theyin Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Just a thought and forgive me if it's already been brought up but my Forest mate reckons we were mad to have gotten rid of him. Says we'd be in the auto prom places if he was in charge. Have to say, I'm wondering if he might be right. 53% win ratio at Saints, best of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Hard to say really because there must have some issues going on that we don't know about, and had he stayed, these would surely only have worsened which would affect performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 i think adkins is 60% win,so it doesnt add up really that pardew would have us in auto promotion spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 In Newcastle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Who ****ing cares? he's gone now, we have who we have and so be it, you can't say what would have happened so why bother beating yourself up about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Who ****ing cares? he's gone now, we have who we have and so be it, you can't say what would have happened so why bother beating yourself up about it? Agree completely, but for the sake of it, I reckon we would be same or worse. If the scenario is simply that NC fired him, that is. Pardew had lost interest long before. Just go back and look at his demeanour when he went up to the "Royal Box" at Wembley, FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 TBH I don't think there is much to choose between Alan and Nigel. Both were/are capable of getting the the team to play some great football and pull of some great wins. However both seemed to be able to put out teams that gave/give terrible performances as well being coupled with odd subs and inability to change things at times. I would say Nigel has had it easier and of course Alan won a trophy (I know JPT blah blah don't care it's still a trophy). For what it's worth I think we would be higher up with AP in charge becuase I don't think he would have dropped as many points as Wilkins did in the change over period and I think AP was more than capable of doing as well as Nigel has done with this team. I can't prove any of that but there you go. Finally I think a lot of people just didn't like APs personaility were as Nigel is more likeable so people cut him more slack than they did AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Second in the league. Same position we would be Adkins had been given the whole season and Cortese hadn't messed around at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 8th or 11th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 NC made one mistake, and one only. He should have fired Pardew during the summer. Pardew's demeanor at Wembley meant his association at the club was already on borrowed time. Why NC didnt fire him, heaven knows. NC will know this was a mistake, so come May if we havent won promotion, I will expect him to act swiftly over Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Adkins looks more and more like a Div 3 possibly Div 2 manager whereas Pardew is a genuine top league manager as he is showing at the madhouse which is Newcastle. No use looking back, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Adkins looks more and more like a Div 3 possibly Div 2 manager whereas Pardew is a genuine top league manager as he is showing at the madhouse which is Newcastle. No use looking back, however. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I don't think there is much between Adkins and Pardew. Tactically I thought Pardew was left groping in fresh air too many times but he had other qualities. With no previous history and we were considering the two for manager, I would not mind either. Pardew was rightly sacked because he fooked up pre season, that cost us a load of points whether Pardew stayed or Adkins came in. That was a sheite fest that took a long time to clean up and IMO why we are not above Brighton at this moment. I doubt Pardew will make that mistake again, it's done and we have to live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I think we had an equally good manager in Pardew TBH. I really liked the bloke. Look how Ricky performed under Pardew? There was an amazing feel good factor during our first season with him. I don't think there's much between them at all - except that Cortese gets on with Adkins; which in itself counts for everything! I don't think we'd be in a very different position at all and maybe Lambert would still be scoring left right and centre? Crystal ball I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I don't think there is much between Adkins and Pardew. Tactically I thought Pardew was left groping in fresh air too many times but he had other qualities. With no previous history and we were considering the two for manager, I would not mind either. Pardew was rightly sacked because he fooked up pre season, that cost us a load of points whether Pardew stayed or Adkins came in. That was a sheite fest that took a long time to clean up and IMO why we are not above Brighton at this moment. I doubt Pardew will make that mistake again, it's done and we have to live with it. This, I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Actually, I think we'd be 9th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 We'd be supporting Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 About where we are now. Possibly higher because there would not have been the disruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I went for a poo and had a think about it and have changed my mind. I think we'd be 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 He'd be at Newscastle leaving us milling around mid table and everyone on here would think he was a ****. If he didn't go there though I think we would probably be around the same position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Pardew is at Newcastle, pointless thread zzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Pardew is at Newcastle, pointless thread zzzzzzz Making it different to all the other posts on here how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Top. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 He'd be at Newscastle leaving us milling around mid table and everyone on here would think he was a ****. If he didn't go there though I think we would probably be around the same position. But it's an interesting idea that he would have gone to Newcastle anyway.As it stands I presume he got some sort of pay-off from us and then a bumper contract from his friend Ashley.Whether you could then surmise that he engineered his own downfall with the Newcastle job already as good as in hand is debatable.Wonder just how much we had to pay him in settlement.I see that the O'Neil affair has now gone to the PMA tribunal,probably why we couldn't sign him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 But it's an interesting idea that he would have gone to Newcastle anyway.As it stands I presume he got some sort of pay-off from us and then a bumper contract from his friend Ashley.Whether you could then surmise that he engineered his own downfall with the Newcastle job already as good as in hand is debatable.Wonder just how much we had to pay him in settlement.I see that the O'Neil affair has now gone to the PMA tribunal,probably why we couldn't sign him then. After hearing that AP and MA were east end casino buddies I wouldn't be surprised if AP knew it would be on the cards as soon as CH was sacked. I'm not sure about him engineering his own downfall but perhaps knowing that such an opportunity would be around the corner, maybe he just plain didn't give a monkeys.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 After hearing that AP and MA were east end casino buddies I wouldn't be surprised if AP knew it would be on the cards as soon as CH was sacked. I'm not sure about him engineering his own downfall but perhaps knowing that such an opportunity would be around the corner, maybe he just plain didn't give a monkeys.... Or he knew his cards were marked when Reed turnned up and started looking for options in case he found a P45 coming his way. We will most likely never know. Which is why these sort of threads will carry on. Quite often when a manager is sacked the fanbase are all (90%) in agreement the manager had to go. That wasn't the case with Pardew yes some wanted him out, but I think most weren't unhappy with him So there is a sense of unfinished bussiness with AP among elements of the fan base as there is with WGS and to a lesser extent Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Or he knew his cards were marked when Reed turnned up and started looking for options in case he found a P45 coming his way. We will most likely never know. Which is why these sort of threads will carry on. Quite often when a manager is sacked the fanbase are all (90%) in agreement the manager had to go. That wasn't the case with Pardew yes some wanted him out, but I think most weren't unhappy with him So there is a sense of unfinished bussiness with AP among elements of the fan base as there is with WGS and to a lesser extent Pearson. That's a thought. How about 'Where would we be under Pearson?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 That's a thought. How about 'Where would we be under Pearson?' Conference South Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 After a spot of lunch (cream cheese, cumcumber, lettuce & tomato sandwich) I have reconsidered. I think we would be 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 No, 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 After a spot of lunch (cream cheese, cumcumber, lettuce & tomato sandwich) I have reconsidered. I think we would be 2nd. That's not lunch.....that's a snack! I bet you're hungry again already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I wrote "cumcumber" instead of "cucumber". Freud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Oh and I didn't actually eat that because I just remembered I am on hunger strike for the SWF 2. Justice for Kadeem and Atticus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 1Post post non-lunch reflection (over a mug of tea - one sugar) - 14th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I wrote "cumcumber" instead of "cucumber". Freud! Both make the bread soggy tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Conference South Playoffs, or automatic promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 1Post post non-lunch reflection (over a mug of tea - one sugar) - 14th Christ, you are tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Christ, you are tiresome. Hypo, you've got a new post to blog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Agree completely, but for the sake of it, I reckon we would be same or worse. If the scenario is simply that NC fired him, that is. Pardew had lost interest long before. Just go back and look at his demeanour when he went up to the "Royal Box" at Wembley, FFS. Honestly have no idea what you're talking about. How about his demeanour when the goals went in and he was punching the air? Just because he wasn't running around screaming his head off at full time doesn't mean he "lost interest". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Christ, you are tiresome. I aspire to be as uplifting and invigorating as yourself one day. 18th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I've gone back over all the games we have played since he left. Predicted what teams he would have picked, what tactics, what set pieces were used, who took the throw ins, the timing of substitutions, what hotels were used before away games, what they had for lunch on Tuesdays and whether they players wore long or short sleeves. The answer was we would have one point less than we do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Just a thought and forgive me if it's already been brought up but my Forest mate reckons we were mad to have gotten rid of him. Says we'd be in the auto prom places if he was in charge. Have to say, I'm wondering if he might be right. 53% win ratio at Saints, best of his career. Well when he left we were fighting relegation so I guess not as well as we currently are viz favourites with the bookies to go up automatically with Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Not worth thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 I agree with Deppo and would happily share a cumcumber sandwich with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Well when he left we were fighting relegation so I guess not as well as we currently are viz favourites with the bookies to go up automatically with Brighton. But the odds are lengthening. We were about 4/1 on,now it's only about 2/1 on or even 9/4 on.Another defeat will probably have us into the even money region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 To be honest everyone is missing the point. It doesn't matter who our current manager is or what our current squad is like - almost without fail at any given point in our history we seem to feck up and our bottle goes. It is a Southampton FC thing - not a manager thing I'm afraid. Just look at our history - the spell after the Second World War really sums up Southampton - and the number of messed up FA Cup semi-final appearances. Is it possible for a team to miss so many penalties and score so many own goals in semi-finals? Only Saints can do this and will continue to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 To be honest everyone is missing the point. It doesn't matter who our current manager is or what our current squad is like - almost without fail at any given point in our history we seem to feck up and our bottle goes. It is a Southampton FC thing - not a manager thing I'm afraid. Just look at our history - the spell after the Second World War really sums up Southampton - and the number of messed up FA Cup semi-final appearances. Is it possible for a team to miss so many penalties and score so many own goals in semi-finals? Only Saints can do this and will continue to do this. We didn't bottle it last season, the -10 and the poor start left us with an impossible task,needing 80+ points from 36 games. That we actually got 74 (and could have got 77 if we'd still been in the running) was a fantastic performance. Pardew was a good manager,he did well, that he had to go is as maybe but if he was still here we'd be in the top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 A win against Oldham would have seen us in the play-offs - instead it was 0-0. That was a pressure game. A win in some of crap away defeats would have done it too. A win against Swindon at home....there are loads of games when we really needed a win and didn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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