trousers Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Adkins interview on Football Focus at 12:15pm today (BBC1) (Apologies if already mentioned elsewhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 I for one think that his vision of a first team made up primarily of players brought through the SFC youth ranks can't possibly fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 I for one think that his vision of a first team made up primarily of players brought through the SFC youth ranks can't possibly fail. Sorry, I think I missed something. Was it an interview with Nigel Adkins or Rupert Lowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Bertie Mee and Bob Paisley were physios before becoming Managers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Sorry, I think I missed something. Was it an interview with Nigel Adkins or Rupert Lowe?Same vision. Anyone would think that the club was using Lowe's business plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Same vision. Anyone would think that the club was using Lowe's business plan Meet the new boss, same as the old boss eh for Signor Cortese... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 I for one think that his vision of a first team made up primarily of players brought through the SFC youth ranks can't possibly fail. Didn't we do that in the season we went down to league one? Team for the last game that year had Lallana,Gobern,James,Lancashire,Gillett,Surman,Mcnish and DMG in it. All 8 of those i think have been in our youth teams? But to be fair to those players they were always doomed to fail that year, crap managers, crap coaching structure and a chairman wanting to throw them in at the deep end. Thank god we have a good manager, good coaches and a good chairman now hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Same vision. Anyone would think that the club was using Lowe's business plan Or even Alex Ferguson eh? Nothing wrong with the vision just got to have the players to make it happen and whether they can step up and fulfil their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaststander Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Disappointed that he got pulled up for using cliches, and he didn't mention buildings or buses once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Or even Alex Ferguson eh? Nothing wrong with the vision just got to have the players to make it happen and whether they can step up and fulfil their potential.Absolutely. My comment was not a criticism of the vision. I support it. Lowe bought our youngsters all in together last time as we have no money. Different now. It works for Barcelona. You still have to buy players but your home grown mean less outlays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Yeah because Barca have got it SO wrong !!!! Lowe`s business plan was done on the cheap, and only worked if we sold the end product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Same vision. Anyone would think that the club was using Lowe's business plan Wow, now that is a huge shock. How do you know it was Ruperts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Thats not aimed at you weston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 http://www.itv.com/sport/football/facup/news/fa-cup-fourth-round-southampton-manchester-united-live1039/#intcmp=792063_123_1 At least he`s done his home work lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Yeah because Barca have got it SO wrong !!!! Lowe`s business plan was done on the cheap, and only worked if we sold the end product. The vision of developing youth in the Lowe era was patently not done "on the cheap". Nice article in today's paper about that very thing: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jan/28/southampton-alex-oxlade-chamberlain Spunking money we didn't have on wages to keep us in the Prem was done "on the cheap", of course. But that's a slightly different thing and debate done to death. Once we changed strategy after "we got our club back" and allowed Burley to spiff money left right and centre on the first team we never looked back of course.... Chamberlain will be sold. Just like Bale and Theo. Don't kid yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 The vision of developing youth in the Lowe era was patently not done "on the cheap". Nice article in today's paper about that very thing: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jan/28/southampton-alex-oxlade-chamberlain Spunking money we didn't have on wages to keep us in the Prem was done "on the cheap", of course. But that's a slightly different thing and debate done to death. Once we changed strategy after "we got our club back" and allowed Burley to spiff money left right and centre on the first team we never looked back of course.... Chamberlain will be sold. Just like Bale and Theo. Don't kid yourself. But as mentioned before about that article. We always had talented youngsters at the club. One of them would go on to be one of the greatest strikers of all time and the current all time PL top scorer. Had nothing to do with Lowe or his vision. Same can be said of so many players. As someone mentioned above it is down to the players and the coaches. Happens at every club. The difference now is we will sell those players on our own terms. We don't need to sell them to keep the club going. Such was Lowe's way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 I thought this thread was about the Nigel Atkins interview I had not realised we are still debating lowe can we not move on I feel a week end of wrist sliiting happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 I for one think that his vision of a first team made up primarily of players brought through the SFC youth ranks can't possibly fail. An honourable vision and one that I'm sure many could/would buy in to. However, there are a number of obstacles to fulfilling this dream, not least that it would take some doing to produce enough youngsters on a regular basis that are capable of playing in the first team. And as you go higher through the leagues than their ability has to be even greater. And of course another obstacle is the minute anyone shows a degree of talent, then the big players and big chequebooks will attempt to lure them away. Nothing wrong with having a strong development system (both to play in the first team and to earn money from - my priority would be for them to be playing for us, but I'm not naive to think we can hold on to every star!!), but I think a team primarily made up of home grown talent may never be achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Absolutely. My comment was not a criticism of the vision. I support it. Lowe bought our youngsters all in together last time as we have no money. Different now. It works for Barcelona. You still have to buy players but your home grown mean less outlays And mine wasn't a criticism of you - some of the best football I've seen from Saints was when we had the youngsters playing with the likes of Alan all etc - Steve Williams springs to mind. So the vision is a sound one based on history - not only at Saints but at a lot of other teams as well. OXO would be better off staying here in the long run but a lot will be decided on where we are playing next season. Anyway - I thought NA came across well as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 An honourable vision and one that I'm sure many could/would buy in to. However, there are a number of obstacles to fulfilling this dream, not least that it would take some doing to produce enough youngsters on a regular basis that are capable of playing in the first team. And as you go higher through the leagues than their ability has to be even greater. And of course another obstacle is the minute anyone shows a degree of talent, then the big players and big chequebooks will attempt to lure them away. Nothing wrong with having a strong development system (both to play in the first team and to earn money from - my priority would be for them to be playing for us, but I'm not naive to think we can hold on to every star!!), but I think a team primarily made up of home grown talent may never be achievable. Those who look at Barca and Arsenal and admire their youth and growth policies forget that those clubs can only achieve this because of their status on the world stage. The minute we produce talent in League One it will most likely leave. Not because we want them to, but because the player decides his future not us. And any player given an option to build something here or move to Barcelona, won't think twice. The reality is surely that we must continue to mix homegrown and purchased talent rather like... er every club in the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 So your saying we HAVE to sell this time round ? If Chamberlain is sold (tick tock) Its not down to us needing money ! You have to pay tribute to Southampton because they had such a good academy but just couldn't take advantage of it," said Wenger. " and who was at fault for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 ffs...I dont think they (the club) really mean that 11 of our players will be from the academy....why do people assume that..? however, football finance is changing massively in the next 4-5 years and most clubs will have to look within much much more than ever before to bring players trough.. we have already started (again) with setting ourselves up for the future..... why do we have such hysterical tarts as saints fans..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 ffs...I dont think they (the club) really mean that 11 of our players will be from the academy....why do people assume that..? however, football finance is changing massively in the next 4-5 years and most clubs will have to look within much much more than ever before to bring players trough.. we have already started (again) with setting ourselves up for the future..... why do we have such hysterical tarts as saints fans..? Mainly because when the last Chairman focused on the Academy he did so totally at the expense of the first team. Thankfully, the purchase of De Prado, Lambert, Barnard, Richardson, etc tells you that this Chairman has his head screwed on a little tighter!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Mainly because when the last Chairman focused on the Academy he did so totally at the expense of the first team. Thankfully, the purchase of De Prado, Lambert, Barnard, Richardson, etc tells you that this Chairman has his head screwed on a little tighter!! but this is not the last chairman.....we are not a PLC...we dont have arry redknapp..we dont have jan portvliet....this is not the EXACT same as you say, we have just bought do prado...do you really think (as some do) they litterally want 11 players from the youth team..? really..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 but this is not the last chairman.....we are not a PLC...we dont have arry redknapp..we dont have jan portvliet....this is not the EXACT same as you say, we have just bought do prado...do you really think (as some do) they litterally want 11 players from the youth team..? really..? No, I don't. But I think some of our fans need a reality check too. Most of the good players we produce will leave. That's just football. Shame but it's because they have agents and will be offered silly money to sit on the bench somewhere and most of 'em will take it, sadly,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 No, I don't. But I think some of our fans need a reality check too. Most of the good players we produce will leave. That's just football. Shame but it's because they have agents and will be offered silly money to sit on the bench somewhere and most of 'em will take it, sadly,,,, exactly...putting everything down as a failure because people will leave now and in the enxt few years...but some will stay like lallana...how much would he have cost us to buy this season..? probably would never have had a chance ever whilst in league 1...so there is success RIGHT there... why does everything have to be black and white....instant failure or instant success time and time again..we as fans show ourselves as have not a clue what so ever about football..and dismissing the idea of putting more emphasis on our own (pretty successful) academy as failure is yet another example of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 exactly...putting everything down as a failure because people will leave now and in the enxt few years...but some will stay like lallana...how much would he have cost us to buy this season..? probably would never have had a chance ever whilst in league 1...so there is success RIGHT there... why does everything have to be black and white....instant failure or instant success time and time again..we as fans show ourselves as have not a clue what so ever about football..and dismissing the idea of putting more emphasis on our own (pretty successful) academy as failure is yet another example of this I have no issues at all with the way the club is being run. It's bang on the money. We are buying our way out of the league as well as investing in the future. It's the perfect balance. And if we sell Oxo for £10m, well it helps us continue to build for the future. That's the only way to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 I have no issues at all with the way the club is being run. It's bang on the money. We are buying our way out of the league as well as investing in the future. It's the perfect balance. And if we sell Oxo for £10m, well it helps us continue to build for the future. That's the only way to look at it. totally agree...OxO is going to go...lallana is staying it seems.... you just know, the minute OxO goes, people will be slating the club....i really think so many forget that we are in division 3..and we USED to raid division 3 clubs and the like for their younger players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 you just know, the minute OxO goes, people will be slating the club....i really think so many forget that we are in division 3..and we USED to raid division 3 clubs and the like for their younger players... Hardly comparable 3rd tier clubs to Saints though are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Hardly comparable 3rd tier clubs to Saints though are they? so what...though, we took Prutton from forest who was the U21 captain and a huge prospect (forest are a bigger club than saint) and their fans were furious..I remember it well..... what goes around comes around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 Man Utd couldn't keep Cristiano Ronaldo. Not home produced, I know, but merely used as evidence that these days if a player wants to move, no club can keep him. Thank you Monsieur Bosman. Back to Adkins. A mate of mine has dubbed him The Wirral Building Society Branch Manager. His press conferences do produce a fair degree of eye rolling and yawning as he trots out the same line and talks in cliches most weeks. Talks a lot, says nothing of consequence, which you could argue is the product of good media training or media awareness. As to all this stuff about him being promoted from a physio's role. In my eyes, that makes him a hungry young manager, keen to prove himself and his doubters wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 I thought he came over well... not many in football manage to avoid cliches but Nige does a few extra to keep up the average. He also deflects things he doesn't want to talk about by talking about things he does...and that's not too antagonistic to the media. Developing nicely would be his half-term report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 January, 2011 Share Posted 29 January, 2011 I for one think that his vision of a first team made up primarily of players brought through the SFC youth ranks can't possibly fail. I think it is certain to fail. Any that are any good will be bought by Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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