the FA are looking into making it more attractive..one thing that could well happen is the ties being played in the week as much as possible.. no replays from the quaters on wards no extra time until the quaters etc etc etc Like i said, speak for yourself. Most fans enjoy the cup and cup runs etc still i guess it gives you an excuse to have dig at Pardew by stating his near winning the cup means nothing regarding his managerial ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Like i said, speak for yourself. Most fans enjoy the cup and cup runs etc still i guess it gives you an excuse to have dig at Pardew by stating his near winning the cup means nothing regarding his managerial ability. I think we are on about different things here..im on about the FA cup in general (not just saints) and how it appears to be dying on its arse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 I think we are on about different things here..im on about the FA cup in general (not just saints) and how it appears to be dying on its arse.. Well maybe you should post it on seperate thread to avoid confusion. My post was in response to someone who said Pardew has a poor record compared to other managers they wished to be Saints manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Boothroyd has managed in the Premier League. I'd say the FA Cup means alot to people, especially to Saints fans. FA cup is dying on its arse...it took us to play the skates to save the 5th round Well maybe you should post it on seperate thread to avoid confusion. My post was in response to someone who said Pardew has a poor record compared to other managers they wished to be Saints manager. you sure...you never mentioned the manager..you just said the FA cup means a great deal to saints fans and I threw in the fact that the FA cup seems to be dying on its arse.. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 28 February, 2010 Share Posted 28 February, 2010 Irvine (Sheff Wed in relegation fight), Grayson( struggling with out of form Leeds) Wilson (lots of clubs/lots of relegations) or Boothroyd(cheating, ugly anti-footbal). How long before you would want these managers out? Yep - the manager you haven't got is always better than the one you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkySaint Posted 1 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 1 March, 2010 The grass isn't always greener and we have some healthy green grass. I personally like our grass and am happy with the greenarity of it. Its very easy to point out the problems that you may see but we have a decent manager who I am behind. Football is full of chiches so I am going to use my favourite in preparation for tuesday night. “We have to take it one game at a time. " Don't moan about AP saying things like this because it is footballs (and many others sports) disease. I'm sure we'll do well but like many of us we are thinking about Tranmere at the weekend and then two very important home games against top 6 opposition. Huddersfield, Leeds and Swindon will be the testing games in March and I would like to think that due to our new strength in depth that we can win them all. I wonder what odds you can get on Saints not dropping any points in March. Worth a fiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 March, 2010 Share Posted 1 March, 2010 Well maybe you should post it on seperate thread to avoid confusion. My post was in response to someone who said Pardew has a poor record compared to other managers they wished to be Saints manager. you sure...you never mentioned the manager..you just said the FA cup means a great deal to saints fans and I threw in the fact that the FA cup seems to be dying on its arse.. cheers You should re-read Andy's last post as above and go further back on this thread to see what he was talking about and not just select certain posts to suit your argument. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 March, 2010 Share Posted 1 March, 2010 grayson got blackpool promoted, irvine got preston to the play offs with an average squad, boothroyd is overperforming with a crap squad and got watford promoted, wilson is getting a squad of sh*te players into te play offs and made one of teh buys of the season (austen) and lambert transformed a norwich side that were at their lowest ebb. SO yes I would very much like one of these guys - pardew is a bit of a nearly man in terms of his record Are you saying Pardew's record is worse than any of these, if so please post their records, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 March, 2010 Share Posted 1 March, 2010 You should re-read Andy's last post as above and go further back on this thread to see what he was talking about and not just select certain posts to suit your argument. Cheers My conversation with andy was about something slightly different Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 March, 2010 Share Posted 1 March, 2010 My post was in response to someone who said Pardew has a poor record compared to other managers they wished to be Saints manager. My conversation with andy was about something slightly different Cheers Try reading his post again and see if you can understand it Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 1 March, 2010 Share Posted 1 March, 2010 Stop being ****ing pillocks. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 1 March, 2010 Share Posted 1 March, 2010 Are you saying Pardew's record is worse than any of these, if so please post their records, thanks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Pardew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Grayson - grayson has won more games than pardew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Irvine_%28footballer_born_1958%29 - irvine won more than pardew, even though he has had a poor start at sheff weds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aidy_Boothroyd - win precentage less at watford but better at colchester still got watford promoted to prem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lambert - record is getting beter and got wycombe to play offs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Wilson_%28footballer_born_1960%29 - admitedly the weakest out of the bunch, but has plenty of experience at every level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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