Today

[sadoldgit]

I appreciate that some people are kicking off and that some people are trying to be fair and even handed.

 

However, whichever way you look at it it has not been a great day for SFC.

 

I really hope I am wrong, but I think today's debacle, be it Cortese fault or the medias fault, makes promotion this year more unlikely.

 

Is it a coincidence or has the fact that Markus has sadly passed away means that a steading hand on the tiller has gone and we are now adrift and well off course? And if that is the case, how long before the family get shot of us?

[NickG]

why do you thing today has a big impact on promotion?

[Saint Charlie]

Today shows the importance of the media and how people take everything as gospel despite the club saying all official news would appear first on the OS.

 

We want to know too much and arent good at assessing information. It also shows that NC has targetted someone who knows this league, a clever move IMO.

[CB Fry]

I've been out of the country all day, so I have only sketchy knowledge of what's happened today and in what order.

 

But from what I can see now, it does look like a shambles with no one from any side looking good - Katkins crying off back home, the Scunny chairman giving it large, Cortese quibbling over compensation.

 

I have a fear that Mr Cortese will get bored with dealing with "outside forces" and just appoint Wilkins, as he is "popular with the players" or somesuch. Much like Lowe when he couldn't meet the staffing demands of Moyes or the financial demands of McClaren and lumped it all on Stuart Gray.

Edited 9 September, 2010 by CB Fry
"meet" not "mean"

[buctootim]

Its not been a great day, except for slapstick entertainment value. Im not sure that ANYONE is to blame. It seems to be one of those freak accidents that occur when you have a collision between a doddery chairman trying to keep his manager, an unusually principled football manager and a club chairman in a hurry. Dont think any of it has any impact on promotion prospects though.

[dubai_phil]

I've been out of the country all day, so I have only sketchy knowledge of what's happened today and in what order.

 

But from what I can see now, it does look like a shambles with no one from any side looking good - Katkins crying off back home, the Scunny chairman giving it large, Cortese quibbling over compensation.

 

I have a fear that Mr Cortese will get bored with dealing with "outside forces" and just appoint Wilkins, as he is "popular with the players" or somesuch. Much like Lowe when he couldn't mean the staffing demands of Moyes or the financial demands of McClaren and lumped it all on Stuart Gray.

 

My house is on the last bit NOT happening.

 

Actually think we could come out of today looking very good. Brit society is all about the NOW, but I have a sneaking suspicion (whether intended or not) this will work out

[Professor]

Today shows the importance of the media and how people take everything as gospel despite the club saying all official news would appear first on the OS.

We want to know too much and arent good at assessing information. It also shows that NC has targetted someone who knows this league, a clever move IMO.

WE know several things that have not been mentioned on the OS at all. Some from reports in the media, such as Phil Brown's interview, Sc u nthorpe's chairman fighting his corner and Nigel Adkin's position at his press conference. It can be difficult to separate the facts from the spin, but that can also be said about information on the OS.

[Saintandy666]

I disagree. I think if we manage to get a manager in by the very latest the game after next, we should be fine. Everything will then settle down, and with over 40 games left and 126 points to play for, I reckon we can sort it out.

[dune]

Another pointless thread wher one poster thinks his view may be lost in an existing thread so starts a new one. SOG I would have expected better of you. Take a leaf out of Delldays book and stop being a dull, pointless, annoying troll that would e doing himself a favour by standing in front of a train type poster

[L1Minus10]

I prefer to just wait and see who we get. How we get there is ultimately unimportant. The press have their agenda, the S****horpe chairman has his, the Bournemouth chairman has his - all unimportant at the end of the day.

[CB Fry]

Today shows the importance of the media and how people take everything as gospel despite the club saying all official news would appear first on the OS.

 

We want to know too much and arent good at assessing information. It also shows that NC has targetted someone who knows this league, a clever move IMO.

 

 

LOLtastic. The OS is as full of as much spin and bullshi t as any other outlet.

[sadoldgit]

Another pointless thread wher one poster thinks his view may be lost in an existing thread so starts a new one. SOG I would have expected better of you. Take a leaf out of Delldays book and stop being a dull, pointless, annoying troll that would e doing himself a favour by standing in front of a train type poster

 

By all means have a pop at my thread Dune, but a troll?

[buctootim]

Whether co-incidence or not, what today seems to have done is to bring a bit of humour and positivity back into this forum. Been a much better place to be today than for ages.

[sadoldgit]

Whether co-incidence or not, what today seems to have done is to bring a bit of humour and positivity back into this forum. Been a much better place to be today than for ages.

 

As Dame Edna Everidge once said to a Tory nob, "If you can't laugh at yourself, you might be missing the joke of the century."

[sadoldgit]

why do you thing today has a big impact on promotion?

 

Why, do you think it hasn't? Really Nick, I think you are popping the happy pills. We have a good squad and had a decent manager. We had a slow start but were making chances and got it together at Bristol. We sack the decent manager and the club turns into a farce. Two managers of lowly status have found reasons not to join us today. Alan Pardew has managed reasonably well in the Premiership and is a memory. The wow factor we were promised has turned into "Wow, what a c*ck up."

 

Perhaps we will go up this season still, but I don't think that todays events have made that any easier.

[Topcat]

There is the chap who works in a bank in London handling the investments for a few multi millionaires. Now just put him in charge of a football club and explain why anyone should be surprised that he completely f**k's up

1. Relations with the media.

2. Relations with some long standing customers.

3. The hiring of key Managerial roles.

[Saint Charlie]

LOLtastic. The OS is as full of as much spin and bullshi t as any other outlet.

 

And Sky and the BBC aren't?

 

Would be easier if we didnt know all the crap in the middle and were just told real news ie Adkins is appointed, when it actually happens rather than when a phonemcall is made or when agent tells SSN that Hart is being appointed or Talksport reporting Phil Brown has picked his nose.

 

The only real news today has come from the OS and Adkins himself, all else is subjective and hearsay.

 

Would Howe really be offered the job whilst NC was in the middle of negotiating with Scunny for Adkins? Of course not. But look at the lift his 'snub' has given AFCB.

 

Its games, what the football media is used for. But people believe all they read! Less than half is probably true!

 

NC is no mug. He has conducted an interview process. He wouldn't offer two guys the same job on the same day. Why would he? Because the AFCB chairman says so? Come on!!

[CanadaSaint]

I just wonder what the dressing room thinks.

 

I mean, it's one thing to watch Coronation Street and another thing entirely to be in it.

[sadoldgit]

And Sky and the BBC aren't?

 

Would be easier if we didnt know all the crap in the middle and were just told real news ie Adkins is appointed, when it actually happens rather than when a phonemcall is made or when agent tells SSN that Hart is being appointed or Talksport reporting Phil Brown has picked his nose.

 

The only real news today has come from the OS and Adkins himself, all else is subjective and hearsay.

 

Would Howe really be offered the job whilst NC was in the middle of negotiating with Scunny for Adkins? Of course not. But look at the lift his 'snub' has given AFCB.

 

Its games, what the football media is used for. But people believe all they read! Less than half is probably true!

 

NC is no mug. He has conducted an interview process. He wouldn't offer two guys the same job on the same day. Why would he? Because the AFCB chairman says so? Come on!!

 

Why wouldn't he? He just sacked a perfectly good manager after a 4-0 win away.

[Amesbury Saint]

I must be the only one who thinks today does not matter in the great scheme of supporting Saints.

Really could not give a toss what the media thinks.

All NC needs to do is get an excellent manager.

 

Footballers, football managers, agents - many are overpaid tossers who fill too many pages of the NOTW, Sun etc with their sex life and poor moral compass.

 

Next beer please!

[St Steve]

Another pointless thread wher one poster thinks his view may be lost in an existing thread so starts a new one. SOG I would have expected better of you. Take a leaf out of Delldays book and stop being a dull, pointless, annoying troll that would e doing himself a favour by standing in front of a train type poster

 

I prefere post slike this, I see a tread with 1,2,3,4,5,5,6,7,8,9...22 I can not be arsed to even look at it.

[NickG]

Why, do you think it hasn't? Really Nick, I think you are popping the happy pills. We have a good squad and had a decent manager. We had a slow start but were making chances and got it together at Bristol. We sack the decent manager and the club turns into a farce. Two managers of lowly status have found reasons not to join us today. Alan Pardew has managed reasonably well in the Premiership and is a memory. The wow factor we were promised has turned into "Wow, what a c*ck up."

 

Perhaps we will go up this season still, but I don't think that todays events have made that any easier.

 

you said about today - not getting rid of Pardew.

do you think he won't get the manager he wants? Adknis sounded desperate to join and has called his chairman a liar and sort compensation out.

the one manager I am aware we are talking to seriuosly is of a less lowly status than us - due to him getting his team promoted from this division.

 

who promised a "wow" factor??

 

Think there is a danger of believing too much on here and in media at mo.

[dubai_phil]

you said about today - not getting rid of Pardew.

do you think he won't get the manager he wants? Adknis sounded desperate to join and has called his chairman a liar and sort compensation out.

the one manager I am aware we are talking to seriuosly is of a less lowly status than us - due to him getting his team promoted from this division.

 

who promised a "wow" factor??

 

Think there is a danger of believing too much on here and in media at mo.

 

Yep

 

Think everyone should read the Cortese Questions thread

[Saint_clark]

The exact quote with regards to "wow factor" was that the appointment would "show that Cortese knows what he's doing".

Now yes, this could have been interpreted as a big name appointment coming up. But I think this statement should be taken more at face value.

Cortese has been accused in the past of not knowing what it takes to succeed in football, and you'd think that someone who was naive in what it takes to get promoted from this league would just go for the big name - Zola, Shearer etc - and assume they would succeed.

However, by offering the job to Adkins, Cortese has shown that he knows what it takes to get out of this league. In short, he knows what he's doing.

We've got exactly what we were promised.

[NorthamSteve]

The exact quote with regards to "wow factor" was that the appointment would "show that Cortese knows what he's doing".

Now yes, this could have been interpreted as a big name appointment coming up. But I think this statement should be taken more at face value.

Cortese has been accused in the past of not knowing what it takes to succeed in football, and you'd think that someone who was naive in what it takes to get promoted from this league would just go for the big name - Zola, Shearer etc - and assume they would succeed.

However, by offering the job to Adkins, Cortese has shown that he knows what it takes to get out of this league. In short, he knows what he's doing.

We've got exactly what we were promised.

 

hurrah!

[musesaint]

The exact quote with regards to "wow factor" was that the appointment would "show that Cortese knows what he's doing".

Now yes, this could have been interpreted as a big name appointment coming up. But I think this statement should be taken more at face value.

Cortese has been accused in the past of not knowing what it takes to succeed in football, and you'd think that someone who was naive in what it takes to get promoted from this league would just go for the big name - Zola, Shearer etc - and assume they would succeed.

However, by offering the job to Adkins, Cortese has shown that he knows what it takes to get out of this league. In short, he knows what he's doing.

 

We've got exactly what we were promised.

 

Double Hurrah !

[dubai_phil]

Double Hurrah !

 

and a rah rah from here on top

[sadoldgit]

you said about today - not getting rid of Pardew.

do you think he won't get the manager he wants? Adknis sounded desperate to join and has called his chairman a liar and sort compensation out.

the one manager I am aware we are talking to seriuosly is of a less lowly status than us - due to him getting his team promoted from this division.

 

who promised a "wow" factor??

 

Think there is a danger of believing too much on here and in media at mo.

 

If he is so desparate to join us why doesn't he just resign? Didn't the club promise us "Wow". You seem to have signed up to the Cortese bandwagon Nick whereas I had you pegged as your own man before?

[sadoldgit]

The exact quote with regards to "wow factor" was that the appointment would "show that Cortese knows what he's doing".

Now yes, this could have been interpreted as a big name appointment coming up. But I think this statement should be taken more at face value.

Cortese has been accused in the past of not knowing what it takes to succeed in football, and you'd think that someone who was naive in what it takes to get promoted from this league would just go for the big name - Zola, Shearer etc - and assume they would succeed.

However, by offering the job to Adkins, Cortese has shown that he knows what it takes to get out of this league. In short, he knows what he's doing.

We've got exactly what we were promised.

 

Surely if he knew what it takes to get out of this league he would not have sacked Pardew?

[Saint_clark]

Surely if he knew what it takes to get out of this league he would not have sacked Pardew?

 

Come off it. We all know that Pardew getting sacked had nothing to do with results and performances on the pitch.

I'm sure that Cortese would have been more than happy to see us go up under Pardew, but his hand was forced by other events. What those are we'll probably never know.

[sadoldgit]

Come off it. We all know that Pardew getting sacked had nothing to do with results and performances on the pitch.

I'm sure that Cortese would have been more than happy to see us go up under Pardew, but his hand was forced by other events. What those are we'll probably never know.

 

You are right, it was a clash of egos. His hand was forced by the fact that he couldn't stand back and let a good manage manage. The other events you allude to had nothing to do with Pardew and other players wives. Cortese wanted him out, it is that simple. If he would have been ahppy if AP had taken us up, why didn't he give him praise when he won us the cup?