Viking Warrior Posted 25 October, 2013 Share Posted 25 October, 2013 I have not seen the footage but I wonder if certain players are over pulsing the race card .certain individuals are jumping on and supporting tourers claims . Ousley etc . They have an agenda . The mirror is behind him because it is a Manchester paper . But what is most revealing according to the independent is that some of his team mates are saying that his claim is not true . Even is ivotry coast colleague is opposed with with what he his saying . My question is are certain footballers or certain inviduals using the race card for their own gain ? I'm opposed the racism across the board but are certain players stoking the fires of hatred . Toure is wanting the Greek referee banned for life but says nothing about the cs k. Players or club apart from ignoring the 2016 0lympics What's the verdict on here about toure claims ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 October, 2013 Share Posted 25 October, 2013 Didn't hear anything at the time, don't see why the referee should face any action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 If the ref didn't hear anything then why on Earth should he stop the game or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I have not seen the footage but I wonder if certain players are over pulsing the race card .certain individuals are jumping on and supporting tourers claims . Ousley etc . They have an agenda . The mirror is behind him because it is a Manchester paper . But what is most revealing according to the independent is that some of his team mates are saying that his claim is not true . Even is ivotry coast colleague is opposed with with what he his saying . My question is are certain footballers or certain inviduals using the race card for their own gain ? I'm opposed the racism across the board but are certain players stoking the fires of hatred . Toure is wanting the Greek referee banned for life but says nothing about the cs k. Players or club apart from ignoring the 2016 0lympics What's the verdict on here about toure claims ? In what way is The Mirror a Manchester paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 (edited) Far form being some figment of this players fevered imagination, the following clip proves that the racial abused (in the form of repugnant 'Monkey Chants') directed at Yaya Toure was also noticed by at least one British jurno. Indeed so apparent was the abuse that the reporter took the trouble to specifically question him about it during his post match interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twOVDv3nb5A The record also shows that UEFA have officially charged CSKA Moscow with quote: "racist behavior of their fans" and are also investigating the actions of the match referee - presumably on the basis of their own accredited Match Assessors report. As for the views of this Ivory Coast teammate the OP makes such a big play of, as Seydou Doumbia is a paid CSKA player - and therefore interested in seeing this team progress - he can hardly be depicted as being completely impartial can he! So unless the OP can provide some convincing alternate explanation as to the facts of this matter - perhaps the reporter and the player have conspired together to promote this sinister "agenda" he sees - then I shall continue to regard Toure's statements as being a fair representation of what actually occurred that night. My advice to you Viking is that before you start frowning serious allegations, allegations laced with pejorative phrases such as 'race card' about on here, you take the trouble to exam the facts of the matter first. Indeed, I'm left wondering who is it that really has a "agenda" to promote here ... Yaya Toure or you? Edited 26 October, 2013 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 26 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October, 2013 (edited) Chapel end if you read my post I said I had not seen the footage and just posed the question . I was not and certainly did not start frowning serious allegations as you put it . So apologies if my post was lost in translation I was reading about toures claim in the independent last night and I was curious as to why his team mates didn't appear to support his comments as the abuse didn't appear to be aimed them . Yes there is racism in certain countries . I'm not sure why the referee should be taken to task . The fans of CK yes . Should a game be stopped because of some idiots . I don't know the answer do the majority of fans suffer because if a few idiots . The authorities need to fully investigate what went on and deal with it accordingly if it means banning Ck then so be it I t seems what ever happened at the match has overshadowed citahs victory . So once again chapel I apologise if you thought I was throwing serious allegations about I wasn't just asking a question based on the independent newspaper Edited 26 October, 2013 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 His Ivorian team mate has denied making the comments that appeared on the CSKA website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Far form being some figment of this players fevered imagination, the following clip proves that the racial abused (in the form of repugnant 'Monkey Chants') directed at Yaya Toure was also noticed by at least one British jurno. Indeed so apparent was the abuse that the reporter took the trouble to specifically question him about it during his post match interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twOVDv3nb5A The record also shows that UEFA have officially charged CSKA Moscow with quote: "racist behavior of their fans" and are also investigating the actions of the match referee - presumably on the basis of their own accredited Match Assessors report. As for the views of this Ivory Coast teammate the OP makes such a big play of, as Seydou Doumbia is a paid CSKA player - and therefore interested in seeing this team progress - he can hardly be depicted as being completely impartial can he! So unless the OP can provide some convincing alternate explanation as to the facts of this matter - perhaps the reporter and the player have conspired together to promote this sinister "agenda" he sees - then I shall continue to regard Toure's statements as being a fair representation of what actually occurred that night. My advice to you Viking is that before you start frowning serious allegations, allegations laced with pejorative phrases such as 'race card' about on here, you take the trouble to exam the facts of the matter first. Indeed, I'm left wondering who is it that really has a "agenda" to promote here ... Yaya Toure or you? Ignoring the anti Viking bit as Im not interested in adding another feud to my lengthy list Id say your pretty much spot on. Im not sure he is overplaying it at all, it happened. Yes the 'race card' is often used far too easily for my liking as an excuse for certain misdemeanors and often even just because someone feels wronged. But in this case he has a right to be upset. The monkey chant is abhorrent and I think what makes it worse is Uefas apparant directive opposes it without actually tackling the points or the issues without any form of reasonable punutative actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Far form being some figment of this players fevered imagination, the following clip proves that the racial abused (in the form of repugnant 'Monkey Chants') directed at Yaya Toure was also noticed by at least one British jurno. Indeed so apparent was the abuse that the reporter took the trouble to specifically question him about it during his post match interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twOVDv3nb5A The record also shows that UEFA have officially charged CSKA Moscow with quote: "racist behavior of their fans" and are also investigating the actions of the match referee - presumably on the basis of their own accredited Match Assessors report. As for the views of this Ivory Coast teammate the OP makes such a big play of, as Seydou Doumbia is a paid CSKA player - and therefore interested in seeing this team progress - he can hardly be depicted as being completely impartial can he! So unless the OP can provide some convincing alternate explanation as to the facts of this matter - perhaps the reporter and the player have conspired together to promote this sinister "agenda" he sees - then I shall continue to regard Toure's statements as being a fair representation of what actually occurred that night. My advice to you Viking is that before you start frowning serious allegations, allegations laced with pejorative phrases such as 'race card' about on here, you take the trouble to exam the facts of the matter first. Indeed, I'm left wondering who is it that really has a "agenda" to promote here ... Yaya Toure or you?totality agree with your post. makes me laugh that he claims that a black players has a agenda...like what . :what: Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 26 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October, 2013 (edited) I formally apologise for my op if it has offended folk . I was only gauging opinions on what had happened . I stated from the outset that I had not seen or heard any of the match reports and that my comments were in relation to what was reported in the independent . I have listed to the footage above and I see it was a reporter who raised the topic with toure . And it has been reported through official channels and uefa will report on the incident following their investigation next week . Whatever happened in Moscow it has sparked a debate re racism in football . Do you ban all fans . Do you suspend clubs from competing in competitions. Something needs to be done to eradicate not only racism but all forms of discrimination in sport and society . If certain fans are chanting monkey chants then then the only way to stop it . Is to ban the fans from attending for a number of games . It doesn't matter that clubs do their upmost to stop racist chants at the end of the day you can not stop a load of idiots chanting racist comments . Edited 26 October, 2013 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I formally apologise for my op if it has offended folk . I was only gauging opinions on what had happened . I stated from the outset that I had not seen or heard any of the match reports and that my comments were in relation to what was reported in the independent . I have listed to the footage above and I see it was a reporter who raised the topic with toure . And it has been reported through official channels and uefa will report on the incident following their investigation next week . Whatever happened in Moscow it has sparked a debate re racism in football . Do you ban all fans . Do you suspend clubs from competing in competitions. Something needs to be done to eradicate not only racism but all forms of discrimination in sport and society . If certain fans are chanting monkey chants then then the only way to stop it . Is to ban the fans from attending for a number of games . It doesn't matter that clubs do their upmost to stop racist chants at the end of the day you can not stop a load of idiots chanting racist comments . VW this is a good post. But it is also an example of something that really annoys me about the world these days. Opinions have RIGHTLY changed in the UK in recent years regarding Discrimination of all forms. It did NOT however come about overnight or by use of a Magic Wand. It came by Education and Understanding, backed up by (often) Contentious Lobby Groups and Legislation. So, I actually find your Post to be Offensive and extremely non-PC. You are applying YOUR values to a different Nation, Different People and Different Culture and demanding "Sanctions". That IMHO is self serving Preaching and something which The Civilised world has done for Centuries and caused nothing but chaos (From the Missionaries through to Obama telling the Iranians/Syrians/This week's enemy how to behave) It is not the Clubs or the fans that should be punished, pressure must be brought on Governments to apply laws properly - oh wait, in Russia they have - see Olympics & Gays. You think that this is bad and Somebody MUST be punished. Sorry that STINKS of Western Arrogance and hypocrisy ingrained by centuries of telling the world what to do. THAT is not the answer, the change is a Cultural one in these countries. UK promotes Multi-Culturalism and yet you will not tolerate somebody else's (wrong) culture? FIFA, UEFA and The Olympic Committee have to lead the change in the field of Sport. It is a simple task. Tell participating Nations that they (ie The Government of that Country) have to pass laws, abide by and implement a basic Multi-Cultural Charter or they do not get in to their events. It will take a long time but it is a heck of a lot better than a knee jerk isolated reaction each time somebody does something that people find offensive. Racism is offensive. But to some uneducated people it is no worse than farting in an elevator. You do NOT change that behaviour by rants and fines ALONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 26 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Thanks Phil a good post I take your point I'm not applying my values in anyway. Let alone putting down or ignoring any other countries or other persons culture . I have experienced racism first hand when I was going out with an Indian girl, and up here because I'm English I have stood up against racists who have abused my ethnic friends and colleagues . I have lived in many parts of the world over the years and fully understand and integrate with different values and cultures . I total concur there should be at least a basic multi cultural charter . Maybe the UN could lead on this . We live in a troubled world and it's going to take some thing extraordinary to achieve such global initiatives . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I was actually concerned about Garth Crooks comments when he was condemning Wenger and Mourinho for wanting to see evidence before deciding what action would be appropriate. If the evidence is there then fine, if it isn't then a witch-hunt every time someone accuses fans of racism is the last thing that is needed. I sympathise with him to an extent as I suspect he took a lot of racist abuse back in the day but he's misguided if he thinks a boycott will achieve anything long term. I condemn racism as much as the next guy but if the black players boycott the 2018 World Cup then congratulations, you've given the racists exactly what they want - an all white world cup. Russia is probably the most racist and homophobic country in the world but what needs to change are the society's attitudes. The best way of dealing with the racists is rubbing their noses in it by black players producing MOTM performances, and playing to the best of their ability. Then if there are serious issues with racism during the tournament let FIFA bear the brunt of the inevitable and completely justified outrage, at the decision to hold the world cup there in the first place. Personally I don't see there being any major issues in 5 years time though, as the Russian authorities will have dealt with it in the build-up, as their country are in the world's spotlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I'm with Toure, the Russians are a bunch of c*nts who shouldn't be hosting a World cup. No place for racism in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I'm with Toure, the Russians are a bunch of c*nts who shouldn't be hosting a World cup. No place for racism in football. Not your brightest post ever and that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 October, 2013 Share Posted 28 October, 2013 Its about time UEFA started taking racist abuse seriously. Its going on in far too many countries. And the way CSKA are trying to discredit Toure rather than deal with the real issues is disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 October, 2013 Share Posted 28 October, 2013 Not your brightest post ever and that's saying something. Well, I agree with him Turks. I used to have a lot of time for Russian people and Russia, but the whole nations seems to have adopted Putin-eque "f**k you" attitudes over everything when dealing with others/outsiders. Imo the bad behaviour of their tourists in other countries is rapidly catching up to the bad behaviour of the British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 28 October, 2013 Lets see what Uefa say about this first Alps They are due to report on the wednesday I dont like the thought of points being deducted from teams as blatter has suggested. Whats to stop some idiots going into the opposing ends fans an hurling abuse just to get point deducted from the opposition. Sadly their are idiots that will try an do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 I despise political correctness, race-baiting, exaggeration and playing the race-card as much as anyone and am very quick to call it out whenever it takes place. HOWEVER, when it really is genuine, out-and-out, racist nastiness such as this, I'm all for UEFA coming down on them like a tonne of bricks, even though it will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Well, with UEFA passing judgement on this case tonight - and finding CSKA guilty as charged - I take it that no one on here continues to dispute that Yaya Toure was indeed subject to actual racial abuse during the match in question. The fact CSKA even attempted to deny their obvious guilt in this matter is a disgrace in my view. UEFA have decided that one end stand at the Moscow stadium will remain closed during their next Champions League tie v Bayern Munich. This is good as far as it goes, but if it were it my call I would have gone further and insisted the entire ground be shut because only when it really hurts the offending clubs financially will they even begin to take this issue seriously. What is more, should there be a repeat of this appalling incident then methinks they should be thrown out of the competition. Mark my words, one of these days a manager will take his team off the pitch or a brave referee will decided to abandon a match when this type of vile abuse happens again. The sh1t will hit the fan then, but that will actually be a good day for football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 30 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2013 I'm not sure closing part of the ground will help . It's not going to stop the racist thugs attending unless they have all been identified . A points deduction would have been better but short of playing behind closed the door . I'm not sure what else can be done by clubs . They could employ more police and arrest people there and then if they make racist comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 30 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2013 (edited) I see that the referee has been absolved from blame as he reported it to the fourth official who reported it to the venue director who has now been relieved of his duties , I'm pleased toure has been vindicated . But he was highly critical of the referee not doing anything intimated I hope someone man city or the media apologise to the referee for the negative press the ref received Edited 30 October, 2013 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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