david in sweden Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 so I hope that NC looks very closely at the deal if we borrow someone BIG ! and if Todays BBC story about Jimmy Bullard is to be believed. Ipswich won't be buying / or continuing to loan Bullard (ex Fulham) from Hull. the four month loan (16 games) cost Ipswich about 20K week and so that short term loan put them back over 300K ! At a time when Hull were Prem. and spending big they bought Bullard from Fulham (at what price I ask myself?)... and seemingly gave him a contract worth 45K a week. Not big money by Prem. standards maybe but now that Hull have come down to our level it's beginning to hurt as the already 32 year old Bullard has two years left on his contract. At 45K week that's roughly £2.3 million a year + employer costs and for another two seasons. Hull will need the parachute , or whats left of it , because they are going to need almost ...£5 million until his contract runs out in 2013. Embarrasing enough, but a season in CCC won't give him much value on the transfer market either. Hull ought to cut their losses and "give him away" to anyone brave enough to continue paying him 45K a week - and hope he stays fit. I am sure Nicola Cortese (who must know the value of money if anyone does) doesn't fall foul of one of these disasterous deals, and I certainly hope that Bullard isn't on Nigel's shopping list !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I think you are underestimating the Don there Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 300K to have Bullard for 16 games doesn't strike me as extortionate tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Think I'd rather spend 300k on a (fully fit and in form) Bullard than someone like Nicolas Bignall or Danny N'Guessan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I think you are underestimating the Don there Dave. I didn't mean to suggest that NC wasn't savvy to such deals, but it sounds a large sum to pay for a player who isn't even their own. If we do go in for such loan deals, we really need to know how it will work. No CCC club can afford to pay those sort of levels, and there are some very highly paid contracts from one or two of the relegated teams. I recall than part of the Wayne Bridge deal was that Chelsea stood for the replacement high salary, and a similar sort of deal when we had Kevin Phillips, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 To answer your "at what price I ask myself" I can confirm Bullard cost Hull £5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I didn't mean to suggest that NC wasn't savvy to such deals, but it sounds a large sum to pay for a player who isn't even their own. If we do go in for such loan deals, we really need to know how it will work. No CCC club can afford to pay those sort of levels, and there are some very highly paid contracts from one or two of the relegated teams. I recall than part of the Wayne Bridge deal was that Chelsea stood for the replacement high salary, and a similar sort of deal when we had Kevin Phillips, I think. "Ownership" of players is rapidly becoming an outdated concept - with the financial regulations coming in, teams are going to be looking at more ways of getting players relatively cheaply and not getting stuck with rapidly diminishing contracts under Bosman, and if that means signing players for a short time without the overheads, then let the suckers like Chelsea hoover up the talent and then get them temporarily at a reduced rate, as they can only pick eleven players at once but they can pay for as many wages as they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I'm sure when we signed Henri Camara in 05 we paid more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Bullard is a steal compared to Jordan Henderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 You forget about the probable loan fee... These things don't come for free when they're decent. A loan is still cheaper than paying a big fee and wages for someone who could be injury hit and out of form.... Crowds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Think I'd rather spend 300k on a (fully fit and in form) Bullard than someone like Nicolas Bignall or Danny N'Guessan. I know its only a guess but i'm pretty sure they didn't cost us anything near 300k. Probably not even 30K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 "Ownership" of players is rapidly becoming an outdated concept - with the financial regulations coming in, teams are going to be looking at more ways of getting players relatively cheaply and not getting stuck with rapidly diminishing contracts under Bosman, and if that means signing players for a short time without the overheads, then let the suckers like Chelsea hoover up the talent and then get them temporarily at a reduced rate, as they can only pick eleven players at once but they can pay for as many wages as they want. Is that the kind of side people want to loyally support? A bunch of short term loans cobbled together... What does " being a fan of.." mean when it descends to that? However unlike the thread starter, I'm not entirely sure though that NC cares about loyalty to the club. Results and a paying customer base is I'm afraid where he's heading. And if and when the Prem arrives and it's £65-70 quid to get in he won't turn a hair if you don't like it as long as someone else is prepared to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Is that the kind of side people want to loyally support? A bunch of short term loans cobbled together... What does " being a fan of.." mean when it descends to that? However unlike the thread starter, I'm not entirely sure though that NC cares about loyalty to the club. Results and a paying customer base is I'm afraid where he's heading. And if and when the Prem arrives and it's £65-70 quid to get in he won't turn a hair if you don't like it as long as someone else is prepared to pay. I pretty much agree with you, I've mentioned a few times over the past couple of months that the bottom half of the Prem is now comprised of interchangeable foreigners in different coloured kits. Mind you I've also mentioned that the attendance prices should be lower in the Prem because the tv money more than covers costs compared to the Championshpi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Are you suggesting their loans cost anything like that amount, or that Bullard would have joined a league 1 club? I'm unsure what the moan is here. I suspect the implication is that he'd rather pay decent money for someone good who'll make a difference than fork out peanuts for someone who makes little impact. The issue of the player's availability is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Are you suggesting their loans cost anything like that amount, or that Bullard would have joined a league 1 club? I'm unsure what the moan is here. No, I am not. I am simply saying that Bullard would be a better loan signing despite his cost than the majority of loan signings we have had in previous seasons. I suspect the implication is that he'd rather pay decent money for someone good who'll make a difference than fork out peanuts for someone who makes little impact. The issue of the player's availability is moot. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I'm sure when we signed Henri Camara in 05 we paid more than that. yep, and boy was he great to watch. Get him back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 This financial gulf between the Championship and The Prem is a huge blight on football, fed mainly by fear. We all know that clubs at the top of fear not making the Champions League and the rest fear relegation. Ultimately the system just transfers the massive TV money into a few pockets, including players, managers and agents. There's nothing fans can do about it, but its obscene all the same. It will be very interesting to see if the UEFA fair play rules have the effect they hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2011 I'm sure when we signed Henri Camara in 05 we paid more than that. I'm sure we did but we were still a Prem.side at that time .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 21 June, 2011 Share Posted 21 June, 2011 Would love Bullard here. Top, top player. Shame he is so injury prone. Didnt he get into an England squad when at Fulham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Neil Posted 21 June, 2011 Share Posted 21 June, 2011 Yes but for your 300k you get this. [video=youtube;QC2Ady-WfMA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC2Ady-WfMA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 22 June, 2011 Share Posted 22 June, 2011 I know, check out the APRs!! http://www.quickquid.co.uk/fee-schedule.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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