modern matron Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Jan has had it and must go asap. In my opinion with things as they are we have to look at lower league managers/coaches that would work with youngsters and no transfer budget . Names such as Jim Gannon at Stockport, Nigel Adkins at S****horpe, Kenny Jackett at Millwall, John Sheridan at Oldham, Peter Taylor at Wycombe, Paul Tisdale at Exeter or Gary Waddock at Aldershot are in our league. I would go for Gannon or Taylor with Paul Tisdale as a long shot. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Taylor, has lost 1 game all season since taking over at wycombe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 magilton might be out of work soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 magilton might be out of work soon... Would be a good move. Seems to get the best out of his players but he's poor in the transfer market, likes to play youngsters as well with Ipswich. Would be perfect for us since we just need someone to make us more organised and get the best out of our current crop of players. The Ipswich fans where protesting with banners yesterday at their game so he will be gone soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 aidy boothroyd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 I would take Magilton in a instant , Just the sort of manager to knock our youngsters into shape and a ex player to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 are any of those going to come here for £50k a year or will they sit tight and wait for something better to come along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Gary Mcallister! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Do they all have experience in organising and coaching a professional football team? I'll take any of them then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 what colour deckchairs and what arrangement will save most passengers when we hit iceberg then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 what colour deckchairs and what arrangement will save most passengers when we hit iceberg then? A lot of the passengers have left the ship already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 A lot of the passengers have left the ship already. after yesterday it is crew only left aboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 what colour deckchairs and what arrangement will save most passengers when we hit iceberg then? So you think there is nothing we can do? The question is simple: "Is the current manager getting the maximum out of the players?" If not, and given that he is leading them rapidly downwards in terms of both league position and performance level and has been doing so for a period of months, surely he should be removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 jonah, has a lot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Gary Mcallister's just been sacked :smt102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 that Pearson fella. oh wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Gary Mcallister's just been sacked :smt102 Any chance that we can do the same with Jan today? I'm not sure Gary Mc is the right man, he hasn't really shown he has what it takes so far, but the the same was said of WGS, and Gordie might put in a word for Gary to his old buddy Lowe. Of those mentioned my preference would be Tisdale, but can't see why he would leave Exeter to join us at the moment. Steve Cotterill is still out of a job I believe, thought he was the right man before Leon appointed Pearson, with Pearson unavailable Cotterill is probably one of the best candidates around. Knowing Lowe though he would appoint Hockaday, though to be fair he could not be any worse than Jan Nice but Dim Poortvliet, could he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andoverian Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Lowe chucked out the best man for the job. NIGEL PEARSON ! Thanks pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 So you think there is nothing we can do? The question is simple: "Is the current manager getting the maximum out of the players?" If not, and given that he is leading them rapidly downwards in terms of both league position and performance level and has been doing so for a period of months, surely he should be removed? Sure, and keep us this merry-go-round, let Lowe off the hook... Do we think that DMG is up to playing in thie league every week yet - if ever? Lloyd James? Pearce? Oscar Gobern? Lallana? Robertson? Patterson? Even BWP was not an automative choice after being bought... I think we'll change manager and get the same results. And that will have cost us more more money. I love the way everyone has turned on the manager and the reason he's failing and the PEOPLE responsible are getting away scott free... again.... Should he be here? No. Could someone else get more out of the players? Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Could someone else get more out of the players? Almost certainly. If the option is to stick with what we have or try someone else who knows the English game better then the gamble has to be taken. Simple really. Stick with what we have and go down, or gamble and hope that we stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Must be a manager who has already done well in this division or got a team out of it (upwards I mean!): Aidy Boothroyd Gary Johnson Billy Davies (hard to swallow this one but needs must) Iain Dowie Alan Curbishley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Lower league than JP's experience would really be Conference level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Must be a manager who has already done well in this division or got a team out of it (upwards I mean!): Aidy Boothroyd Gary Johnson Billy Davies (hard to swallow this one but needs must) Iain Dowie Alan Curbishley IF ANY of them would come in, take them. But they wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 iian dowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 I found Jan's replacement. It's a huge improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Peter Taylor is awful, wouldn't want him at all. How about Dave Penny? Got Doncaster promoted a couple of divisions and doing a decent job at Darlington now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Must be a manager who has already done well in this division or got a team out of it (upwards I mean!): Aidy Boothroyd Gary Johnson Billy Davies (hard to swallow this one but needs must) Iain Dowie Alan Curbishley yep. add peter taylor too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 I found Jan's replacement. It's a huge improvement I think this lad used to play for us in th 70s He used to grin like this after helping up another long suffering centre forward.. I think his name was John McGrath...God Bless hIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 i think this lad used to play for us in th 70s he used to grin like this after helping up another long suffering centre forward.. I think his name was john mcgrath...god bless him lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 what colour deckchairs and what arrangement will save most passengers when we hit iceberg then? I think we have already hit the iceberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 I think this lad used to play for us in th 70s He used to grin like this after helping up another long suffering centre forward.. I think his name was John McGrath...God Bless hIM Died quite a few years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Lower league than JP's experience would really be Conference level. Nicky Holmes then it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Chris Nicholl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Nicky Holmes then it is Interesting idea. I expect that he would be better at tactics, do better team selection, be a better motivator, and generally would be an all-around better coach than JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Chris Nicholl? And Nick Holmes We are bound to get shouts of what of Gorman and Dodd. I still believe we need to do something on this line. Now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoSaint Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Doesn't really count as a lower league manager but what is Keegan up to nowadays? Seeing as Kinnear has got the Newcastle job wrapped up. He'd certainly turn things around & get us promoted and then probably quit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 . Of those mentioned my preference would be Tisdale, but can't see why he would leave Exeter to join us at the moment. Steve Cotterill is still out of a job I believe, thought he was the right man before Leon appointed Pearson, with Pearson unavailable Cotterill is probably one of the best candidates around. Knowing Lowe though he would appoint Hockaday, though to be fair he could not be any worse than Jan Nice but Dim Poortvliet, could he? Tisdale's career is still in the ascendency so its unlikely he will want to jeopardise his growing reputation by joining our rapidly sinking ship. I can not imagine any self respecting manager with his future to think of wanting to work take on that poisoned (puss filled) chalice of SFC, with Lowe. Cotterill on the other hand is still out of work.Given his knowledge of English and world football,the beetroot-cheeked bastard will be well aware of Cotterills finest achievements-albeit nearly ten years ago - at Cheltenham Town as its less than 10 miles from Rupert's home in Glos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Tisdale's career is still in the ascendency so its unlikely he will want to jeopardise his growing reputation by joining our rapidly sinking ship. I can not imagine any self respecting manager with his future to think of wanting to work take on that poisoned (puss filled) chalice of SFC, with Lowe. Cotterill on the other hand is still out of work.Given his knowledge of English and world football,the beetroot-cheeked bastard will be well aware of Cotterills finest achievements-albeit nearly ten years ago - at Cheltenham Town as its less than 10 miles from Rupert's home in Glos. All I would say (albeit I think this is a bit of a useless debate) is that someone like Tisdale might be so self-assured that he thinks he can turn things around regardless of whom the Chairman is. We still have a 32k stadium, a Premiership infrastructure and potential. Remember, there are a lot of poor Chairmen about. We are not unique in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 (edited) IF ANY of them would come in, take them. But they wouldn't. With all due respect, how the hell do you know they wouldn`t Are you an agent acting for them? We are going down the slippery slope at a ever increasing speed sp we must try something as this idiotic experiment currently being persued is failing spectacularly. Edited 21 December, 2008 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 With all due respect but how the hell do you know they wouldn`t Are you an agent acting for them? We are going down the slippery slope at a ever increasing speed sp we must try something as this idiotic experiment currently being persued is failing spectacularly. Those proven managers know an easier job will come along than ours. One where they either have more money or freedom and aren't trying to turn around a side bereft of money and its best players, relying on academy players. You don't need to be an agent, just to have some fricking common sense. You know what happens when we fire Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Those proven managers know an easier job will come along than ours. One where they either have more money or freedom and aren't trying to turn around a side bereft of money and its best players, relying on academy players. You don't need to be an agent, just to have some fricking common sense. You know what happens when we fire Jan. I am sure there must be managers out there who would relish the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 I am sure there must be managers out there who would relish the challenge. Oh, I agree, totally. I just really doubt they are the proven ones in this league mentioned. Maybe Dowie - but after QPR he might be twice bitten... Micky Adams maybe?? You're really asking for a manager who has an affinity for the club that will off-set working for Rupert. Or someone lower down who sees this as a massive job with potential. Of course, as the credit cruch bites, who knows... Maybe Davies could be persuaded because he needs to pay his mortgage? I would love Boothroyd, Davies or their ilk. But I fear big time we would get Wotte and/or Hockaday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Apart from the cost of sacking Jan and appointing someone else, what right-minded manager would want to work for a chairman who doesn't allow him to do his job? Any self-respecting manager would want to be judged on his merits, tactics, transfer nous, not on actions that are thrust upon him. Jan's reputation won't be enhanced by his spell at SMS, will it. And most of the names mentioned so far are their own men and wouldn't take lightly to being bossed about in all areas of the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Apart from the cost of sacking Jan and appointing someone else, what right-minded manager would want to work for a chairman who doesn't allow him to do his job? Any self-respecting manager would want to be judged on his merits, tactics, transfer nous, not on actions that are thrust upon him. Jan's reputation won't be enhanced by his spell at SMS, will it. And most of the names mentioned so far are their own men and wouldn't take lightly to being bossed about in all areas of the job. And there we have the core of the problem. Any manager willing to work under Lowe's interference will almost certainly not be good enough to get the turn-around that we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 All I would say (albeit I think this is a bit of a useless debate) is that someone like Tisdale might be so self-assured that he thinks he can turn things around regardless of whom the Chairman is. We still have a 32k stadium, a Premiership infrastructure and potential. Remember, there are a lot of poor Chairmen about. We are not unique in that regard. Take your point re Tisdale or A.N.Other,and the possible attractions of SFC. But whilst there may be a lot of useless chairmen,we have one with a proven record of steering a disastrous course,almost on a path of self destruction.Ron Noades aside,is there a bigger arsehole or egotist in charge of any club ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 I think this lad used to play for us in th 70s He used to grin like this after helping up another long suffering centre forward.. I think his name was John McGrath...God Bless hIM Ottery, I often read and agree with your comments.Whilst the above was intended as a joke,it was greatly unjust on a great player even if you did end with "god bless him " . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Apart from the cost of sacking Jan and appointing someone else, what right-minded manager would want to work for a chairman who doesn't allow him to do his job? It's the cost of NOT sacking Jan that we should worry about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 anyone would be an improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Ron Noades aside,is there a bigger arsehole or egotist in charge of any club ? To be fair to Lowe, he is in quite good company. For some reason football seems to attract weirdos, egomaniacs and failures!!!!! George Reynolds, Bates, Knighton, Goldberg, Scully, Maxwell, Alex Hamilton, you could go on and on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 December, 2008 Share Posted 21 December, 2008 Ottery, I often read and agree with your comments.Whilst the above was intended as a joke,it was greatly unjust on a great player even if you did end with "god bless him " . I knew John personally, through family and I know John used to laugh at many of his caricatures re being a man mountain and a gorilla in a funny/amusing slant on his syle of play. It was never intended to be rude but as you say, a joke on a repeat of some of the cartoons he loved. Yes, I did end up with God bless him and meant it. I know John would have laughed with it, as the most obvious part of the joke was his BIG freindly grin. No offence intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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