Colinjb Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 I am trying to sort out the riddle that is my home and right now I am having some boiler issues. I live in a 3 bedroom terraced house. It currently has two boilers. One is located behind the fire in the lounge. It's an ancient EMI Housewarmer 2 35/45 which is a combination fire and back boiler which powers the central heating. The second (A Glow-worm Ascot 1.4S) is in the kitchen that looks after all tapped hot water. The central heating boiler is on it's last legs. The Kitchen one is working rather well though, never had any problems. Can these two boilers be combined into one unit? And, heaven forbid, how much would this kind of work cost!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 Your best bet is to PM Junction 9. He's in the business and has helped quite a few SWF members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 I am trying to sort out the riddle that is my home and right now I am having some boiler issues. I live in a 3 bedroom terraced house. It currently has two boilers. One is located behind the fire in the lounge. It's an ancient EMI Housewarmer 2 35/45 which is a combination fire and back boiler which powers the central heating. The second (A Glow-worm Ascot 1.4S) is in the kitchen that looks after all tapped hot water. The central heating boiler is on it's last legs. The Kitchen one is working rather well though, never had any problems. Can these two boilers be combined into one unit? And, heaven forbid, how much would this kind of work cost!? Your best bet would be to install a combi. You could have it running just the central heating initially if you don't want to lose the Ascot yet. Then have the hw taken off the combi at a later date. I would advise you just rip both and have it all done in one hit. Would be cheaper labour wise that way and both appliances are almost obsolete parts wise anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 25 January, 2011 Your best bet would be to install a combi. You could have it running just the central heating initially if you don't want to lose the Ascot yet. Then have the hw taken off the combi at a later date. I would advise you just rip both and have it all done in one hit. Would be cheaper labour wise that way and both appliances are almost obsolete parts wise anyway. So a combi boiler will be able to handle both the hot tap water and central heating. Ok. I would therefore be paying for: New Boiler. Removal of the old ones. Re-pipping the central heating lines from underneath the fireplace to the kitchen to the combi A new thermostat arrangement Labour Is that about right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 So a combi boiler will be able to handle both the hot tap water and central heating. Ok. I would therefore be paying for: New Boiler. Removal of the old ones. Re-pipping the central heating lines from underneath the fireplace to the kitchen to the combi A new thermostat arrangement Labour Is that about right? Yep, that about covers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 J9 will do the whole lot for £400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 25 January, 2011 Yep, that about covers it. I think I need to have a little weep over the money i'm about to lose. At least I have an idea what would need to be done now. No chance of you driving up to Coventry to do the work I take it? 400 quid sounds excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 I think there was another poster from the midlands who J9 drove up to help out, so although you're asking in jest, he'll probably help out if you offer him some beers and accomodation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 25 January, 2011 (edited) I think there was another poster from the midlands who J9 drove up to help out, so although you're asking in jest, he'll probably help out if you offer him some beers and accomodation! That could be done! Just hope he doesn't mind if the accomodation is themed for a 2 year old child. (after a few beers I wouldn't care just so long I could fit in the bed...) What type/brand/spec of combi boiler should I be looking at. Any you would recommend J9? Edited 25 January, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 That could be done! Just hope he doesn't mind if the accomodation is themed for a 2 year old child. theres a gary glitter gag there somewhere, but I just cant be arsed to look for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 So a combi boiler will be able to handle both the hot tap water and central heating. Ok. I would therefore be paying for: New Boiler. Removal of the old ones. Re-pipping the central heating lines from underneath the fireplace to the kitchen to the combi A new thermostat arrangement Labour Is that about right? I had a new combi fitted in October (no choice, otherone was dead) and TBF it's made a big difference. House is warmer and therm useage is down. With some serious haggling I got it for a "fair" price but it was still eye wateringly expensive but will pay for itself over 5 years if my calculations are correct. Nothern Gas did mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 Colin, To save a few bob ask the installer to give you a discount if he (or she) leaves you to dispose of the pipes. I got about sixty quid cash for our haul and all for spending less than an hour cutting the fittings off and taking it to a scrappies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 January, 2011 Share Posted 25 January, 2011 You might be able to get a grant - try here http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Home-improvements-and-products/Heating-and-hot-water . Even if you dont though - as VTT said, a new boiler will be much cheaper to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 So a combi boiler will be able to handle both the hot tap water and central heating. Ok. I would therefore be paying for: New Boiler. Removal of the old ones. Re-pipping the central heating lines from underneath the fireplace to the kitchen to the combi A new thermostat arrangement Labour Is that about right? To be fair, we're all paying the price for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 I think there was another poster from the midlands who J9 drove up to help out, so although you're asking in jest, he'll probably help out if you offer him some beers and accomodation! Are you J9's agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Have 16 kids and get it all done for free courtesy of the taxpayer.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 There was a boiler scrappage scheme in place. I don't know if it's been discontinued by the current administration but it would be worth checking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 That could be done! Just hope he doesn't mind if the accomodation is themed for a 2 year old child. (after a few beers I wouldn't care just so long I could fit in the bed...) What type/brand/spec of combi boiler should I be looking at. Any you would recommend J9? Specification is largely down to size of house and the amount of hot water you're likely to use (a higher spec boiler will provide a greater flow of hot water). For a three-bedroom terrace house you won't want anything extravagant. I'm not an expert, but I know a few gas fitters (none anywhere near you though, unfortunately!). Consensus seems to be that the best makes are Weissmann and Bosch - I'd heard of Bosch's quality falling a bit recently though. Don't just go for the cheapest option; quality is worth the extra money. One final point; you'll save on gas bills once you've replaced the archaic units you currently have. A new condensing combi boiler will be rated at 98% efficient or higher, whereas you'll be lucky to get 50% efficiency from the back boiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 There was a boiler scrappage scheme in place. I don't know if it's been discontinued by the current administration but it would be worth checking out. It was administered by these guys http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Resources/Features/Features-archive/Goodbye-Boiler-Scrappage-Scheme.-Hello-more-ways-to-save-energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 theres a gary glitter gag there somewhere, but I just cant be arsed to look for it But you found it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Colin, To save a few bob ask the installer to give you a discount if he (or she) leaves you to dispose of the pipes. I got about sixty quid cash for our haul and all for spending less than an hour cutting the fittings off and taking it to a scrappies. So you get to the scrap value of the copper, and you want the installer to discount you for the privellge? Like that's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 That could be done! Just hope he doesn't mind if the accomodation is themed for a 2 year old child. (after a few beers I wouldn't care just so long I could fit in the bed...) What type/brand/spec of combi boiler should I be looking at. Any you would recommend J9? Go for Vaillant if you can afford or it Worcester as a very good alternative. Also, please ignore Deppo when he says I will come and do jobs for people on this forum. I never have, it's a little wind up he likes to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 26 January, 2011 Share Posted 26 January, 2011 Go for Vaillant if you can afford or it Worcester as a very good alternative. Also, please ignore Deppo when he says I will come and do jobs for people on this forum. I never have, it's a little wind up he likes to do. have you stopped doing jobs for people? Sorry J9 and sorry forum, I just seem to remember J9 sorting a few people out back in the days when Keith was in charge. Maybe this is another thing that has changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Go for Vaillant if you can afford or it Worcester as a very good alternative. How good are the Baxi ones? I've found a good price on many of them (a bit cheaper then the vailants.... but naturally I've no idea how they would function.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 Go for Vaillant if you can afford or it Worcester as a very good alternative. Also, please ignore Deppo when he says I will come and do jobs for people on this forum. I never have, it's a little wind up he likes to do. Just to back-up that advice; I have a Worcester combi boiler which is now approx 12 years old. I have it safety checked every year as part of my Homecare service and every year the Engineer tells me that it is WELL above the efficiency standard required (as in it hasn't degraded or become less efficient over time) and they all say that they are one of the most reliable ...HTH in your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 January, 2011 Share Posted 27 January, 2011 How good are the Baxi ones? I've found a good price on many of them (a bit cheaper then the vailants.... but naturally I've no idea how they would function.) The efficiency of your old boiler will be around 50-65%. A modern condensing boiler will get over 90% so you will get a massive saving on your gas bill by having a new one installed. Given that you want it to last as long as possible and that a big proportion of the cost will be the labour and pipe work, go for the best boiler you can - it will pay for itself in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 28 January, 2011 Share Posted 28 January, 2011 How good are the Baxi ones? I've found a good price on many of them (a bit cheaper then the vailants.... but naturally I've no idea how they would function.) To put it into car comaprison.. Vaillant = Mercedes. Worcester = Audi . Baxi = Ford/Vauxhall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 What would a Skoda Fabia be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 So you get to the scrap value of the copper, and you want the installer to discount you for the privellge? Like that's going to happen. did for us. got a quote for the whole job first then asked the discount for leaving the pipework in the loft, knocked £75 off the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 we also had a magatec (iirc) fitted, zero maintenence re working parts and always get a load of sludge out after each cleaning which is a simple case of shutting the taps and rinsing the inner sleeve unedr a tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Go for Vaillant if you can afford or it Worcester as a very good alternative. Also, please ignore Deppo when he says I will come and do jobs for people on this forum. I never have, it's a little wind up he likes to do. sorry, i fell for this, oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 All sorted now. A Worcester Combi Greenstar Junior 28i (chosen over a Vailant on the fitters recommendation) has just been installed. Total cost for getting rid of the old and installing the new, £2,000. Could have been far worse!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 12 February, 2011 Share Posted 12 February, 2011 Did someone forget to do the 'I got rid of my old boiler, but she keeps ringing me up' joke?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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