pressingon Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 I get very frustrated that when we are defending set pieces I notice we rarely leave players on the halfway line for the "out" ball. Watching Posh recently CMS only seems to come into his own half to stay onside. Surely if you leave a quickie up they will leave two back, if you put two up, both wide they leave 3 or 4 back. This gives us a chance to counter attack or at least retain possession when it’s hoofed/headed/punched out of our box. Also gives a greater numerical advantage to defending team. I appreciate it’s different if you are in injury time defending a one goal lead, or is it ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 Some Managers just like everyone back because a crowded penalty area means less room for the attacking team to move - that is why you see some teams try and line up the players attacking the ball behind one another so it makes the run harder to track (a bit like a basketball screen). It's a bit like the question 'why doesn't someone always come for a short corner even if we don't play it short?' - it drags one or two players out and frees up space in the box. Even better if the player coming short is no threat in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 I remember when Adkins first came in he was all about keeping lots of players up the field for counter attacks and would get quite irate when the players naturally went back towards the goal to defend. I reckon he then realised that defending corners is/was one of our weaknesses so he has more players defending them. Plus its that stage in the season where I guess we need to defend corners more heavily as so much at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 I remember watching a Chelsea game when Mourinho was manager. Think it might have been against Newcastle. All through the game Drogba and Robben would come back for corners, looking as if they were marking up players, filling the box with Chelsea players whilst just one of the oppositions full backs stayed back as there was no apparent threat. All of a sudden before the corner was taken, they'd bomb it up the pitch, gambling that Cech would claim and quickly distribute or Terry or Carvalho would win a booming header and start a quick counter attack. I noticed they seemed to do it every time the other team had a corner and eventually they scored the winner from doing it. I think it's quite clever if you have a couple of players able to make those kind of quick, lung-bursting runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 So much depens on if you have a dominant cross catching keeper, who will then bowl it out quickly! It does seem daft when Alex is in the team not to leave him up, as he wont win much in the air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 In the same way that leaving players up the pitch from corners so that they have to be marked by two of the opposition players, the other tactic that would reap rewards is to have players out wide on both wings when Kelvin is clearing the ball from a goal kick. We are getting better at it gradually, but so often, particularly under Pardew, you would observe that all of the players from both teams were concentrated into one half of the pitch, with nobody out wide at all. Obviously having a player out wide in all of the space necessitates him being marked, meaning that the midfield is thinned out, leaving space to reach our players more easily, allowing them to pass the ball better too. Plus it gives Kelvin more options too. It really is so simple and basic that I'm amazed that it isn't used every time by us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 I was discussing this once with Ivan Golac. He said that he liked to leave three players upfield when defending corners. That way, the opposition had to keep four players back to mark them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 In the same way that leaving players up the pitch from corners so that they have to be marked by two of the opposition players, the other tactic that would reap rewards is to have players out wide on both wings when Kelvin is clearing the ball from a goal kick. We are getting better at it gradually, but so often, particularly under Pardew, you would observe that all of the players from both teams were concentrated into one half of the pitch, with nobody out wide at all. Obviously having a player out wide in all of the space necessitates him being marked, meaning that the midfield is thinned out, leaving space to reach our players more easily, allowing them to pass the ball better too. Plus it gives Kelvin more options too. It really is so simple and basic that I'm amazed that it isn't used every time by us. Agree, and when we have an attacking corner how about someone making a run beyond the far post, because that is where the ball goes 50% of the time and no-one from either side is there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 Agree, and when we have an attacking corner how about someone making a run beyond the far post, because that is where the ball goes 50% of the time and no-one from either side is there! Seen that so many times this season. Mainly because we've overhit it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 So much depens on if you have a dominant cross catching keeper, who will then bowl it out quickly! It does seem daft when Alex is in the team not to leave him up, as he wont win much in the air! Which means he's also not very likely to win any quick clearance in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 Saw a Forrest game a couple of seasons ago and they kept five players up. Rasky strategy perhaps, but they were losing at the time and it caused all manor of problems for the attackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 Saw a Forrest game a couple of seasons ago and they kept five players up. Rasky strategy perhaps, but they were losing at the time and it caused all manor of problems for the attackers. I haven't been following the in jokes on here today and have never noticed you as one of the spelling criminals before, is this deliberate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 I haven't been following the in jokes on here today and have never noticed you as one of the spelling criminals before, is this deliberate ? after affects of a very, very big weekend in Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 More importantly do we use a zonal defensive system for corners or man to man... remember the debate about Scousres certainly & I think Chelski thank fook I only manage a team once a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 Agree, and when we have an attacking corner how about someone making a run beyond the far post, because that is where the ball goes 50% of the time and no-one from either side is there! It's pretty much where I always position myself for corners, right at the furthest edge away from the corner taker and I've profited on many occasions, either the corner is over-hit or a defender gets a glancing contact on it meaning the ball often comes to you... which is useful when (at 6ft and nominally a striker) you're not particularly strong in the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 More importantly do we use a zonal defensive system for corners or man to man... remember the debate about Scousres certainly & I think Chelski thank fook I only manage a team once a year Personally I've never really seen the benefits of zonal marking. Whenever I have managed teams I have always used man marking. But then the team I have managed used to turn up half cut so it probably wouldn't have mattered which system we used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 Personally I've never really seen the benefits of zonal marking. Whenever I have managed teams I have always used man marking. But then the team I have managed used to turn up half cut so it probably wouldn't have mattered which system we used. Think we all know what system Deppo would use You were lucky, your lot turned up half cut, should see the rabble at SMS on forum day (managers included)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 I was discussing this once with Ivan Golac. He said that he liked to leave three players upfield when defending corners. That way, the opposition had to keep four players back to mark them. Bit of bluff and counter-bluff, and who's nerve fails first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 (edited) Saw a Forrest game a couple of seasons ago and they kept five players up. Rasky strategy perhaps, but they were losing at the time and it caused all manor of problems for the attackers. I haven't been following the in jokes on here today and have never noticed you as one of the spelling criminals before, is this deliberate ? And your problem with the spelling of "attackers"? Edited 5 April, 2011 by Hamilton Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 Agree, and when we have an attacking corner how about someone making a run beyond the far post, because that is where the ball goes 50% of the time and no-one from either side is there! Yes, absolutely. Just in the last match against MKDs, corner taken by us from the right corner, ball flew over everybody and out of play beyond the left post for a goal kick. Total and utter waste of possession and a goal-scoring opportunity. Had somebody been there, they would have had a free header, or at least drawn out a defender to mark them. It seems to happen more than once every match, maybe not your 50%, but certainly often enough as to be really irritating. So to recap:- We should have at least one, if not two forwards upfield when an opposition corner or free kick is taken in our half Players out wide on both sides of the pitch when we have a goal kick or free kick in our half A man beyond the far post for corners. If we put these tactics into effect, IMO over the course of a season, we could score several extra goals as a result. Why don't we do it? Is it the fault of the coaches for not implementing it, or the players for not following instructions? Or are there good reasons not to do those things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 5 April, 2011 Share Posted 5 April, 2011 What a stupid post! When was a ball ever punched out of our box? (inserts smiley, but not on the iPhone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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