St Mary's Stadium...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

With all the talk about administration, where all this debt is coming from etc, I've been thinking. Is there no way that St Mary's can be bought by Southampton City council and then leased back to the club like Leeds United did. We could then pay most of the mortgage off, leaving us with lower payments. This action would also probably show the bank the extreme lengths we're prepared to go to, and buy us more leeway.

 

Just wondering that's all. Any decent reasons why not?

[bridge too far]

With all the talk about administration, where all this debt is coming from etc, I've been thinking. Is there no way that St Mary's can be bought by Southampton City council and then leased back to the club like Leeds United did. We could then pay most of the mortgage off, leaving us with lower payments. This action would also probably show the bank the extreme lengths we're prepared to go to, and buy us more leeway.

 

Just wondering that's all. Any decent reasons why not?

 

Because Southampton City Council is run by the Conservatives.

 

Say no more........

[Ponty]

Brilliant BTF, just brilliant.

[Give it to Ron]

The council have spent all the money erecting traffic lights on Millbrook roundabout.....if you think I am joking go and count them.

It used to be one of the easiest roads in and out of the city now its stop...stop...stop..

 

The council is as skint as everyone else and the anti-football lobby in the city would not be too chuffed seein their council tax spent this way when we need an ice rink so badly ;-)

[trousers]

With all the talk about administration, where all this debt is coming from etc, I've been thinking. Is there no way that St Mary's can be bought by Southampton City council and then leased back to the club like Leeds United did. We could then pay most of the mortgage off, leaving us with lower payments. This action would also probably show the bank the extreme lengths we're prepared to go to, and buy us more leeway.

 

Just wondering that's all. Any decent reasons why not?

 

What would the increase in Council Tax be per head to cover the purchase?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

The council have spent all the money erecting traffic lights on Millbrook roundabout.....if you think I am joking go and count them.

It used to be one of the easiest roads in and out of the city now its stop...stop...stop..

 

The council is as skint as everyone else and the anti-football lobby in the city would not be too chuffed seein their council tax spent this way when we need an ice rink so badly ;-)

 

I think the issue is that it is quite low risk for them. where the council could take out a loan to buy it, Southampton can't do that currently as we're not a company in a position for that.

[bridge too far]

Brilliant BTF, just brilliant.

 

Why thankyou sweetie :smt050

[trousers]

Because Southampton City Council is run by the Conservatives.

 

Say no more........

 

"Say no more"....as in it's a good job the council is run by the Tories as they are not prone to wasting tax payers money on such white elephants as SMS.

 

And to think people have somehow got it into their heads that the Tories are rubbish at this Government malarkey. Cheers for highlighting how good a job they are doing BTF. Mr Cameron would be proud.

 

 

[Graffito]

With all the talk about administration, where all this debt is coming from etc, I've been thinking. Is there no way that St Mary's can be bought by Southampton City council and then leased back to the club like Leeds United did. We could then pay most of the mortgage off, leaving us with lower payments. This action would also probably show the bank the extreme lengths we're prepared to go to, and buy us more leeway.

 

Just wondering that's all. Any decent reasons why not?

 

There aren't enough votes in it.

[krissyboy31]

What would the increase in Council Tax be per head to cover the purchase?

 

I am not aware of SCC ever putting public money into building anything (apart from feasibility study after feasibility study). That's why whenever any project is muted it is either scaled down, postponed or abandoned all together and all the city has got is a shopping centre. Fnck knows what they do with the Council Tax and Bridge Tolls.

Edited 4 December, 2008 by krissyboy31

[stanthemanfairoak]

"Say no more"....as in it's a good job the council is run by the Tories as they are not prone to wasting tax payers money on such white elephants as SMS.

 

And to think people have somehow got it into their heads that the Tories are rubbish at this Government malarkey. Cheers for highlighting how good a job they are doing BTF. Mr Cameron would be proud.

dead right about tories

[scott_saints]

Fnck knows what they do with the Council Tax and Bridge Tolls.

Build flats.

 

And put up traffic lights.

[bridge too far]

I am not aware of SCC ever putting public money into building anything (apart from feasibility study after feasibility study). That's why whenever any project is muted it is either scaled down, postponed or abandoned all together and all the city has got is a shopping centre. Fnck knows what they do with the Council Tax and Bridge Tolls.

 

Don't you have schools in Southampton? Or services for the elderly? Do you all have to take your rubbish to the tip, or Portsmouth, since no-one collects it? Haven't you got any police or fire services?

 

Next time your local council sends you information on where council tax is spent, I suggest you read it. You might just learn something.

 

But we should get back to the topic.....

Edited 4 December, 2008 by bridge too far
this thread is going off at a tangent

[Scummer]

Do you all have to take your rubbish to the tip, or Portsmouth

 

Not sure if that was a joke, but i think most of Southampton's rubbish does end up in Portsmouth, at the incinerator.

[bridge too far]

Not sure if that was a joke, but i think most of Southampton's rubbish does end up in Portsmouth, at the incinerator.

 

I honestly didn't know that!

[Frank's cousin]

As a stadium, its not worth the investment - might raise 2-3mil and then what - council come along in 5 years and kick us out as they want housing? Bad idea....

[St Paul]

We are a PLC.

 

When we were in the Premiership the shareholders/owners of the Club benefitted from share dividends, wages and the like. However when they mismange the Club, are you saying the Tax Payers should bail them out?

 

In 1997 the choice was made to become a PLC, we made our bed and we're now laying in it...........

[Graffito]

We are a PLC.

 

When we were in the Premiership the shareholders/owners of the Club benefitted from share dividends, wages and the like. However when they mismange the Club, are you saying the Tax Payers should bail them out?

 

In 1997 the choice was made to become a PLC, we made our bed and we're now laying in it...........

 

But this is precisely what's happened with the banks. Privatise the profits, socialise the losses. It grates somewhat to see all the pictures of local politicians in the official SMS commemorative book I have celebrating the then new stadium. Fair weather supporters perhaps. SFC is far more important to me than a bank but there are just not enough votes in it locally.

[St Paul]

Problem with the banks was if they failed then all whole of the economy would fail.If a major bank went bust, confidence would crash, causing major problems never seen before. The Govt had no option.

 

Southampton Leisure, if it ceased to exist would be sad and devestate 15,000-20,000 people, however the wider economy would survive, and most of the population wouldn't give a toss.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Don't you have schools in Southampton? Or services for the elderly? Do you all have to take your rubbish to the tip, or Portsmouth, since no-one collects it? Haven't you got any police or fire services?

 

Next time your local council sends you information on where council tax is spent, I suggest you read it. You might just learn something.

 

But we should get back to the topic.....

 

Forget all that stuff, we want the Council to borrow £30m to buy a stadium.

After all it is the public sector's job to bail out the private sector when the private sector screws it all up.

[Gordon Mockles]

Because Southampton City Council is run by the Conservatives.

 

Say no more........

 

YAY! A SCC bashing thread (well, not but easily could be) . . . I’m in!! hehe

 

Some councillor must have a large share holding in traffic light companies as the abundance of traffic lights (even on round abouts) in our city is ridiculous! Traffic light heaven, congestion, stupid traffic claming schemes that don’t work, building an Ikea in the biggest traffic bottle neck/traffic light zone in the city, charging for parking 24/7, wasting money on ridiculous schemes to rival Spinnaker tower…like lasers firing out of the civic centre clock tower (WTF?!)), Taxi ranks away from the main roads/pick up spots and in quieter residential roads, the most brain-dead planning department in Britain…I do wonder where the hell they find these people. Absolute morons! I’d better stop before I get into my stride! When it comes to building, don't even mention the word "tory" *splutters*

[Give it to Ron]

YAY! A SCC bashing thread (well, not but easily could be) . . . I’m in!! hehe

 

Some councillor must have a large share holding in traffic light companies as the abundance of traffic lights (even on round abouts) in our city is ridiculous! Traffic light heaven, congestion, stupid traffic claming schemes that don’t work, building an Ikea in the biggest traffic bottle neck/traffic light zone in the city, charging for parking 24/7, wasting money on ridiculous schemes to rival Spinnaker tower…like lasers firing out of the civic centre clock tower (WTF?!)), Taxi ranks away from the main roads/pick up spots and in quieter residential roads, the most brain-dead planning department in Britain…I do wonder where the hell they find these people. Absolute morons! I’d better stop before I get into my stride! When it comes to building, don't even mention the word "tory" *splutters*

 

I know I shouldn't get away from this topic but I have just returned from NY and a visit to South St Seaport and it really annoyed me as to how we have 'lost' Ocean Village to the greed of building flats.

We had a fantastic opportunity to make our own Seaport but have lost out to Portsmouth again who recognised the niche in the market and built Gunwharf which is nearly always packed.

SCC is and have always been bloody useless when it comes to the needs of its citizens - although the exception was when Stoneham went belly up!

[Scudamore]

Don't you have schools in Southampton? Or services for the elderly? Do you all have to take your rubbish to the tip, or Portsmouth, since no-one collects it? Haven't you got any police or fire services?

 

Next time your local council sends you information on where council tax is spent, I suggest you read it. You might just learn something.

 

But we should get back to the topic.....

 

Last time i did that i discovered that around 20% of mine goes towards the BIC...

 

This irritated me...i won't be caught up in that trap again...

[bridge too far]

Last time i did that i discovered that around 20% of mine goes towards the BIC...

 

This irritated me...i won't be caught up in that trap again...

 

Showing my ignorance here - what is BIC?

[Scummer]

Showing my ignorance here - what is BIC?

 

Bournemouth International Centre.

[Chez]

what difference does it make whether we pay the mortgage off to the bank or the rent to the council. Actually just like with housing it is better to pay a mortgage off as you get a house at the end that is yours to sell (or in our case live in rent free) than to pay rent that goes on forever and at whatever price the landlord sees fit.

[bridge too far]

Bournemouth International Centre.

 

Oh OK thanks. I don't live in the area any more - that's my excuse.

 

I could understand a bit of your council tax going to BIC if Bournemouth was still in Hampshire (because part of your council tax goes to the County council). But, as it's now in Dorset, I don't understand that at all :confused:

[Scummer]

Oh OK thanks. I don't live in the area any more - that's my excuse.

 

I could understand a bit of your council tax going to BIC if Bournemouth was still in Hampshire (because part of your council tax goes to the County council). But, as it's now in Dorset, I don't understand that at all :confused:

 

It wasn't me, it was Scudamore. He lives in Bournemouth.

[bridge too far]

It wasn't me, it was Scudamore. He lives in Bournemouth.

 

 

I fell for it! Barsteward!

[trousers]

Completely hypothetical question alert....

 

If the stadium was to accidently burn down, would that ironically help us out of our financial hole (directly or indirectly)?

 

In other words, we'd have to involuntarily start ground sharing with someone else (which would get around the league rules about voluntarily becoming homeless) and rather than build a like-for-like replacement stadium build a smaller one with lower build and running costs, sell off some of the land in the process and pocket the difference.....

 

As I say, just a hypothetical question....obviously...

[Pancake]

Completely hypothetical question alert....

 

If the stadium was to accidently burn down, would that ironically help us out of our financial hole (directly or indirectly)?

 

In other words, we'd have to involuntarily start ground sharing with someone else (which would get around the league rules about voluntarily becoming homeless) and rather than build a like-for-like replacement stadium build a smaller one with lower build and running costs, sell off some of the land in the process and pocket the difference.....

 

As I say, just a hypothetical question....obviously...

 

LOL... look out for Trouser on the new tonight after being caught with gunpowder kegs, tapers and other "plotters"...

[Scummer]

Completely hypothetical question alert....

 

If the stadium was to accidently burn down, would that ironically help us out of our financial hole (directly or indirectly)?

 

In other words, we'd have to involuntarily start ground sharing with someone else (which would get around the league rules about voluntarily becoming homeless) and rather than build a like-for-like replacement stadium build a smaller one with lower build and running costs, sell off some of the land in the process and pocket the difference.....

 

As I say, just a hypothetical question....obviously...

 

Does concrete burn?

[Pip87]

Does concrete burn?

 

Sounds like a question for the 118 team! :cool:

[paris]

Yes and my mother and mant others can now cross the road with out the fear of getting ran over so well done to the council...

 

The council have spent all the money erecting traffic lights on Millbrook roundabout.....if you think I am joking go and count them.

It used to be one of the easiest roads in and out of the city now its stop...stop...stop..

 

The council is as skint as everyone else and the anti-football lobby in the city would not be too chuffed seein their council tax spent this way when we need an ice rink so badly ;-)

[trousers]

Does concrete burn?

 

Concrete is a very complicated mixture of different metal oxides,

hydroxides, and silicates (many of which form extensive,

interpenetrating networks), mixed with a filler material such as

gravel or rock. It does not maintain its chemical identity when

heated. If concrete is heated to a high enough temperature, the

hydroxides decompose to form oxides and water; the water is quickly

lost as the vapor. The remaining metal oxides are quite refractory;

they remain solid at very high temperatures. The rock components of

concrete will decompose or melt at differing temperatures depending

on their mineral composition.

 

So the short answer to your question is that concrete will decompose

rather then melt when heated, and the clinker that remains after it

cools back down will unmistakably not be concrete.

[Oz]

Concrete is a very complicated mixture of different metal oxides,

hydroxides, and silicates (many of which form extensive,

interpenetrating networks), mixed with a filler material such as

gravel or rock. It does not maintain its chemical identity when

heated. If concrete is heated to a high enough temperature, the

hydroxides decompose to form oxides and water; the water is quickly

lost as the vapor. The remaining metal oxides are quite refractory;

they remain solid at very high temperatures. The rock components of

concrete will decompose or melt at differing temperatures depending

on their mineral composition.

 

So the short answer to your question is that concrete will decompose

rather then melt when heated, and the clinker that remains after it

cools back down will unmistakably not be concrete.

 

what's your real name, Arson Wells?

[trousers]

what's your real name, Arson Wells?

 

Close. It's Tom Osser

[1976_Child]

Concrete is a very complicated mixture of different metal oxides,

hydroxides, and silicates (many of which form extensive,

interpenetrating networks), mixed with a filler material such as

gravel or rock. It does not maintain its chemical identity when

heated. If concrete is heated to a high enough temperature, the

hydroxides decompose to form oxides and water; the water is quickly

lost as the vapor. The remaining metal oxides are quite refractory;

they remain solid at very high temperatures. The rock components of

concrete will decompose or melt at differing temperatures depending

on their mineral composition.

 

So the short answer to your question is that concrete will decompose

rather then melt when heated, and the clinker that remains after it

cools back down will unmistakably not be concrete.

 

geek alert

[trousers]

greek alert

 

[INFLUENCED.COM]

The council have spent all the money erecting traffic lights on Millbrook roundabout.....if you think I am joking go and count them.

 

I believe Ikea contributed toward/paid for the 'traffic management system' at Millbrook as part of the deal for planning, as West Quay did the same for the crossings at the Redbridge roundabout(at the time)

I'm all for Councils doing deals with developers et al for improvements in other areas of the city, if SFC/SLH have first shout on land around the stadium why not get into bed with developers and the council and see what can be done with all profits reducing stadium debt, sounds easy but just an idea(current climate not helpful)

[1976_Child]

I believe Ikea contributed toward/paid for the 'traffic management system' at Millbrook as part of the deal for planning, as West Quay did the same for the crossings at the Redbridge roundabout(at the time)

I'm all for Councils doing deals with developers et al for improvements in other areas of the city, if SFC/SLH have first shout on land around the stadium why not get into bed with developers and the council and see what can be done with all profits reducing stadium debt, sounds easy but just an idea(current climate not helpful)

 

in my limited understanding of property law I would imagine that although the club (plc) might have an option on the land, the only way they could gain financialy would be to sell that option, but then there they might be barred from selling the option. Would certainly be a good way to pay down some debt BUT only if it still means that the club could expand the stadium when/if we need to. I would have thought that a big plus point as far as any potential investor is concerned is that the stadium could be expanded. After all, in three years time we could (yeah, I know!) be champions of Europe and as such will need a bigger stadium!