What is it with the blame game?

[washsaint]

My god, this place is like the Marie Celeste these days and no wonder! Posters like Navyred being forced out by the continual bitterness and shrewing of the crowd.

 

Whenever we don't win a game, posters always have to find a scapegoat...be it McGoldrick, Lallana, Patterson, whomever - and most of those throwing the stones have not even been there to see the game!

 

Why all the constant threads about Lowe? He's kept a low profile and it's about the team - our hands are tied by the Banks and we should be giving all our support to the young lads who are trying to move us forward.

 

Yes, it's frustrating when we throw away 3 points like on Saturday but it's all part of the learning curve.....for those that preferred to watch last seasons overpaid, useless good for nothings......I am surprised.

 

For goodness sake, get behind the team and manager instead of constantly slagging them off - for the first time in years we have a group of players who WANT to play for Saints rather than the money.

[Wes Tender]

My god, this place is like the Marie Celeste these days and no wonder! Posters like Navyred being forced out by the continual bitterness and shrewing of the crowd.

 

Whenever we don't win a game, posters always have to find a scapegoat...be it McGoldrick, Lallana, Patterson, whomever - and most of those throwing the stones have not even been there to see the game!

 

Why all the constant threads about Lowe? He's kept a low profile and it's about the team - our hands are tied by the Banks and we should be giving all our support to the young lads who are trying to move us forward.

 

Yes, it's frustrating when we throw away 3 points like on Saturday but it's all part of the learning curve.....for those that preferred to watch last seasons overpaid, useless good for nothings......I am surprised.

 

For goodness sake, get behind the team and manager instead of constantly slagging them off - for the first time in years we have a group of players who WANT to play for Saints rather than the money.

 

The usual contradiction.

 

You ask why there were the constant threads about Lowe then urge us all to get behind the team and the manager as if the policies of Lowe had no bearing on the criticism of the results obtained by this rookie manager and the young team.

 

If you can't see that the appointment of the manager who is out of his depth and the replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters is the root of our problems and then make the connection with the person responsible for that, then I can understand why you are surprised that there are so many threads about Lowe.

 

What is frustrating is attending all of the home games for nearly half a season and constantly coming away from matches feeling good about just one win. Whose fault is that? Lowe's? The manager's? The players'? Ours'?

 

Or is it nobody's fault? Just that we were unlucky?

[solentstars]

My god, this place is like the Marie Celeste these days and no wonder! Posters like Navyred being forced out by the continual bitterness and shrewing of the crowd.

 

Whenever we don't win a game, posters always have to find a scapegoat...be it McGoldrick, Lallana, Patterson, whomever - and most of those throwing the stones have not even been there to see the game!

 

Why all the constant threads about Lowe? He's kept a low profile and it's about the team - our hands are tied by the Banks and we should be giving all our support to the young lads who are trying to move us forward.

 

Yes, it's frustrating when we throw away 3 points like on Saturday but it's all part of the learning curve.....for those that preferred to watch last seasons overpaid, useless good for nothings......I am surprised.

 

For goodness sake, get behind the team and manager instead of constantly slagging them off - for the first time in years we have a group of players who WANT to play for Saints rather than the money.

 

good honest post and i expect the majority agree with you.

[alpine_saint]

The usual contradiction.

 

You ask why there were the constant threads about Lowe then urge us all to get behind the team and the manager as if the policies of Lowe had no bearing on the criticism of the results obtained by this rookie manager and the young team.

 

If you can't see that the appointment of the manager who is out of his depth and the replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters is the root of our problems and then make the connection with the person responsible for that, then I can understand why you are surprised that there are so many threads about Lowe.

 

What is frustrating is attending all of the home games for nearly half a season and constantly coming away from matches feeling good about just one win. Whose fault is that? Lowe's? The manager's? The players'? Ours'?

 

Or is it nobody's fault? Just that we were unlucky?

 

good honest post and I expect the majority agree with you.

[ottery st mary]

good honest post and i expect the majority agree with you.

 

Oh! Wishie Washie Behind you those ruffians who do not like us Lowey Luvvie Pixies are picking on us again.

 

 

The Pantomine season has been here all season with The Pantomine Dame in charge...You ugly sisters must be looking for parts...spare parts in the orchestra..blowing your own trumpets...

Only joking solentstars and washsaint..you little pixies..you.

[Mole]

The usual contradiction.

 

You ask why there were the constant threads about Lowe then urge us all to get behind the team and the manager as if the policies of Lowe had no bearing on the criticism of the results obtained by this rookie manager and the young team.

 

If you can't see that the appointment of the manager who is out of his depth and the replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters is the root of our problems and then make the connection with the person responsible for that, then I can understand why you are surprised that there are so many threads about Lowe.

 

What is frustrating is attending all of the home games for nearly half a season and constantly coming away from matches feeling good about just one win. Whose fault is that? Lowe's? The manager's? The players'? Ours'?

 

Or is it nobody's fault? Just that we were unlucky?

 

I couldn't agree more.

[mprobert]

Good post. I didnt know Navyred was forced out - he/she was one of the few posters worth reading

[slickmick]

The usual contradiction.

 

You ask why there were the constant threads about Lowe then urge us all to get behind the team and the manager as if the policies of Lowe had no bearing on the criticism of the results obtained by this rookie manager and the young team.

 

If you can't see that the appointment of the manager who is out of his depth and the replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters is the root of our problems and then make the connection with the person responsible for that, then I can understand why you are surprised that there are so many threads about Lowe.

 

What is frustrating is attending all of the home games for nearly half a season and constantly coming away from matches feeling good about just one win. Whose fault is that? Lowe's? The manager's? The players'? Ours'?

 

Or is it nobody's fault? Just that we were unlucky?

 

 

What a load of codswallop.

Perhaps we should have got an experienced manager and kept the experienced palyers and to hell with how much it cost eh ?

 

ps. I forgot, we tried that last season didn't we. Great success that was.

Edited 8 December, 2008 by slickmick

[Snowballs2]

Hmm someone is responsible for the very poor home results so far this season. So who is it? if we can win away there is no reason we can't win at home!

[Whitey Grandad]

Yes, it's frustrating when we throw away 3 points like on Saturday but it's all part of the learning curve.....for those that preferred to watch last seasons overpaid, useless good for nothings......I am surprised.

.....as opposed to this season's underpaid, useless good for nothings?

[VectisSaint]

My god, this place is like the Marie Celeste these days and no wonder! Posters like Navyred being forced out by the continual bitterness and shrewing of the crowd.

 

Why all the constant threads about Lowe? He's kept a low profile and it's about the team - our hands are tied by the Banks and we should be giving all our support to the young lads who are trying to move us forward.

Maybe the threads about Lowe are something to do with the 3 part interview on the OS, together with the radio stuff the other night, the reports on Sky and the remarks he made in the financial statement the other day. Oh and the fact that the AGM is in 2 weeks time. Keeping a low profile, my arse. Although to be fair to the bloke he is at least talking less nonsense than he usually does (though thats not too difficult).

 

I see you also trot out the nonsense that our hands are tied by the banks and so there is nothing we can do. Of course things are tight, that doesn't mean we have to employ a manager who is out of his depth, there are other good English managers out there who could be doing at least as good a job with the same resources as JP. I don't know of anyone not supporting the young lads, is anyone getting booed? Don't think so. The only one underperforming is McG, and thats only because he is not suited to the style JP tries to play at home. He will be a very good player in years to come, no doubt.

 

By the way, who was NavyRed? Don't recall him on this Board, can't have been much of a contributor.

[Wes Tender]

What a load of codswallop.

Perhaps we should have got an experienced manager and kept the experienced palyers and to hell with how much it cost eh ?

 

ps. I forgot, we tried that last season didn't we. Great success that was.

 

 

You just don't have the imagination to realise that there are other alternatives to the situation that was brought about by Lowe, do you?

 

Everything doesn't have to be black or white; there are shades of grey too. There are experienced managers out there no more costly than JP, just as there are players out there more experienced than the youngsters and who wouldn't cost a fortune either.

 

The shade of grey that might well have produced better results is having a blend of experience and youth. Kindly give it some consideration before you try and rationalise incorrectly what I was saying.

[St_Guido]

good honest post and i expect the majority agree with you.

 

Agree, but we're the "silent" majority, so don't count to many on here........

[RinNY]

The usual contradiction.

 

You ask why there were the constant threads about Lowe then urge us all to get behind the team and the manager as if the policies of Lowe had no bearing on the criticism of the results obtained by this rookie manager and the young team.

 

If you can't see that the appointment of the manager who is out of his depth and the replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters is the root of our problems and then make the connection with the person responsible for that, then I can understand why you are surprised that there are so many threads about Lowe.

 

What is frustrating is attending all of the home games for nearly half a season and constantly coming away from matches feeling good about just one win. Whose fault is that? Lowe's? The manager's? The players'? Ours'?

 

Or is it nobody's fault? Just that we were unlucky?

 

 

Appointment of a manager who is out of his depth? Replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters? These are the roots of our current "problems"? you illustrate exactly why you rabid Lowe-blamers cannot be taken seriously. What utterly absurd statements!

 

The roots of our problems are finances. The club's expenses continue to reflect a Premiership infrastructure, and some very unwise and unsuccessful spending on player purchases/contracts over the past couple of seasons. The club's revenue streams refllect a team struggling in the bottom half of the CCC. Ergo: severe cost-cutting measures needed to keep the club fiscally viable, with all the consequences that flow therefrom.

 

As to the manager and players: they are doing no worse than our managers and team last year, when we had managers with plenty of experience of the British game and who presumably "knew what they were doing", in Burley and Pearson, and lots of highly experienced players. Do you forget that with those managers and players we barely avoided relegation, by the skin of our teeth, on the last day of the season? Do you forget that under Pearson we lost far more games than we won? Do you forget that those experienced players underperformed horrendously for us, both under Burley and under Pearson? Evidently you do.

 

Poortvliet was appointed by Lowe: therefore, he must be no good. The academy was set up by Lowe, and the youth policy is his policy: therefore, the young players cannot be any good. That is clearly your "thinking" ... if one can dignify the process occurring in your brain with the term "thought".

 

The plain truth is that the club is currently doing what had to be done, regardless of who is in charge; and the manager and team are doing as well as could be expected under the circumstances, perhaps even a little better than could be expected. You will neither see nor admit this of course: you'd have to be able to take off your anti-Lowe blinkers to be able to see that. All those of us who simply aren't fussed about Lowe one way or the other are clearly just "Lowe-luvvies" or "Lowe stooges" who refuse to admit the "truth". And you cannot see how laughable such a position is.

 

Here's another piece of plain truth for you: every year three clubs get relegated from the Prem, and in each case the blame for relegation lies with various persons from the chairman down through the manager to the team (above all), and ultimately the system that dictates that each year three clubs must go down. Our relegation, therefore, was only in part Lowe's fault, and a relatively small part at that. Since relegation, there have been years for new persons to come in with new investment to "rescue" the club from Lowe. The rich Saints fans and billionaire outsiders have had every opportunity to buy Lowe out, if they wanted to. Lowe has actually been removed from power for several years, and replaced by "real fans" and "real football people". Results: no difference, except greater financial imprudence in running the club, and no new investment whatsoever. So get used to one thing: Lowe will be running the club for some time, like it or not. Because no-one else capable of doing a better job, and willing to do what it takes to buy Lowe out, is actually out there. No-one. So if you insist on spending your time hating Lowe, you have quite a bit of fun Lowe-hating to look forward to, unfortunately for those of us who come here to discuss football and support the team.

[Saint Bones]

Just a quick one.

 

Shown this site to a PNE,Liverpool and Bolton Suppoter ( My mates - yes sad to say ) and they cannot believe the ammount of non football related ******** on here.

 

Ahhh - keeps me posting

 

Just thought I'd post comments from the outside

 

PS - Wow Boll -Ocks is a ****** word, How about that

Edited 8 December, 2008 by Saint Bones
B O L L O C K S

[RedWillie]

Appointment of a manager who is out of his depth? Replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters? These are the roots of our current "problems"? you illustrate exactly why you rabid Lowe-blamers cannot be taken seriously. What utterly absurd statements!

 

The roots of our problems are finances. The club's expenses continue to reflect a Premiership infrastructure, and some very unwise and unsuccessful spending on player purchases/contracts over the past couple of seasons. The club's revenue streams refllect a team struggling in the bottom half of the CCC. Ergo: severe cost-cutting measures needed to keep the club fiscally viable, with all the consequences that flow therefrom.

 

As to the manager and players: they are doing no worse than our managers and team last year, when we had managers with plenty of experience of the British game and who presumably "knew what they were doing", in Burley and Pearson, and lots of highly experienced players. Do you forget that with those managers and players we barely avoided relegation, by the skin of our teeth, on the last day of the season? Do you forget that under Pearson we lost far more games than we won? Do you forget that those experienced players underperformed horrendously for us, both under Burley and under Pearson? Evidently you do.

 

Poortvliet was appointed by Lowe: therefore, he must be no good. The academy was set up by Lowe, and the youth policy is his policy: therefore, the young players cannot be any good. That is clearly your "thinking" ... if one can dignify the process occurring in your brain with the term "thought".

 

The plain truth is that the club is currently doing what had to be done, regardless of who is in charge; and the manager and team are doing as well as could be expected under the circumstances, perhaps even a little better than could be expected. You will neither see nor admit this of course: you'd have to be able to take off your anti-Lowe blinkers to be able to see that. All those of us who simply aren't fussed about Lowe one way or the other are clearly just "Lowe-luvvies" or "Lowe stooges" who refuse to admit the "truth". And you cannot see how laughable such a position is.

 

Here's another piece of plain truth for you: every year three clubs get relegated from the Prem, and in each case the blame for relegation lies with various persons from the chairman down through the manager to the team (above all), and ultimately the system that dictates that each year three clubs must go down. Our relegation, therefore, was only in part Lowe's fault, and a relatively small part at that. Since relegation, there have been years for new persons to come in with new investment to "rescue" the club from Lowe. The rich Saints fans and billionaire outsiders have had every opportunity to buy Lowe out, if they wanted to. Lowe has actually been removed from power for several years, and replaced by "real fans" and "real football people". Results: no difference, except greater financial imprudence in running the club, and no new investment whatsoever. So get used to one thing: Lowe will be running the club for some time, like it or not. Because no-one else capable of doing a better job, and willing to do what it takes to buy Lowe out, is actually out there. No-one. So if you insist on spending your time hating Lowe, you have quite a bit of fun Lowe-hating to look forward to, unfortunately for those of us who come here to discuss football and support the team.

 

what he said....!

 

Get behind the team ffs. They are all that matters.

[Wes Tender]

Do you forget that under Pearson we lost far more games than we won?

 

I really can't be bothered to go through the whole post and debate every point, as I am shortly going out.

 

But having read the statement above, perhaps it illustrates your shakey grasp of the situation last season compared to this:-

 

Pearson's record excluding the Plymouth game when he was not nominally in charge, was won three, drew 6, lost three. If thta equates in your mind to losing far more games than we won, then continue to delude yourself.

[slickmick]

You just don't have the imagination to realise that there are other alternatives to the situation that was brought about by Lowe, do you?

 

Everything doesn't have to be black or white; there are shades of grey too. There are experienced managers out there no more costly than JP, just as there are players out there more experienced than the youngsters and who wouldn't cost a fortune either.

 

The shade of grey that might well have produced better results is having a blend of experience and youth. Kindly give it some consideration before you try and rationalise incorrectly what I was saying.

 

The other alternatives are who exactly, give me a list of managers who would work with no money to spend and have to offload a majority of his team? There may well be experienced managers who will come as cheap as chips but there is probably a reason for that.

Although I agree, we would be a better team with the right blend of good experienced pro's, they don't come cheap. So maybe you meant not so good experienced pros, in which case I'd stick with what we have thanks.

 

If you believe I have incorrectly rationalised what you were saying, that could be because you have not filled in the blanks. Try backing up your views with an alternative other than an imagination.

 

Post below sums it up perfectly.

 

 

Appointment of a manager who is out of his depth? Replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters? These are the roots of our current "problems"? you illustrate exactly why you rabid Lowe-blamers cannot be taken seriously. What utterly absurd statements!

 

The roots of our problems are finances. The club's expenses continue to reflect a Premiership infrastructure, and some very unwise and unsuccessful spending on player purchases/contracts over the past couple of seasons. The club's revenue streams refllect a team struggling in the bottom half of the CCC. Ergo: severe cost-cutting measures needed to keep the club fiscally viable, with all the consequences that flow therefrom.

 

As to the manager and players: they are doing no worse than our managers and team last year, when we had managers with plenty of experience of the British game and who presumably "knew what they were doing", in Burley and Pearson, and lots of highly experienced players. Do you forget that with those managers and players we barely avoided relegation, by the skin of our teeth, on the last day of the season? Do you forget that under Pearson we lost far more games than we won? Do you forget that those experienced players underperformed horrendously for us, both under Burley and under Pearson? Evidently you do.

 

Poortvliet was appointed by Lowe: therefore, he must be no good. The academy was set up by Lowe, and the youth policy is his policy: therefore, the young players cannot be any good. That is clearly your "thinking" ... if one can dignify the process occurring in your brain with the term "thought".

 

The plain truth is that the club is currently doing what had to be done, regardless of who is in charge; and the manager and team are doing as well as could be expected under the circumstances, perhaps even a little better than could be expected. You will neither see nor admit this of course: you'd have to be able to take off your anti-Lowe blinkers to be able to see that. All those of us who simply aren't fussed about Lowe one way or the other are clearly just "Lowe-luvvies" or "Lowe stooges" who refuse to admit the "truth". And you cannot see how laughable such a position is.

 

Here's another piece of plain truth for you: every year three clubs get relegated from the Prem, and in each case the blame for relegation lies with various persons from the chairman down through the manager to the team (above all), and ultimately the system that dictates that each year three clubs must go down. Our relegation, therefore, was only in part Lowe's fault, and a relatively small part at that. Since relegation, there have been years for new persons to come in with new investment to "rescue" the club from Lowe. The rich Saints fans and billionaire outsiders have had every opportunity to buy Lowe out, if they wanted to. Lowe has actually been removed from power for several years, and replaced by "real fans" and "real football people". Results: no difference, except greater financial imprudence in running the club, and no new investment whatsoever. So get used to one thing: Lowe will be running the club for some time, like it or not. Because no-one else capable of doing a better job, and willing to do what it takes to buy Lowe out, is actually out there. No-one. So if you insist on spending your time hating Lowe, you have quite a bit of fun Lowe-hating to look forward to, unfortunately for those of us who come here to discuss football and support the team.

[slickmick]

I really can't be bothered to go through the whole post and debate every point, as I am shortly going out.

 

But having read the statement above, perhaps it illustrates your shakey grasp of the situation last season compared to this:-

 

Pearson's record excluding the Plymouth game when he was not nominally in charge, was won three, drew 6, lost three. If thta equates in your mind to losing far more games than we won, then continue to delude yourself.

 

 

Pearson is not the cheap experienced manager that you have suggested.

Although I believe he's a good manager, he does not fit your description of what is required. Not cheap, not experienced.

So who are these good experienced pro's that would love to sign for us, for next to nothing and willing to play for a salary that we have at the moment ?

[Ian the Red]

People like Wes Tender and Apline Saint have only one aim, to see Lowe out. They arrogantly write their interpretation and slate anyone who posts positive comments about the club, the team or the manager.The crux of the problem is simple: we do not have any money having seen Crouch, Wilde, Deliue, Hoon and co whittle away the money over their tenure of the club. Yes, we all know that Lowe made some horrendos mistakes, but when he left we were still financially viable.The one point that gets me is people saying that they will not go to watch Saints as it will line Lowes pockets. Well that is simply crap.* Lowe is a paid Director. He is receiving no dividends from shares; there are no dividends being paid. Frankly he is a better option than De Lieu or Hoon and certainly Crouch.

 

Get real, unless you have shed loads of money to buy him out or gain enough support from other shareholders the situation is not going to change.

 

If you support Saints you go to watch the team not the chairman, so the message is quite simple: get behind the team, if you can afford too, go to St Marys go!!! The club needs your business!! The football being played is good to watch we just need a goal scorer!! COYR

Edited 8 December, 2008 by Ian the Red

[rpb]

I used to post on the UI but got tired of Portsmouth fans coming on and spoiling every thread with their anti-Saints claptrap - it's now getting like that on here but the ant-Saints claptrap is coming from supposed Saints fans!

[Ian the Red]

I used to post on the UI but got tired of Portsmouth fans coming on and spoiling every thread with their anti-Saints claptrap - it's now getting like that on here but the ant-Saints claptrap is coming from supposed Saints fans!

 

My sentiments exactly!!

 

Get behind the team, the players need our support!!

[RedWillie]

yeah !

[alpine_saint]

I really can't be bothered to go through the whole post and debate every point, as I am shortly going out.

 

But having read the statement above, perhaps it illustrates your shakey grasp of the situation last season compared to this:-

 

Pearson's record excluding the Plymouth game when he was not nominally in charge, was won three, drew 6, lost three. If thta equates in your mind to losing far more games than we won, then continue to delude yourself.

 

LOLOLOLOLOL !!!

 

Wish the Lowe Spin Committee would get its facts right...

[alpine_saint]

People like Wes Tender and Apline Saint have only one aim, to see Lowe out. They arrogantly write their interpretation and slate anyone who posts positive comments about the club, the team or the manager.The crux of the problem is simple: we do not have any money having seen Crouch, Wilde, Deliue, Hoon and co whittle away the money over their tenure of the club. Yes, we all know that Lowe made some horrendos mistakes, but when he left we were still financially viable.The one point that gets me is people saying that they will not go to watch Saints as it will line Lowes pockets. Well that is simply crap.* Lowe is a paid Director. He is receiving no dividends from shares; there are no dividends being paid. Frankly he is a better option than De Lieu or Hoon and certainly Crouch.

 

Get real, unless you have shed loads of money to buy him out or gain enough support from other shareholders the situation is not going to change.

 

If you support Saints you go to watch the team not the chairman, so the message is quite simple: get behind the team, if you can afford too, go to St Marys go!!! The club needs your business!! The football being played is good to watch we just need a goal scorer!! COYR

 

Christ, now we've got one who cant even name the board of directors that were to him evidently worse.

[rpb]

Christ, now we've got one who cant even name the board of directors that were to him evidently worse.

 

So what? The thrust of the message was quite clear and spot on.

[Fan The Flames]

Whenever we don't win a game, posters always have to find a scapegoat...last seasons overpaid, useless good for nothings.

 

I think you will find that most people are behind the team including those that wish for change in the board room.

 

This is a messageboard a place where people air their views its has no effect on the team.

[Fan The Flames]

There were people moaning when we were in the Premiership too. I imagine they might have killed themselves by now though.

 

I saved my moaning for Burley. I'm quite happy now.

 

So when there was something you didn't like it was OK to moan.

[Fan The Flames]

All those of us who simply aren't fussed about Lowe one way or the other:

 

Lowe will be running the club for some time, like it or not. Because no-one else capable of doing a better job

 

Not fussed either way my arse.

[Fan The Flames]

The crux of the problem is simple: we do not have any money having seen Crouch, Wilde, Deliue, Hoon and co whittle away the money over their tenure of the club.

 

Priceless, everyone but Lowe spunked the cash.

[Thedelldays]

Priceless, everyone but Lowe spunked the cash.

 

 

isnt that what he gets slated for not doing....spending?

 

so which is it..?

[Weston Super Saint]

 

Why all the constant threads about Lowe? He's kept a low profile and it's about the team -

 

No, I see what you mean, he's never in the paper or anything....

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2010060.ece

[Fan The Flames]

isnt that what he gets slated for not doing....spending?

 

so which is it..?

 

He was clearly involved in signing contracts before he left.

[Sundance Beast]

I really can't be bothered to go through the whole post and debate every point, as I am shortly going out.

 

But having read the statement above, perhaps it illustrates your shakey grasp of the situation last season compared to this:-

 

Pearson's record excluding the Plymouth game when he was not nominally in charge, was won three, drew 6, lost three. If thta equates in your mind to losing far more games than we won, then continue to delude yourself.

 

Wes, first of all lets acknowledge RinNY's quite brilliant post that is still not let down by one over exaggerated fact. Likewise, please do not resort to misquoting the facts and every record I have seen on Pearson's time here, was W3 D6 L4. You cannot exclude the Plymouth game as he was not nominally in charge he was in charge, he had been named our manager and spent the entire 90mins taking root in the technical area trying to identify our experienced professionals no doubt. Shall we say that he was not nominally in charge for what was probably the most abject performance ever seen by a Saints team, at Hull.

 

IMO the team's performance at home is purely down to psychological problems, unable to live up to the unrealistic and unsupportive expectations of the anti-lowe contingent despite the supportive comments from their chairman and 'inexperienced' manager who shows great qualities in being able to nuture and develop youth and talent. A proper coach and against the likes of Pearson and Keane etc someone who has performed professionally at the highest level and trained appropriately for his current role beyond simply being an 'ex-English League player with the get stuck, tackle and hoof mentality'. Or in Keane's case just mental

 

Pearson maybe performing well in League 1 but like players, managers like the rest of us know what level of ability we can perform at and when we know we are out of depth. Pearson will struggle next season and I doubt we shall see to many players coming out of the Leicester City academy.

[Wes Tender]

Appointment of a manager who is out of his depth? Replacement of experienced players with naive youngsters? These are the roots of our current "problems"? you illustrate exactly why you rabid Lowe-blamers cannot be taken seriously. What utterly absurd statements!

 

A matter of opinion. You have not disproved my statement with cogent arguments, all you have added is your opinion.

 

The roots of our problems are finances. The club's expenses continue to reflect a Premiership infrastructure, and some very unwise and unsuccessful spending on player purchases/contracts over the past couple of seasons.

 

And before the past couple of seasons too. But that wouldn't suit your viewpoint.

 

The club's revenue streams refllect a team struggling in the bottom half of the CCC. Ergo: severe cost-cutting measures needed to keep the club fiscally viable, with all the consequences that flow therefrom.

 

But that doesn't mean that the exact self same cost-cutting measures had to be employed. There are several ways to skin a cat.

 

As to the manager and players: they are doing no worse than our managers and team last year, when we had managers with plenty of experience of the British game and who presumably "knew what they were doing", in Burley and Pearson, and lots of highly experienced players.

 

I've already pointed out the flaws in your statement regarding Pearson's record compared to Poortvliet's. But of course Poortvliet's record doesn't stack up against Burley's either when comparing an equal timescale at the beginning of last season. Your argument leaks like a sieve. I'll grant you that the worst part of last season was when Dodd and Gorman were in charge, but I've never defended them as being any good.

 

Do you forget that with those managers and players we barely avoided relegation, by the skin of our teeth, on the last day of the season? Do you forget that under Pearson we lost far more games than we won? Do you forget that those experienced players underperformed horrendously for us, both under Burley and under Pearson? Evidently you do.

 

See above.

 

Poortvliet was appointed by Lowe: therefore, he must be no good. The academy was set up by Lowe, and the youth policy is his policy: therefore, the young players cannot be any good. That is clearly your "thinking" ... if one can dignify the process occurring in your brain with the term "thought".

 

You have one addled brain if that is what you think. I'll express it for you in more measured terms.

 

Poortvliet is out of his depth because he lacks experience both of British football and at this level. Therefore his appointment was a massive gamble that has not so far proven to have borne fruit.

 

The youth set-up preceded Lowe, as I'm sure you know.

 

It is not necessarily the case that the youngsters are no good, merely that some of them are not ready yet for the step-up and also there were too many of them blooded at the same time which meant that the team was unbalanced from lack of experience.

 

If you thought to credit me with the train of thought that you would like to tar me with, then it is clearly you who lack the cogent thought processes that you delude yourself as possessing.

 

The plain truth is that the club is currently doing what had to be done, regardless of who is in charge; and the manager and team are doing as well as could be expected under the circumstances, perhaps even a little better than could be expected. You will neither see nor admit this of course:

 

No. Of course not. Why should I not hold views that there were other ways that things could be done and change them just to please you?

 

 

you'd have to be able to take off your anti-Lowe blinkers to be able to see that. All those of us who simply aren't fussed about Lowe one way or the other are clearly just "Lowe-luvvies" or "Lowe stooges" who refuse to admit the "truth". And you cannot see how laughable such a position is.

 

I hardly ever label people as being in one camp or another, although there are clearly some who do. I accept their right to hold their own opinions even though I might disagree with them. Shame that you're not so tolerant.

 

And of course, there is no counter argument that those who hold views that are the other side of the coin are blinkered themselves.

 

And those people are not prepared to admit the "truth" that the root of the current mess that we find ourselves lies at Lowe's door. That's the laughable position, that you have the brass neck to call your opinion "the truth" and are not prepared to be big enough to accept that it just might not be, but just your opinion.

 

Here's another piece of plain truth for you: every year three clubs get relegated from the Prem, and in each case the blame for relegation lies with various persons from the chairman down through the manager to the team (above all), and ultimately the system that dictates that each year three clubs must go down. Our relegation, therefore, was only in part Lowe's fault, and a relatively small part at that.

 

Yes, it was hardly his fault at all. It was all the fault of the system.

 

 

Since relegation, there have been years for new persons to come in with new investment to "rescue" the club from Lowe. The rich Saints fans and billionaire outsiders have had every opportunity to buy Lowe out, if they wanted to. Lowe has actually been removed from power for several years,

Two is several? Right...

 

and replaced by "real fans" and "real football people". Results: no difference, except greater financial imprudence in running the club, and no new investment whatsoever. So get used to one thing: Lowe will be running the club for some time, like it or not.

He'll be gone in a couple of years IMO.

 

Because no-one else capable of doing a better job, and willing to do what it takes to buy Lowe out, is actually out there. No-one. So if you insist on spending your time hating Lowe, you have quite a bit of fun Lowe-hating to look forward to, unfortunately for those of us who come here to discuss football and support the team.

 

This is an internet forum, open for discussion of any topic relating to the club and how it is run. If you only like reading posts disussing the team, then perhaps you would be better off avoiding those relating to the board.

[Fan The Flames]

"unable to live up to the unrealistic and unsupportive expectations of the anti-lowe contingent"

 

So the team is only overcome with these "psychological problems" at home and not affected away where the crowd is according to you, Sandunce, filled with the stay away Lowe haters. Hmmm strange this psychological stuff.

[Wes Tender]

Wes, first of all lets acknowledge RinNY's quite brilliant post that is still not let down by one over exaggerated fact. Likewise, please do not resort to misquoting the facts and every record I have seen on Pearson's time here, was W3 D6 L4. You cannot exclude the Plymouth game as he was not nominally in charge he was in charge, he had been named our manager and spent the entire 90mins taking root in the technical area trying to identify our experienced professionals no doubt. Shall we say that he was not nominally in charge for what was probably the most abject performance ever seen by a Saints team, at Hull.

 

IMO the team's performance at home is purely down to psychological problems, unable to live up to the unrealistic and unsupportive expectations of the anti-lowe contingent despite the supportive comments from their chairman and 'inexperienced' manager who shows great qualities in being able to nuture and develop youth and talent. A proper coach and against the likes of Pearson and Keane etc someone who has performed professionally at the highest level and trained appropriately for his current role beyond simply being an 'ex-English League player with the get stuck, tackle and hoof mentality'. Or in Keane's case just mental

 

Pearson maybe performing well in League 1 but like players, managers like the rest of us know what level of ability we can perform at and when we know we are out of depth. Pearson will struggle next season and I doubt we shall see to many players coming out of the Leicester City academy.

 

Is this the brilliant post that I've just picked several holes out of? In many ways, he's just like you, Sundance. Anybody who disagrees with his opinion is blinkered and his opinion is the "truth", whereas anybody who disagrees with it is a sandwich short of a picnic.

[voteforpedro]

No matter what Lowe does or doesn't do he will get slated by the 'lowe out' people. The truth is every chairman/ board member we have had in the last 5 years is partly responsible for the position we are now in; whether it was overspending/ underspending hiring/firing managers at the wrong time getting too involve in the team/ giving the manager too much freedom in the transfer market etc.

However at this moment in time the only person who will see us out of this financial mess is Lowe. There is no alternative as chairman, there is no one with money who will buy the club, there is no one else who will have the backing of barclays. We are stuck with what we have got whether people like it or not. The fact is no amount of protesting will make Lowe leave as it means he will lose every penny he has put into the club.

[Thedelldays]

He was clearly involved in signing contracts before he left.

 

 

clearly..wasnt he slated for NOT doing this many many many many many times before....??????

[um pahars]

Yes, we all know that Lowe made some horrendos mistakes, but when he left we were still financially viable.

 

We were not financilly viable when Lowe left us. Nowhere near it.

 

The last season that he presided in saw us haemoraghing cash, as costs far exceeded our income.

 

We lost 9 million in cash out the door on normal operations in that season and that was even after receiving a 7 million parachute payment (ie on ongoing operational costs and revenue we were 16 million adrift).

 

Remember the quotes of "We don't know where the next penny was coming from"???

 

We were continually shipping out players to keep the wolves from the door.

[alpine_saint]

Wes, first of all lets acknowledge RinNY's quite brilliant post that is still not let down by one over exaggerated fact. Likewise, please do not resort to misquoting the facts and every record I have seen on Pearson's time here, was W3 D6 L4. You cannot exclude the Plymouth game as he was not nominally in charge he was in charge, he had been named our manager and spent the entire 90mins taking root in the technical area trying to identify our experienced professionals no doubt. Shall we say that he was not nominally in charge for what was probably the most abject performance ever seen by a Saints team, at Hull.

 

IMO the team's performance at home is purely down to psychological problems, unable to live up to the unrealistic and unsupportive expectations of the anti-lowe contingent despite the supportive comments from their chairman and 'inexperienced' manager who shows great qualities in being able to nuture and develop youth and talent. A proper coach and against the likes of Pearson and Keane etc someone who has performed professionally at the highest level and trained appropriately for his current role beyond simply being an 'ex-English League player with the get stuck, tackle and hoof mentality'. Or in Keane's case just mental

 

Pearson maybe performing well in League 1 but like players, managers like the rest of us know what level of ability we can perform at and when we know we are out of depth. Pearson will struggle next season and I doubt we shall see to many players coming out of the Leicester City academy.

 

hehehehehe.

[rocknrollman no2]

We have had our worse start to the season EVER.

We are playing the reserve team who have only won once at home and all of Ruperts meddling is turning the fans away from attending.

We have an untried Head Coach who is out of his depth and if whats been posted by some is true,is at loggerheads with the man who gave him the job in the first place.

And Washsaint wonders why some on here are pointing the finger of blame????

[Thedelldays]

We have had our worse start to the season EVER.

We are playing the reserve team who have only won once at home and all of Ruperts meddling is turning the fans away from attending.

We have an untried Head Coach who is out of his depth and if whats been posted by some is true,is at loggerheads with the man who gave him the job in the first place.

And Washsaint wonders why some on here are pointing the finger of blame????

 

 

i make you right on that one..

[Fan The Flames]

clearly..wasnt he slated for NOT doing this many many many many many times before....??????

 

The point is some people blame everyone apart from Lowe. They cite things that the others have done when Lowe has clearly done the same thing.

 

Yes he was wrong not to spend the cash when we were in the premiership. He was also involved in contract negotiations when we were in the Championship so spent the money like the others on the posters list. Which was a gamble worth taking in my opinion, but I wasn't talking about the merits of each board members performance, I was pointing out that people on here blame everyone apart from Lowe. I wish people would call it as it is and not twist history to defend Lowe, it's like they are obsessed with Lowe.

[Weston Super Saint]

We have had our worse start to the season EVER.

We are playing the reserve team who have only won once at home and all of Ruperts meddling is turning the fans away from attending.

We have an untried Head Coach who is out of his depth and if whats been posted by some is true,is at loggerheads with the man who gave him the job in the first place.

And Washsaint wonders why some on here are pointing the finger of blame????

 

Washsaint, RinNy and Sumdunce Breast just sent me a PM and said you could borrow these off them any time you wanted....

 

 

[benjii]

No matter what Lowe does or doesn't do he will get slated by the 'lowe out' people. The truth is every chairman/ board member we have had in the last 5 years is partly responsible for the position we are now in; whether it was overspending/ underspending hiring/firing managers at the wrong time getting too involve in the team/ giving the manager too much freedom in the transfer market etc.

However at this moment in time the only person who will see us out of this financial mess is Lowe. There is no alternative as chairman, there is no one with money who will buy the club, there is no one else who will have the backing of barclays. We are stuck with what we have got whether people like it or not. The fact is no amount of protesting will make Lowe leave as it means he will lose every penny he has put into the club.

 

I've read this from a lot of posters on here but I can't remember one of them ever explaining why?

 

Lowe is in power because Wilde had a panic attack, it is not because of his remarkable business recovery skills.

[Weston Super Saint]

I've read this from a lot of posters on here but I can't remember one of them ever explaining why?

 

Lowe is in power because Wilde had a panic attack, it is not because of his remarkable business recovery skills.

 

But, but, but, isn't he the head honcho of a dynamic international investment bank

[benjii]

But, but, but, isn't he the head honcho of a dynamic international investment bank

 

Aww... bless 'im. I hear the Scoobs recovery is actually going surprisingly well.

[Delmary]

My god, this place is like the Marie Celeste these days and no wonder! Posters like Navyred being forced out by the continual bitterness and shrewing of the crowd.

 

Whenever we don't win a game, posters always have to find a scapegoat...be it McGoldrick, Lallana, Patterson, whomever - and most of those throwing the stones have not even been there to see the game!

 

Why all the constant threads about Lowe? He's kept a low profile and it's about the team - our hands are tied by the Banks and we should be giving all our support to the young lads who are trying to move us forward.

 

Yes, it's frustrating when we throw away 3 points like on Saturday but it's all part of the learning curve.....for those that preferred to watch last seasons overpaid, useless good for nothings......I am surprised.

 

For goodness sake, get behind the team and manager instead of constantly slagging them off - for the first time in years we have a group of players who WANT to play for Saints rather than the money.

Agree in part but christ let's not forget that Rupert is the king of the blame game.

[um pahars]

I've read this from a lot of posters on here but I can't remember one of them ever explaining why?

 

Lowe is in power because Wilde had a panic attack, it is not because of his remarkable business recovery skills.

 

Absolutely.

 

I find it staggering that people feel we have to dip into the same stagnant gene pool of shareholders and appoint a CEO/Chairman who failed so miserably last time around.

 

Why is he the only one who can save us (and WTF happens when he does decide to stand down given he is the only one able to do this job:rolleyes::rolleyes:).