Some of you lot are mental

[Turkish]

Now whilst i dont agree with the sacking of AP, we are where we are. I cant believe some of you are turning your noses up at the likes of Zola, Curbishley and Pearce, proven managers with premier league experience. Apparantly Zola is not good enough because he has no league one experience and didn't set the world on fire at West Ham, depsite mid table finish and keeping them up when they were a mess, likewise Stuart Pearce. I spoke to my boss this morning, he lives in Cheshire and a Crewe Alexandera fan would you believe, he burst out laughing when i told him some of the names linked, saying 'why would any of them go to League 1?" This is how it is seen outside of Southampton, why would Curbishley, Zola etc come here? If we get anyone of them, it is a massive coup. You are mad and deluded if you think otherwise. Get a grip of reality people!!!

[Jeff Le Taxi]

True, you've brought me back to earth with a bit of a bump....... perhaps we've been a bit spoilt.

Cant help thinking Cortese has got someone decent lined up though!

[nickfinks]

Now whilst i dont agree with the sacking of AP, we are where we are. I cant believe some of you are turning your noses up at the likes of Zola, Curbishley and Pearce, proven managers with premier league experience. Apparantly Zola is not good enough because he has no league one experience and didn't set the world on fire at West Ham, depsite mid table finish and keeping them up when they were a mess, likewise Stuart Pearce. I spoke to my boss this morning, he lives in Cheshire and a Crewe Alexandera fan would you believe, he burst out laughing when i told him some of the names linked, saying 'why would any of them go to League 1?" This is how it is seen outside of Southampton, why would Curbishley, Zola etc come here? If we get anyone of them, it is a massive coup. You are mad and deluded if you think otherwise. Get a grip of reality people!!!

 

this

[fish fingers]

True, you've brought me back to earth with a bit of a bump....... perhaps we've been a bit spoilt.

Cant help thinking Cortese has got someone decent lined up though!

 

Agreed, this is a big moment for him. He would have been aware that the support in general was behind Pardew so he needs to pull something out of the hat to keep people on side.

[Barry the Badger]

Ooooh, "a brand new thread", I thought to myself. "how exciting, I wonder what it could be about".

 

Imagine my disapointment to find that it was just ANOTHER person who thinks their opinions on the manager situation deserves it's own thread.

 

PS anybody other than Mourinho and I will be distinctly underwhelmed.

[Turkish]

Ooooh, "a brand new thread", I thought to myself. "how exciting, I wonder what it could be about".

 

Imagine my disapointment to find that it was just ANOTHER person who thinks their opinions on the manager situation deserves it's own thread.

 

PS anybody other than Mourinho and I will be distinctly underwhelmed.

 

It's not my opinion on the manager, it's my opinion on the madness of some of the posts i have seen on it.

 

Aren't you a bit sad getting a boner over a new thread?

[Deppo]

I agree with the OP that Zola isn't good enough because he has no League 1 experience and was rubbish at West Ham.

[Barry the Badger]

Aren't you a bit sad getting a boner over a new thread?

 

Aren't you a bit sad getting a boner over Alan Curbishley?

[arfurdent]

Aren't you a bit sad getting a boner over Alan Curbishley?

 

What is a boner? ....discuss

[Turkish]

Aren't you a bit sad getting a boner over Alan Curbishley?

 

Better to become sexually arounsed about a person than a post on an internet forum, wierdo.

[arfurdent]

Better to become sexually arounsed about a person than a post on an internet forum, wierdo.

 

not another female dog

[Barry the Badger]

Better to become sexually arounsed about a person than a post on an internet forum, wierdo.

 

Depends on the post and the person.

 

Pompey Takeover Saga = more sexy than Alan Curbishley

[Tomobz]

wow i havent been on this forum for ages and thought it might be interesting due to the current saints situation, but wait... more bullcrap *****ing between posters again and sod all useful information. why do i pay my fiver for this?

[Turkish]

wow i havent been on this forum for ages and thought it might be interesting due to the current saints situation, but wait... more bullcrap *****ing between posters again and sod all useful information. why do i pay my fiver for this?

 

Behave yourself you whinging, miserable sod. It works out £0.013 per day, you wouldn't get this much pleasure anywhere else for that.

[Scudamore]

Recognising Stuart Pearce as a horsesh:t football manager does not make you mental.

 

He's up there with Paul Merson in the brains department.

[Turkish]

Recognising Stuart Pearce as a horsesh:t football manager does not make you mental.

 

He's up there with Paul Merson in the brains department.

 

Dont get me wrong, Stuart Pearce wouldn't be my first choice, i just think anyone that it moaning that the likes of Curnishley, Zola and even Pearce etc are not good enough for us because their premier league record wasn't that great is seriously deluded.

[Scudamore]

Well some people fail to comprehend just where we are at the moment. I see nothing wrong with aiming high though.

 

But thinking about it i refuse to put Frank Lampard in my dreamteam (to it's detriment) because i think he's a c::ckle so i can see why people have these problems with individuals.

[Dalek2003]

Now whilst i dont agree with the sacking of AP, we are where we are. I cant believe some of you are turning your noses up at the likes of Zola, Curbishley and Pearce, proven managers with premier league experience. Apparantly Zola is not good enough because he has no league one experience and didn't set the world on fire at West Ham, depsite mid table finish and keeping them up when they were a mess, likewise Stuart Pearce. I spoke to my boss this morning, he lives in Cheshire and a Crewe Alexandera fan would you believe, he burst out laughing when i told him some of the names linked, saying 'why would any of them go to League 1?" This is how it is seen outside of Southampton, why would Curbishley, Zola etc come here? If we get anyone of them, it is a massive coup. You are mad and deluded if you think otherwise. Get a grip of reality people!!!

 

The same way I felt when we turned down a very successful ex England manager in 2004.

[farawaysaint]

Better to become sexually arounsed about a person than a post on an internet forum, wierdo.

 

Damnit Turkish let us all mope for a few days about our manager being sacked.. It's like when kids move house, you could move to a 5 bedroom mansion but they'll still miss the apartment that gave them good memories.

[Turkish]

The same way I felt when we turned down a very successful ex England manager in 2004.

 

Do you have pictures of him on your bedside cabinet?

[CB Fry]

Dont get me wrong, Stuart Pearce wouldn't be my first choice, i just think anyone that it moaning that the likes of Curnishley, Zola and even Pearce etc are not good enough for us because their premier league record wasn't that great is seriously deluded.

 

 

You seem to live in a universe where not very good at Prem level = definitely very good at L1. That's seriously deluded.

 

And don't bundle all the managers in together to make your lame point. Curbishley is not comparable to Stuart Pearce.

[The9]

Now whilst i dont agree with the sacking of AP, we are where we are. I cant believe some of you are turning your noses up at the likes of Zola, Curbishley and Pearce, proven managers with premier league experience. Apparantly Zola is not good enough because he has no league one experience and didn't set the world on fire at West Ham, depsite mid table finish and keeping them up when they were a mess, likewise Stuart Pearce. I spoke to my boss this morning, he lives in Cheshire and a Crewe Alexandera fan would you believe, he burst out laughing when i told him some of the names linked, saying 'why would any of them go to League 1?" This is how it is seen outside of Southampton, why would Curbishley, Zola etc come here? If we get anyone of them, it is a massive coup. You are mad and deluded if you think otherwise. Get a grip of reality people!!!

 

I believe the answer to this question is "fackloads of cash", which is a small matter the football world outside League One seems to be blindly ignoring, thankfully to our benefit.

[MarkSFC]

Its interesting that other clubs fans just see us as a.n.other league one team because when it comes down to it we are "right no" BUT and this is the point that is missed by people outside the area I feel.....we have more "potential" to get to the Premiership AND stay there for many years than probably any club outside the Premier League right now. We clearly have the financial muscle to get there as quick as possible and to a manager outside the Premier League or out of work we will be/are a very interesting and exciting project. The next manager of Saints could well make his name and achieve "possibly" back-to-back promotions. This looks good on anyones cv!!

 

Of course my comment includes a bit of "potential" and "possibly" but nevertheless we have a very good infrastructure that is also being improved, so attracting a big name is definitely a possibility.

 

Personally its a must because anyone who on face value is deemed "worse than Pardew" will not get fans onside (and maybe not players) and this could easily ruin this season. Logic suggess someone who has worked at a higher level most likely the Premier League because getting there is the easier part of this project....staying tere is the hard part!!

[Turkish]

You seem to live in a universe where not very good at Prem level = definitely very good at L1. That's seriously deluded.

 

And don't bundle all the managers in together to make your lame point. Curbishley is not comparable to Stuart Pearce.

 

You know, what you're right. It's idiocy to look at a managers record of managing against the likes on Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal etc with an average premier league team and suggest he could do well with a very good league one team against the likes of Carlise, Peterborough etc. Alex Ferguson didn't win the league last season, if we got him it's unlike he'd win it with us either. I mean it's not as if the likes Billy Davies, Paul Jewell & Tony Mowbray have been really succesful at CCC level and not quite cut it at top flight is it.

[Turkish]

Its interesting that other clubs fans just see us as a.n.other league one team because when it comes down to it we are "right no" BUT and this is the point that is missed by people outside the area I feel.....we have more "potential" to get to the Premiership AND stay there for many years than probably any club outside the Premier League right now. We clearly have the financial muscle to get there as quick as possible and to a manager outside the Premier League or out of work we will be/are a very interesting and exciting project. The next manager of Saints could well make his name and achieve "possibly" back-to-back promotions. This looks good on anyones cv!!

 

Of course my comment includes a bit of "potential" and "possibly" but nevertheless we have a very good infrastructure that is also being improved, so attracting a big name is definitely a possibility.

 

Personally its a must because anyone who on face value is deemed "worse than Pardew" will not get fans onside (and maybe not players) and this could easily ruin this season. Logic suggess someone who has worked at a higher level most likely the Premier League because getting there is the easier part of this project....staying tere is the hard part!!

 

Obviously apart from the big clubs who are already in the Championship, like Cardiff, Notts Forest, Leciester, middlesborough, Leeds, etc. And as we have seen, getting there is not easy either, there are a lot of big clubs in the Championship, clubs of comparable size to Saints, we simply will not storm through the divisons like some believe.

[CB Fry]

You know, what you're right. It's idiocy to look at a managers record of managing against the likes on Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal etc with an average premier league team and suggest he could do well with a very good league one team against the likes of Carlise, Peterborough etc. Alex Ferguson didn't win the league last season, if we got him it's unlike he'd win it with us either. I mean it's not as if the likes Billy Davies, Paul Jewell & Tony Mowbray have been really succesful at CCC level and not quite cut it at top flight is it.

 

 

You really are mental. Saying a successful manager at Prem Level would be successful at L1 is not the same as what you are saying, which is a rubbish manager at Prem level would definitely be good at L1 because it's lower down.

 

Bryan Robson took his sparkling ability to be average-bad at Prem level and turned it into a sparkling ability to be average-bad at L1 level.

 

It's the Eric Djemba-Djemba rule.

 

So nice try in making up opinions for me - I didn't say successful Prem managers wouldn't be successful at L1, neither did I say successful L1/Champ managers would definitely be sucessful at Prem level.

 

Just look at the singular point you are making - lack of success at Prem equates to lots of success lower down - and think again. You're wrong.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Behave yourself you whinging, miserable sod. It works out £0.013 per day, you wouldn't get this much pleasure anywhere else for that.

 

Obviously haven't tried your mum out then...

 

 

 

 

Only kidding, you must have.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You seem to live in a universe where not very good at Prem level = definitely very good at L1. That's seriously deluded.

 

This. I would like to know the reason that Zola is a good enough manager. I personally don't think he will ever make it as a manager, as I don't think he has it in him.

[The9]

This. I would like to know the reason that Zola is a good enough manager. I personally don't think he will ever make it as a manager, as I don't think he has it in him.

 

Using the West Ham Scale, I'm not sure why we'd sack Pardew and appoint a bloke who did less well at the same club in a similar situation anyway.

 

And I'm pretty damn sure the best person to know what Pardew's vision for the signings he's made would be Alan Pardew as well...

[dune]

I hope we get someone decent, but i'd be concerned if it was Zola because I think he probably won't be a good manager.

[MarkSFC]

Obviously apart from the big clubs who are already in the Championship, like Cardiff, Notts Forest, Leciester, middlesborough, Leeds, etc. And as we have seen, getting there is not easy either, there are a lot of big clubs in the Championship, clubs of comparable size to Saints, we simply will not storm through the divisons like some believe.

 

I did say probably....!!

 

But I do think that we have as much if not more potential to get to the Prem and stay than than all those. I think Cardiff are near the edge financially and are taking the gamble to get there this season...Forest seem to have no money, spent it all last season really and failed...Leeds, big club in terms of history and fanbase but their team isnt that good, thaey wont go up this year. Middlesboro are probably taking a little bit of a financial gamble this year with the number of signings...if MacBoro dont go up this year I suspect WGS will go and they will have to re-build...AGAIN!! Leicester seem to be the best placed financially with their new investors.

 

I dont think we will "storm" through the divisions but we will (almost definitely) go up this year and then its down to budget! Will Cortese/Leibherrs invest to ensure we go straight up or will they do it over two seasons......

 

choice of manager will probably indicate their thinking!!!

 

 

Its a very interesting and potentially very exciting time to be a saints supporter....equally a (percieved) bad appointment and the feel-good factor diappears for months rather than hours/days......

[Saint_Ash]

Its interesting that other clubs fans just see us as a.n.other league one team because when it comes down to it we are "right no" BUT and this is the point that is missed by people outside the area I feel.....we have more "potential" to get to the Premiership AND stay there for many years than probably any club outside the Premier League right now. We clearly have the financial muscle to get there as quick as possible and to a manager outside the Premier League or out of work we will be/are a very interesting and exciting project. The next manager of Saints could well make his name and achieve "possibly" back-to-back promotions. This looks good on anyones cv!!

 

Of course my comment includes a bit of "potential" and "possibly" but nevertheless we have a very good infrastructure that is also being improved, so attracting a big name is definitely a possibility.

 

Personally its a must because anyone who on face value is deemed "worse than Pardew" will not get fans onside (and maybe not players) and this could easily ruin this season. Logic suggess someone who has worked at a higher level most likely the Premier League because getting there is the easier part of this project....staying tere is the hard part!!

 

Mate, have you got another new phone?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Using the West Ham Scale, I'm not sure why we'd sack Pardew and appoint a bloke who did less well at the same club in a similar situation anyway.

 

And I'm pretty damn sure the best person to know what Pardew's vision for the signings he's made would be Alan Pardew as well...

 

Exactly. This thread should be closed because it really makes no logical sense. It's the Managers equivalent of saying 'We beat x 6-0, and x beat y 4-1, so that means we'd beat y 10-1'.

[Stuntman Mike]

Now whilst i dont agree with the sacking of AP, we are where we are. I cant believe some of you are turning your noses up at the likes of Zola, Curbishley and Pearce, proven managers with premier league experience. Apparantly Zola is not good enough because he has no league one experience and didn't set the world on fire at West Ham, depsite mid table finish and keeping them up when they were a mess, likewise Stuart Pearce. I spoke to my boss this morning, he lives in Cheshire and a Crewe Alexandera fan would you believe, he burst out laughing when i told him some of the names linked, saying 'why would any of them go to League 1?" This is how it is seen outside of Southampton, why would Curbishley, Zola etc come here? If we get anyone of them, it is a massive coup. You are mad and deluded if you think otherwise. Get a grip of reality people!!!

 

Totally agree, it's why I don't bother with this forum, full of crap opinions from a very small minority of the fanbase, most of whom seem to have weird agendas and obsessions.

[Turkish]

You really are mental. Saying a successful manager at Prem Level would be successful at L1 is not the same as what you are saying, which is a rubbish manager at Prem level would definitely be good at L1 because it's lower down.

 

Bryan Robson took his sparkling ability to be average-bad at Prem level and turned it into a sparkling ability to be average-bad at L1 level.

 

It's the Eric Djemba-Djemba rule.

 

So nice try in making up opinions for me - I didn't say successful Prem managers wouldn't be successful at L1, neither did I say successful L1/Champ managers would definitely be sucessful at Prem level.

 

Just look at the singular point you are making - lack of success at Prem equates to lots of success lower down - and think again. You're wrong.

 

It depends what your interpretation of success is isn't it. For example Zola did well with an okayish WHU squad to take them to a 9th place finish, for West Ham that is success. Yes they struggled the following season, but that was a lot due to the whole squad being put up for sale and lot sold was it not? Despite this Zola kept them up. Again to me, that is an achievement under the circumstances. Some Boro fans moaned about McClaren despite midtable finishes, one of 7th and their only trophy ever. Some Charlton fans moaned about Curbishley despite midtable finishes regularly, look what happened when he left. It is really that difficult a concept to grasp to suggest that a manager with a reasonable record with an average side, two divisions higher in one of the top leagues in the world could be successful with a very good team for that level, two leagues below?

 

As for your lack of success at Premier league level point. Well Davies, Jewell and Mowbray hardly covered themselves in glory during their time in top flight and Scotland did they, but 5 promtions between them i believe in the Championship and L1. So think again, a manager with a reasonable record at a higher level, is a good bet to have a decent record at a lower level, it's the common sense rule. And Bryan Robson, is, was and alwasy will be a s*it manager, just like Tony Adams.

Edited 31 August, 2010 by Turkish

[RedArmy]

I saw someone saying earlier that they wouldn't want O'Neill because he didn't meet Villa fans expectations. (Top 4)

 

Our fans are clueless.

[MarkSFC]

Mate, have you got another new phone?

 

check your work email!!

[Turkish]

I saw someone saying earlier that they wouldn't want O'Neill because he didn't meet Villa fans expectations. (Top 4)

 

Our fans are clueless.

 

:lol::lol:

 

I rest my case!

[CB Fry]

It depends what your interpretation of success is isn't it. For example Zola did well with an okayish WHU squad to take them to a 9th place finish, for West Ham that is success. Yes they struggled the following season, but that was a lot due to the whole squad being put up for sale and lot sold was it not? Despite this Zola kept them up. Again to me, that is an achievement under the circumstances. Some Boro fans moaned about McClaren despite midtable finishes, one of 7th and their only trophy ever. Some Charlton fans moaned about Curbishley despite midtable finishes regularly, look what happened when he left. It is really that difficult a concept to grasp to suggest that a manager with a reasonable record with an average side, two divisions higher in one of the top leagues in the world could be successful with a very good team for that level, two leagues below?

 

As for your lack of success at Premier league level point. Well Davies, Jewell and Mowbray hardly covered themselves in glory during their time in top flight and Scotland did they, but 5 promtions between them i believe in the Championship and L1. So think again, a manager with a reasonable record at a higher level, is a good bet to have a decent record at a lower level, it's the common sense rule. And Bryan Robson, is, was and alwasy will be a s*it manager, just like Tony Adams.

 

 

The only response to this is Eh?

 

Mowbray, Davies and Jewell got jobs in the top flight by being promoted to it, ie earning the right to be there. They weren't just parachuted in like a Zola.

 

And Jewell's record is actually very good in the top flight. Better than Pearce who you seem to be salivating over, and far better than Zola.

 

And don't bring Curbs or McLaren into it, again managers with excellent records everywhere they've been.

 

Stuart Pearce is, and always will be, a sh*t manager. Zola is unproven and I will not accept your premise that he will definitely do well at L1 because he was average at Prem level. It doesn't work like that. Ask Luca Vialli.

[Runaway]

The stats speak for themselves... Zola has very little management experience and his record at West Ham is a shocker, with almost twice as many losses as wins. Just because he was a great player and is a "name" is not enough to make me excited at the prospect of him managing Saints when we absolutely must get promotion. He would be a pretty disastrous signing with someone as good as Pards going the other way IMO.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It depends what your interpretation of success is isn't it. For example Zola did well with an okayish WHU squad to take them to a 9th place finish, for West Ham that is success. Yes they struggled the following season, but that was a lot due to the whole squad being put up for sale and lot sold was it not? Despite this Zola kept them up. Again to me, that is an achievement under the circumstances. It is really that difficult a concept to grasp to suggest that a manager with a reasonable record with an average side, two divisions higher in one of the top leagues in the world could be successful with a very good team for that level, two leagues below?

 

As for your lack of success at Premier league level point. Well Davies, Jewell and Mowbray hardly covered themselves in glory during their time in top flight and Scotland did they, but 5 promtions between them i believe in the Championship and L1. So think again, a manager with a reasonable record at a higher level, is a good bet to have a decent record at a lower level, it's the common sense rule. And Bryan Robson, is, was and alwasy will be a s*it manager, just like Tony Adams.

 

Bryan Robson was just a crap manager,

 

Last years West Ham squad, finished 17th:

 

 

Last years Wolves squad, finished 15th, 3 points ahead:

 

1 - Wayne Hennessey

2 -

3 - George Elokobi

4 - Dave Edwards

5 - Richard Stearman

6 - Jody Craddock

7 - Michael Kightly

8 - Karl Henry

9 - Sylvan Ebanks-Blake

10 - Andy Keogh

11 - Stephen Ward

12 - Andrew Surman

13 - Marcus Hahnemann

14 - David Jones

15 - Greg Halford

16 - Christophe Berra

17 - Matt Jarvis

18 - Sam Vokes

19 - Chris Iwelumo

20 - Nened Milijas

21 - Daniel Jones

22 - Jason Shackell

23 - Ronald Zubar

24 - Mark Little

25 - Neill Collins

26 - Matt Hill

27 -

28 - George Friend

29 - Kevin Doyle

30 - Carl Ikeme

31 - Matt Murray

32 - Kevin Foley

33 -

34 - Darren Ward

35 - Elliott Bennett

36 - Johnny Dunleavy

37 - Kyle Bennett

38 - David Davis

39 - Sam Winnall

40 - Danny Batth

41 - Ashley Hemmings

42 - Scott Malone

 

Last years Hull squad, finished 19th, 5 points behind:

 

1. Boaz Myhill

3. Andy Dawson

4. Ian Ashbee (captain)

5. Anthony Gardner

6. Paul McShane

7. Craig Fagan

8. Nick Barmby (vice-captain)

9. Jozy Altidore (on loan from Villarreal)

10. Geovanni

11. Stephen Hunt

12. Matt Duke

14. Richard Garcia

15. Bernard Mendy

16. Péter Halmosi

17. Kevin Kilbane

19. Steven Mouyokolo

20. George Boateng

21. Jimmy Bullard

22. Dean Marney

23. Kamel Ghilas

24. Kamil Zayatte

25. Daniel Cousin

26. Tony Warner

27. Nicky Featherstone

28. Ibrahima Sonko (on loan from Stoke City)

29. Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink

31. Will Atkinson

35. Liam Cooper

39. Steve Gardner

40. Ryan Kendall

41. John Leonard

42. Nathan Hanley

43. Yann Ekra

44. Seyi Olofinjana

45. Tom Cairney

 

I know which team I'd prefer to manage, don't you? West Hams squad is mentally stronger, yet obviously managed a **** load worse than 2 crap teams managed by very average managers.

[Turkish]

Last years West Ham squad, finished 17th:

 

 

Last years Wolves squad, finished 15th, 3 points ahead:

 

1 - Wayne Hennessey

2 -

3 - George Elokobi

4 - Dave Edwards

5 - Richard Stearman

6 - Jody Craddock

7 - Michael Kightly

8 - Karl Henry

9 - Sylvan Ebanks-Blake

10 - Andy Keogh

11 - Stephen Ward

12 - Andrew Surman

13 - Marcus Hahnemann

14 - David Jones

15 - Greg Halford

16 - Christophe Berra

17 - Matt Jarvis

18 - Sam Vokes

19 - Chris Iwelumo

20 - Nened Milijas

21 - Daniel Jones

22 - Jason Shackell

23 - Ronald Zubar

24 - Mark Little

25 - Neill Collins

26 - Matt Hill

27 -

28 - George Friend

29 - Kevin Doyle

30 - Carl Ikeme

31 - Matt Murray

32 - Kevin Foley

33 -

34 - Darren Ward

35 - Elliott Bennett

36 - Johnny Dunleavy

37 - Kyle Bennett

38 - David Davis

39 - Sam Winnall

40 - Danny Batth

41 - Ashley Hemmings

42 - Scott Malone

 

Last years Hull squad, finished 19th, 5 points behind:

 

1. Boaz Myhill

3. Andy Dawson

4. Ian Ashbee (captain)

5. Anthony Gardner

6. Paul McShane

7. Craig Fagan

8. Nick Barmby (vice-captain)

9. Jozy Altidore (on loan from Villarreal)

10. Geovanni

11. Stephen Hunt

12. Matt Duke

14. Richard Garcia

15. Bernard Mendy

16. Péter Halmosi

17. Kevin Kilbane

19. Steven Mouyokolo

20. George Boateng

21. Jimmy Bullard

22. Dean Marney

23. Kamel Ghilas

24. Kamil Zayatte

25. Daniel Cousin

26. Tony Warner

27. Nicky Featherstone

28. Ibrahima Sonko (on loan from Stoke City)

29. Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink

31. Will Atkinson

35. Liam Cooper

39. Steve Gardner

40. Ryan Kendall

41. John Leonard

42. Nathan Hanley

43. Yann Ekra

44. Seyi Olofinjana

45. Tom Cairney

 

I know which team I'd prefer to manage, don't you? West Hams squad is mentally stronger, yet obviously managed a **** load worse than 2 crap teams managed by very average managers.

 

So nothing at all to do with the chairman putting the whole squad up for sale then? Obviously this would make no difference to the morale and performances of certain players. A similar squad finished 9th.

[RedArmy]

And a similar squad with a much better manager (Grant) is bottom without a point.

[Turkish]

The only response to this is Eh?

 

Mowbray, Davies and Jewell got jobs in the top flight by being promoted to it, ie earning the right to be there. They weren't just parachuted in like a Zola.

 

And Jewell's record is actually very good in the top flight. Better than Pearce who you seem to be salivating over, and far better than Zola.

 

And don't bring Curbs or McLaren into it, again managers with excellent records everywhere they've been.

 

Stuart Pearce is, and always will be, a sh*t manager. Zola is unproven and I will not accept your premise that he will definitely do well at L1 because he was average at Prem level. It doesn't work like that. Ask Luca Vialli.

 

Yep, jewell has got a great record in the PL in 5 seasons two relegation and two last day scrapes to stay up. Including No wins at all and a record low points tally at Derby. Great record is that.

 

Of course no one will definitely be a success, the point is that is someone has had relvative success or experience at a higher level there is a better chance than some who hasn't.

 

And i cant mention Curbishley but you can mention Robson to try to prove yours? How does that work?

 

And your point about Mowbray, Davies and Jewell getting promoted into top flight proves my point, all got promoted and then relegated or sacked. So all a success at Championship level, but not in the premier. Thanks very much.

Edited 31 August, 2010 by Turkish

[Deppo]

It's the Eric Djemba-Djemba rule.

 

The Eric Djemba-Djemba rule! He's pulled out the Eric Djemba-Djembe rule! CB Fry is the best internet arguer I have ever seen! He's brilliant!

[David Strover]

I'm starting to think there isn't anyone lined up - events seem to be pointing towards this.

[Turkish]

I'm starting to think there isn't anyone lined up - events seem to be pointing towards this.

 

The fact that we have approach Paul Hart suggests this, unless it's a smokescreen, but i doubt it.

[Deppo]

Behave yourself you whinging, miserable sod. It works out £0.013 per day, you wouldn't get this much pleasure anywhere else for that.

 

That's basically a "chomp" every 2 weeks. I know what I'd find more satifying

[JustMike]

Now whilst i dont agree with the sacking of AP, we are where we are. I cant believe some of you are turning your noses up at the likes of Zola, Curbishley and Pearce, proven managers with premier league experience. Apparantly Zola is not good enough because he has no league one experience and didn't set the world on fire at West Ham, depsite mid table finish and keeping them up when they were a mess, likewise Stuart Pearce. I spoke to my boss this morning, he lives in Cheshire and a Crewe Alexandera fan would you believe, he burst out laughing when i told him some of the names linked, saying 'why would any of them go to League 1?" This is how it is seen outside of Southampton, why would Curbishley, Zola etc come here? If we get anyone of them, it is a massive coup. You are mad and deluded if you think otherwise. Get a grip of reality people!!!

 

ummm to be fair, Zola / Pearce are hardly "proven managers". The club statement suggested that the manger coming in would be a guy capable of getting us to the prem and keeping us there, cant see Zola / Pearce fitting that bill if they didnt feel Pards could do it.

 

Agree on the Curbs bit though.

[Turkish]

That's basically a "chomp" every 2 weeks. I know what I'd find more satifying

 

f*ckin' hell, where do you go?