chivvy1664 Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 what injury does he have/ How longs he going to be out for. when fit Would you pick him ahead of Lancashire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Mate i would pick Stephen Hawkins ahead of Lancashire. Its not his fault,hes just not ready for this league yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 WT was awesome in the B'ham cup game, captain and MOTM we can't afford to play him sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 I saw Wayne about a month ago at Staplewood he was on crutches and could not put any weight on his right foot, told me he would be out for a few months if not the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Is his injury his age in that he is too old to play in our innovative setup? Or is his appearance money too high for Lowe's wonderful approach to team selection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 I spoke to Wayne at the Brighton reserve game and he has a bad injury - he has had an opertaion to repair his achilles that ruptured I believe and had a few other micro fractures. He told me that he was expected to be out for about 7 months. Nothing to do with appearances and money this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Is his injury his age in that he is too old to play in our innovative setup? Or is his appearance money too high for Lowe's wonderful approach to team selection? Ah yes, in the non-Lowe world injuries don't happen and we wouldn't have sold Andrew Davis (who is also injured - remind me how many times he has played for Stoke since we sold him?). That was a great bit of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Ah yes, in the non-Lowe world injuries don't happen and we wouldn't have sold Andrew Davis (who is also injured - remind me how many times he has played for Stoke since we sold him?). That was a great bit of business. He came on for 2nd half in a reserve game in October, played the next reserve game in full and disappeared off the radar again, assume injured. We did well selling him it seems. Sad for him as he had potential but he seems highly injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 We have signed some injury prone rubbish over the years.FACT. We have sold some good players over the years.FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Wayne Thomas and Lee Holmes both successfully underwent minor operations this week. (OS today) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 We have signed some injury prone rubbish over the years.FACT. We have sold some good players over the years.FACT. We have also signed some good players over the years. FACT. We have also sold some injury prone rubbish over the years. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 I spoke to Wayne on Tuesday. He seemed upbeat about his chance and appeared to be walking fine. When asked about his recovery, his exactly words were, "hopefully in another couple of months". First choice centre half IMO. He was excellent for most games under Pearson, even if he did have a couple of off days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 We have also signed some good players over the years. FACT. We have also sold some injury prone rubbish over the years. FACT. We have signed some rubbish managers over the years who tend to sign crap and sell good players aided by a crap Chairmen!FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatvianTolix Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 I spoke to Wayne on Tuesday. He seemed upbeat about his chance and appeared to be walking fine. When asked about his recovery, his exactly words were, "hopefully in another couple of months". First choice centre half IMO. He was excellent for most games under Pearson, even if he did have a couple of off days. I thought he was limping that day. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Ah yes, in the non-Lowe world injuries don't happen and we wouldn't have sold Andrew Davis (who is also injured - remind me how many times he has played for Stoke since we sold him?). That was a great bit of business. Andrew Davis was another player who was injured when we bought him, and so was Thomas? They were reported an minor at the time, but we do seem to be "unlucky" with injuries on signing which seem to be the start of a long run of more frequent and more serious injuries. And just to prove we haven't lost the touch, we sign Gasmi, Pulis, Smith... Holmes had previously been out a long time and so had Wotton.. You expect to suffer this from time to time, but we seem to specialise in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 I thought he was limping that day. :-) Was he? I only saw him take a few steps when he walked up behind us. Oh well. No crutches, so I guess that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Ah yes, in the non-Lowe world injuries don't happen and we wouldn't have sold Andrew Davis (who is also injured - remind me how many times he has played for Stoke since we sold him?). That was a great bit of business. But according to your mates, the Lowey luvvies set, we pay Davies and Stoke pay Pulis. That is, until both are fit or has the LoWi agency moved the goal posts or do you change the story around to support your agenda in that office. Lowey love in make, your mind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 our desire to get Thomas back in the side shows how far we have fallen. For me he is a very very average centre back, not that quick, not that great in the, a poor decision maker and not that great positionally. All in all a very poor signing for £1.2m but I'd still play him ahead of Lancashire as he at least offers some physical strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 But according to your mates, the Lowey luvvies set, we pay Davies and Stoke pay Pulis. That is, until both are fit or has the LoWi agency moved the goal posts or do you change the story around to support your agenda in that office. Lowey love in make, your mind up. Ouch, where did that sad obsessive rant come from? I can't find one post on here that suggests we are still paying Davies but I am happy for you to point it out to me. We took Pulis on because we got a better deal (bigger transfer fee on Davies) from Stoke because we took Pulis off their books. Even discounting Pulis' wages this still made sense. I forget though, in your Lowe obsessed world no one ever wants to leave and players play for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 we took pulis on because we got a better deal (bigger transfer fee on davies) from stoke because we took pulis off their books. Even discounting pulis' wages this still made sense. Interesting statement , do you have any evidence to back it up ? As we only received £1.2m (as reported) for Andrew Davies SCFC clearly didn't inflate the transfer fee very much did they . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 WT was awesome in the B'ham cup game, captain and MOTM we can't afford to play him sadly yes, very expensive playing men with crutches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 our desire to get Thomas back in the side shows how far we have fallen. For me he is a very very average centre back, not that quick, not that great in the, a poor decision maker and not that great positionally. All in all a very poor signing for £1.2m but I'd still play him ahead of Lancashire as he at least offers some physical strength. I think Thomas, like Skacel and Davis, wasn't worth what we paid for him. But, like those two, that doesn't mean he isn't a decent enough player in this league. I'd say he was good enough physically to do the job Killer once did in the Prem. Not as good, but with a player like Perry sweeping up next to him HCDAJFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Interesting statement , do you have any evidence to back it up ? As we only received £1.2m (as reported) for Andrew Davies SCFC clearly didn't inflate the transfer fee very much did they . Only hearsay from a Stoke supporting mate. Probably no truth in it but he has no Lowe axe to grind in either direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 I think Thomas, like Skacel and Davis, wasn't worth what we paid for him. But, like those two, that doesn't mean he isn't a decent enough player in this league. I'd say he was good enough physically to do the job Killer once did in the Prem. Not as good, but with a player like Perry sweeping up next to him HCDAJFU. It is hard to put to one side the inflated transfer fee, not to mention the huge wages a million pound tranfer always brings. But even if I could I would still have my doubts about him. So many goals last season were as a result of mistakes by Thomas. The more I saw of him the worse he got. At Sheffield United he looked qualithym one stuf fin the air, kept BT relatively quiet and by the end strutted around like he owned Yorshire never mind Brammal Lane. But that quickly dissapeared and after a few months he looked out of his depth making errors right left and centre. He did well at right back and I'd have no problem him playing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 WT was rubbish last season, very prone to making errors. However, he really impressed me when I saw him play against Basingstoke in pre-season. He kept the defence together and supported the younger players in the side (Jeffrey Imudia especially) who lacked confidence but grew in confidence and got better as the game went on mainly thanks to his praise and control. I'd play him alongside Pearce (or Perry if Pearce leaves permanently in January) when he's fit, because I don't think Killer will ever get back to the level of fitness where he could play week in, week out. As much as i'd like to see him back at the center of our defence, I just think that his time is up. Good news is though, that Wayne could be the man to step into his shoes. He's certainly experienced enough to be captain and he'd be first choice center back for me any day. Him alongside Pearce would work especially well imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 I'm not a massive fan of Thomas but we could definitely do with him at the minute. I also think someone like Lancashire would benefit from playing alongside a more commanding and physical CB. If our defensive problems fail to improve, then the sooner WT is back, the better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 It is hard to put to one side the inflated transfer fee, not to mention the huge wages a million pound tranfer always brings. But even if I could I would still have my doubts about him. So many goals last season were as a result of mistakes by Thomas. The more I saw of him the worse he got. At Sheffield United he looked qualithym one stuf fin the air, kept BT relatively quiet and by the end strutted around like he owned Yorshire never mind Brammal Lane. But that quickly dissapeared and after a few months he looked out of his depth making errors right left and centre. He did well at right back and I'd have no problem him playing there. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that. By that logic, you would have no expectations what-so-ever of players from the accademy or free transfers. Players like Rasiak, Skacel, John, Davis and Thomas have all proven themselves succesful to various extents and thus were offered lucrative contracts. You can't blame the players for accepting them. I also think part of the problem with Thomas last season was that he had 3 different guys along side him every match (not to mention 2 different 'keepers over the season). Last year I think we played around 18-20 different players in defence. Thomas was always going to play better along side some than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Ouch, where did that sad obsessive rant come from? I can't find one post on here that suggests we are still paying Davies but I am happy for you to point it out to me. We took Pulis on because we got a better deal (bigger transfer fee on Davies) from Stoke because we took Pulis off their books. Even discounting Pulis' wages this still made sense. I forget though, in your Lowe obsessed world no one ever wants to leave and players play for free. As a Lowe luvvie ,I accept you have no clue what you are talking about. You are Directed with your little group and it comes across so clearly on theirs and your posts..Team work on behalf of your paymaster...Your not a Saints fan. Very much my strong opinion on you and your obsession for Lowey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 Decent player. If fit and we fielded 2 out of Killer, Perry and him, we'd be fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that. By that logic, you would have no expectations what-so-ever of players from the accademy or free transfers. Players like Rasiak, Skacel, John, Davis and Thomas have all proven themselves succesful to various extents and thus were offered lucrative contracts. You can't blame the players for accepting them. I also think part of the problem with Thomas last season was that he had 3 different guys along side him every match (not to mention 2 different 'keepers over the season). Last year I think we played around 18-20 different players in defence. Thomas was always going to play better along side some than others. I'm certainly more forgiving of academy players, and rightly so. Players like MLT, BT and now Surman all took time to find their feet. I don't ever blame players for taking big wages. I blamed scouts and managers for signing **** players. There is not a Burnley fan in the country that didn't think we had massively overpaid. GB and scouts must take the blame. I hope you are right about the number of partners effecting Thomas' game, boy do we need to improve at the back, but he must shoulder some of the blame for our defensie frailties last season. As soon as we signeed Davis (decent CB IMO) we looked much much better showing how poor Thomas was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StubbSaint Posted 22 November, 2008 Share Posted 22 November, 2008 what injury does he have/ How longs he going to be out for. when fit Would you pick him ahead of Lancashire? i would pick my dustbin before lancashire hes crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 22 November, 2008 Share Posted 22 November, 2008 I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that. By that logic, you would have no expectations what-so-ever of players from the accademy or free transfers. Players like Rasiak, Skacel, John, Davis and Thomas have all proven themselves succesful to various extents and thus were offered lucrative contracts. You can't blame the players for accepting them. I also think part of the problem with Thomas last season was that he had 3 different guys along side him every match (not to mention 2 different 'keepers over the season). Last year I think we played around 18-20 different players in defence. Thomas was always going to play better along side some than others. Can you remind me in which games Thomas was even half decent? Davies came in and he showed he was twice as good as Thomas for the same sort of money. If we're pinning our hopes on Thomas getting fit then we're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 November, 2008 Share Posted 22 November, 2008 Can you remind me in which games Thomas was even half decent? Davies came in and he showed he was twice as good as Thomas for the same sort of money. If we're pinning our hopes on Thomas getting fit then we're screwed. TBH, i don`t think we have many hopes left to pin on anything. All we can do is clutch at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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