spyinthesky Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Sorry to have to report that our two debutant loanees both started off in a less than positive fashion at their latest respective clubs last weekend. Young Antony, as many people may have witnessed on TV, was sent off for a very reckless challenge in Barnet's 3-0 towsing by Torquay. Barnet sit bottom of League 2 Our 5 yr contracted custodian let in two howlers (one sailed over his head, the other escaped his dive!) in a 6-1 defeat at Darlington. Eastbourne Borough sit botton of the Blue Square Premier. I suppose there is only one way to go!! Hopefully one of these days the truth will out about these signings which both are up there with the Ali Dia debacle. At least he was only on a pay as you paly deal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Jeez we have to get these two clowns off the books. Smell of Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Neither of these players will ever play for us. Waste of our money and their career time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 i wonder how much their contracts will cost the club in total? and for what realy? a bit of training & banter with the rest of the lads most weeks & if their unlucky the odd month or two out on loan, doing what our club pays them for but for some other mugs desperate enough just to have players no matter how sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 We might as well just cancel their contracts and get them out the club now, whatever the cost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 We might as well just cancel their contracts and get them out the club now, whatever the cost! I agree. We lose more in the short term but it frees up the rest of the squad being dragged down by their ineptitude. They would never agree to a contract termination at a reduced rate, they know full well they will never be looked after this well for the rest of their 'professional' careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 (edited) I'm waiting for the re-emergence of the "Have you seen Pulis play?" brigade, who have been clinging to the "he's a young lad and should be given a chance" or "someone must have seen something useful in him to have given him a contract" theories like a Titanic survivor would have clung to a fragment of floating handrail. Or maybe this time the evidence is incontrovertible? Time to get proper jobs Ant and Tom. Asda will probably have something suitable on minimum wage. You'll still be able to put on boots and have joke in the warehouse. They've probably got a free shower as well. With a bit of luck they may let you put out the odd cone or two in the car park. Edited 16 February, 2011 by hughieslastminutegoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 (edited) I'm waiting for the re-emergence of the "Have you seen Pulis play?" brigade, who have been clinging to the "he's a young lad and should be given a chance" or "someone must have seen something useful in him to have given him a contract" theories like a Titanic survivor would have clung to a fragment of floating handrail. Or maybe this time the evidence is incontrovertible? Time to get proper jobs Ant and Tom. Asda will probably have something suitable on minimum wage. You'll still be able to put on boots and have joke in the warehouse. They've probably got a free shower as well. With a bit of luck they may let you put out the odd cone or two in the car park. This amuses me as well because the people who say that clearly haven't seen him play! I've seen Pulis a couple of times and on the rare occasions he was able to control the ball, the best he could do was play a 3 yard pass sideways. I'm all for giving players second and third chances but it's clear he's simply only got where he has because of who is dad is. The first 4 clubs he played for professionally, for 3 of those clubs he was signed by his dad. 38 first team appearances in 8 years(on average that's less than 5 per season) says it all. Forecast is dire also. Edited 16 February, 2011 by JackFrost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 I heard in training they used to team up for shooting practice, hence poor Tommy not having a save to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 I agree. We lose more in the short term but it frees up the rest of the squad being dragged down by their ineptitude. They would never agree to a contract termination at a reduced rate, they know full well they will never be looked after this well for the rest of their 'professional' careers. Quite. They will not get another well-paid contract elsewhere, so why would they agree to shorten the ones they have here? So since we will have to pay them the full value of their contracts anyway, we might as well keep them if no one else will take them. Forecast just might one day make a player at some level, and Pulis can help clean the proper players' boots. I just wish my Dad had been a football manager when I was young. The nepotism in football just wouldn't be allowed anywhere in the public sector, and not in many places even in the private sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 I heard in training they used to team up for shooting practice, hence poor Tommy not having a save to make! Funny as fook! Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 The nepotism in football just wouldn't be allowed anywhere in the public sector, and not in many places even in the private sector. Are you for real? Nepotism is rife in the public sector the very idea it isn't is laughable! It's also rife in the private sector! Football is in no way worse than either it's just the eye watering sums of money involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Are you for real? Nepotism is rife in the public sector the very idea it isn't is laughable! It's also rife in the private sector! Football is in no way worse than either it's just the eye watering sums of money involved! Don't know on what you base this, but the 7 Nolan principles for standards in public life are applied rigorously in public sector employment. Any public sector boss who employed his son in the way that Pulis has done several times, or even who favoured his son's business in the way that Ferguson did with Darren F and loans, would be sacked. Things are generally laxer in the private sector but still boards of directors would not exactly smile on a chief exec who used his position to help his family rather than do the best for the shareholders. This thread isn't the place but if you want to reply via "The Lounge" with some examples of nepotism in the public sector, please do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Quite. They will not get another well-paid contract elsewhere, so why would they agree to shorten the ones they have here? So since we will have to pay them the full value of their contracts anyway, we might as well keep them if no one else will take them. Forecast just might one day make a player at some level, and Pulis can help clean the proper players' boots. every time we loan them out presumably we charge out their services at a realistic value, so at least we're clawing back some of the loss that way. releasing them as you say would just crystalise the full value of the loss right now when we don't need to. I'm not sure what they would actually be entitled to though. £x up front is worth more than £x over the course of a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Neither of these players will ever play for us. Waste of our money and their career time. More importantly they prevent other young talented players progressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macey_J2 Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Cortese said they had offered certain players money to end their contracts early, and they had refused! Those players obviousbly knew they could get another contract in professional football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 every time we loan them out presumably we charge out their services at a realistic value, /QUOTE] Worse than I thought. We're probably paying Barnet and Eastbourne then? Joking aside I think it highly unlikely that we are receiving anything. In some respects it would be better to pay them off as then they would'nt be a payroll, admin, physio and get-in-the-way burden. No more time wasted thinking "what are we going to do about...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 This amuses me as well because the people who say that clearly haven't seen him play! I've seen Pulis a couple of times and on the rare occasions he was able to control the ball, the best he could do was play a 3 yard pass sideways. You've just described Ray Wilkins - and he played many times for England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Don't know on what you base this, but the 7 Nolan principles for standards in public life are applied rigorously in public sector employment. Any public sector boss who employed his son in the way that Pulis has done several times, or even who favoured his son's business in the way that Ferguson did with Darren F and loans, would be sacked. Things are generally laxer in the private sector but still boards of directors would not exactly smile on a chief exec who used his position to help his family rather than do the best for the shareholders. This thread isn't the place but if you want to reply via "The Lounge" with some examples of nepotism in the public sector, please do. Nepotism is alive and well all over the world as much as bribery and corruption work everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 Cortese said they had offered certain players money to end their contracts early, and they had refused! Those players obviousbly knew they could get another contract in professional football. Not in the case of Forecast and Pulis They would have refused because they know which side their bread was buttered at St Mary's They will NEVER get better PAY anywhere else One of Lowe's sickest jokes IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beancounter saint Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 Not in the case of Forecast and Pulis They would have refused because they know which side their bread was buttered at St Mary's They will NEVER get better PAY anywhere else One of Lowe's sickest jokes IMHO To be fair I hardly think this scenario is unique to Saints/Lowe - Winston Bogarde anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxosponge Posted 18 February, 2011 Share Posted 18 February, 2011 Cortese said they had offered certain players money to end their contracts early, and they had refused! Those players obviousbly knew they could get another contract in professional football. I missed this.Can you give a linky thingy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 18 February, 2011 Share Posted 18 February, 2011 I agree. We lose more in the short term but it frees up the rest of the squad being dragged down by their ineptitude. They would never agree to a contract termination at a reduced rate, they know full well they will never be looked after this well for the rest of their 'professional' careers. Why not just dismiss them for fraud. Pretending to be a footballer must be a crime which deserves the boot surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthlondonSaint Posted 18 February, 2011 Share Posted 18 February, 2011 Cortese said they had offered certain players money to end their contracts early, and they had refused! Those players obviousbly knew they could get another contract in professional football. This is what I heard as well, especially Forecast, who was offered a termination of his contract after only 6/7 months of being here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 25 February, 2011 Share Posted 25 February, 2011 Eastbourne Borough not that impressed with our Tommy: http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/argusgeneralsportsnews/8875325.Borough_to_make_decision_on_goalkeeper/ Hahaha - he is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 25 February, 2011 Share Posted 25 February, 2011 Don't know on what you base this, but the 7 Nolan principles for standards in public life are applied rigorously in public sector employment. Any public sector boss who employed his son in the way that Pulis has done several times, or even who favoured his son's business in the way that Ferguson did with Darren F and loans, would be sacked. Things are generally laxer in the private sector but still boards of directors would not exactly smile on a chief exec who used his position to help his family rather than do the best for the shareholders. This thread isn't the place but if you want to reply via "The Lounge" with some examples of nepotism in the public sector, please do. Houses of Parliament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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