lordswoodsaints Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 with a nice young laydeee in town. hows he doing out on loan,anybody know? he seems to have become the forgotten man on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He scored for Sheffield United on Saturday. I hope he stays in Sheffield tbh, can be a decent player but like a lot of our youngsters he has a high opinion of himself and think he's made it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I was told he is coming back in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 That's something to look forward to then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I was told he is coming back in January. We need to have all our players currently out on loan back, so that the best possible team can be rebuilt from resources we already own. The disastrous experiment has had it's day.. The whole squad needs to be rethought from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 The last I heard was that he absolutely hated it at Sheffield United, presumably on the basis that he wasn't getting a game. I think up until two or three weeks ago, he'd made 4 or 5 sub appearances which gave him a total of about 20 minutes on the pitch. That said, he scored on Saturday so he's obviously playing more of a part since then. I'd still expect to see him back here in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 The last I heard was that he absolutely hated it at Sheffield United, presumably on the basis that he wasn't getting a game. I think up until two or three weeks ago, he'd made 4 or 5 sub appearances which gave him a total of about 20 minutes on the pitch. That said, he scored on Saturday so he's obviously playing more of a part since then. I'd still expect to see him back here in January. Robertson needs to go back, just not a goalscoring striker at the moment. Dyer could solve our right side problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Robertson needs to go back, just not a goalscoring striker at the moment. Dyer could solve our right side problem Think Dyer has been a long way off what was his best form so cant see him being the answer to anything right now. If he got back to his best then he would still only be half way to reaching his supposed potential. IMO its not enough to warrent us keeping him or even putting his name down on the team sheet. If I were in charge and he turned up in January he would have to work his little cotton socks off to prove he even wants to get better before i thought about playing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Robertson needs to go back, just not a goalscoring striker at the moment. Dyer could solve our right side problem far too obvious. A right winger to play right wing. Meh, how is that going to demonstrate total `players can play in any position' football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 just seemed so odd to sign him up on a new contract and then loan him out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 just seemed so odd to sign him up on a new contract and then loan him out... think the idea might have been that he would get back to showing how much potential he had then we could sell him at a profit and save the bank having a fit at us. another decission that didnt go as planned mto add to the rest of the season. mind you if we let him go and he went on to another club and did fantastic we would be hacked off that we didnt sign him up and make some cash out of him. cant win sometimes huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I was told he is coming back in January. They'll all be back in January, we'll be just as sh*ite and even more skint than we are now (if that's possible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Robertson needs to go back, just not a goalscoring striker at the moment. Dyer could solve our right side problem You've obviously not seen Dyer play recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Think Dyer has been a long way off what was his best form so cant see him being the answer to anything right now. If he got back to his best then he would still only be half way to reaching his supposed potential. IMO its not enough to warrent us keeping him or even putting his name down on the team sheet. If I were in charge and he turned up in January he would have to work his little cotton socks off to prove he even wants to get better before i thought about playing him. We need a right midfielder to play wide, he looked in decent nick for Sheff Utd, our one man right back midfielder having to play the whole right side on his own is killing us. Dyer has pace and might just get to the byeline. We are not doing that. All the other alternatives are worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 We need a right midfielder to play wide, he looked in decent nick for Sheff Utd, our one man right back midfielder having to play the whole right side on his own is killing us. Dyer has pace and might just get to the byeline. We are not doing that. All the other alternatives are worse. He will undoubtedly get to the byline. 9 times out of 10 he'll get there first too. It's the shocking waste of the situation that ensues after he's done this that annoys me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He will undoubtedly get to the byline. 9 times out of 10 he'll get there first too. It's the shocking waste of the situation that ensues after he's done this that annoys me Not half as much as watching his superhyped non right midfielder, U21, future England star, showboating like a headless chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Not half as much as watching his superhyped non right midfielder, U21, future England star, showboating like a headless chicken. Sadly, they both achieve the same result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 We need a right midfielder to play wide, he looked in decent nick for Sheff Utd, our one man right back midfielder having to play the whole right side on his own is killing us. Dyer has pace and might just get to the byeline. We are not doing that. All the other alternatives are worse. Personally I would play Thompson ahead of Dyer right now. He has looked good on occasions and I think he might benifit from a few simple tactics (get to the bi-line and get some crosses in) and a few games. Dyer seems to put himself above doing anything basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Personally I would play Thompson ahead of Dyer right now. He has looked good on occasions and I think he might benifit from a few simple tactics (get to the bi-line and get some crosses in) and a few games. Dyer seems to put himself above doing anything basic. Cant say I agree on Thompson seems abit of a waste of a team place but frankly at the moment who isnt?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Cant say I agree on Thompson seems abit of a waste of a team place but frankly at the moment who isnt?! Would play him ahead of Dyer but that doesnt mean I think he is ready to be on the 1st team sheet. But agree on the other part. not many of our team at the moment are doing what is needed to warrent them getting onto the team sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Not half as much as watching his superhyped non right midfielder, U21, future England star, showboating like a headless chicken. I think your logic for Dyer's return is good, but your assessment of Lallana is not. The lad is our most talented player by someway, but suffers playing in this ridiculous system that expects our wide players to cross the ball and then get on the end of same cross! Dyer will look hilarious rather like roadrunner if he plays wide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I think your logic for Dyer's return is good, but your assessment of Lallana is not. The lad is our most talented player by someway, but suffers playing in this ridiculous system that expects our wide players to cross the ball and then get on the end of same cross! Dyer will look hilarious rather like roadrunner if he plays wide! Dont think this system expects that at all. if either side get the ball to the bi-line there should be the front person (mcgoldrick) in the box along with the person in the whole and the person from the oposite wing. add to that the RB or LB on the far side to cover any over hit balls. On paper this system should provide plenty of opertunities in the box if the wide players get to the bi-line and get in some crosses. how often does that happen though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I think your logic for Dyer's return is good, but your assessment of Lallana is not. The lad is our most talented player by someway, but suffers playing in this ridiculous system that expects our wide players to cross the ball and then get on the end of same cross! Dyer will look hilarious rather like roadrunner if he plays wide! Lallana has proved, by his inability to play in a selected position he doesn't want to be in, that he is not prepared to play for the team. You are clearly mistaking his undoubted ability for ball control and trickery as being a requirement to play in a team game. He plays for himself, is very undisciplined, has completely let down the team by playing anywhere, but the wide right position he is picked in. By doing this he has made it almost impossible to break down a massed defence, because of no width, and even worse has opened us up for the opposition to break and outnumber our defence. We have shipped loads of goals this year because of the way both he and McGoldrick when picked wide just didn't bother playing there. Dyer looked good for Sheff Utd and scored a good goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Lallana has proved, by his inability to play in a selected position he doesn't want to be in, that he is not prepared to play for the team. You are clearly mistaking his undoubted ability for ball control and trickery as being a requirement to play in a team game. We have shipped loads of goals this year because of the way both he and McGoldrick when picked wide just didn't bother playing there. . I doubt if our system required great rigidity actually. Great effort,positional awareness and team spirit yes,military discipline - no. I don't care where he plays,he can't kick the ball correctly and accurately without a week or so to do it that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I was told he is coming back in January. Good, a proper player of CCC standard whose wages are obviously not too high, Rupert having renewed his contract this summer. No doubt, under the revolutionary new coaching regime, he either won't get picked or will be played at left-back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I doubt if our system required great rigidity actually. Great effort,positional awareness and team spirit yes,military discipline - no. I don't care where he plays,he can't kick the ball correctly and accurately without a week or so to do it that's all. Not rigid, if he plays there most of the time but is spelled by a colleague when moving inside, that is not sacrificing the width and keeps the opponents defence spread. His inability to strike the ball cleanly is a worry, as is McGoldrick. We are in fact rigid at the moment, LB/LM wide left, RB only wide right. Totally lopsided. I actually think Lallana also gets in the way of the CM, breaking up their pairing. We have little effective shape, are extremely narrow and open to counter attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 As inconsistent as Dyer can be, if he got his head down for us then he could prove to be a useful player on the right side. With Holmes on the left and Dyer on the right, we'd be much more balanced as a team when attacking and our fortunes may improve. Still, all this is assuming Robertson goes back and Dyer returns to Saints. Only time will tell I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 As inconsistent as Dyer can be, if he got his head down for us then he could prove to be a useful player on the right side. With Holmes on the left and Dyer on the right, we'd be much more balanced as a team when attacking and our fortunes may improve. Still, all this is assuming Robertson goes back and Dyer returns to Saints. Only time will tell I guess. Im with you on that idea IF Dyer gets some of his form back, but like i said earlier we have never seen the potential that is supposed to be inside him somewhere. He was meant to be better than Theo when they were both 1st at the club and the expectation was that he was the real deal and Theo was 50/50. Has he ever looked like he was going to be that good for us? IMO he needs to get as good as he ever was for us and then knuckle down and make head way into that potential. On form I think he could be a really good asset to us but I just think he is no where near that good form we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Not half as much as watching his superhyped non right midfielder, U21, future England star, showboating like a headless chicken. did he steal your bird or something? You really don't like him do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Dont think this system expects that at all. if either side get the ball to the bi-line there should be the front person (mcgoldrick) in the box along with the person in the whole and the person from the oposite wing. add to that the RB or LB on the far side to cover any over hit balls. On paper this system should provide plenty of opertunities in the box if the wide players get to the bi-line and get in some crosses. how often does that happen though? I think you've got that wrong. The system works on the principle of players interchanging positions hence Lallana, McGoldrick, Euell, etc didn't stay in one place on Saturday. This is the total football nonsense that Jan and co are preaching. Obviously there's something in what you say but my point is the players do not look sure what they're doing half the time leading to crosses where there is noone on the end of them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Lallana has proved, by his inability to play in a selected position he doesn't want to be in, that he is not prepared to play for the team. You are clearly mistaking his undoubted ability for ball control and trickery as being a requirement to play in a team game. He plays for himself, is very undisciplined, has completely let down the team by playing anywhere, but the wide right position he is picked in. By doing this he has made it almost impossible to break down a massed defence, because of no width, and even worse has opened us up for the opposition to break and outnumber our defence. We have shipped loads of goals this year because of the way both he and McGoldrick when picked wide just didn't bother playing there. Dyer looked good for Sheff Utd and scored a good goal. Sorry Derry have to disagree! Lallana is a promising youngster who has improved immeasurably this season and is easily our most talented young player. Why you are so down on him him so much is beyond me! I'm sure you're in a very small minority. The system by design expects players to interchange all of the time which is what Lallana does. This what he's told to do. We don't play 442 with him on the right. As for your point re the attacking wide players leaving gaps I agree totally - Rudi gets exposed as well - but Cork and Surman are supposed to cover the gaps. This never works, we either end up with noone up front centrally or space in behind our midfield. Bring back 442 with 2 banks of 4 with 2 up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I think you've got that wrong. The system works on the principle of players interchanging positions hence Lallana, McGoldrick, Euell, etc didn't stay in one place on Saturday. This is the total football nonsense that Jan and co are preaching. Obviously there's something in what you say but my point is the players do not look sure what they're doing half the time leading to crosses where there is noone on the end of them.... in the total football aspect I agree with you and earlier on this thread I think I suggested that some of the lads need basic instructions. like stay wide, get to the bi-line and get some crosses in! drop some of the interchanging guff and get a few basic skills and tactics going on. the players we have surly are good enough to do this much? and with this formation would that not bare more success than recent weeks? JP said himself that we have been missing proper wingers which is what this system needs and we have suffered from lallana and mcgoldrick always coming inside when they should have been playing wide. James is a central midfeilder too so he hasnt often stayed wide and gone for the bi-line. so having Dyer back and (ehum) on form the system may benifit a little by stretching the play on either flank. Has Dyer got any of his form back though? TBH I havnt bothered keeping tabs on him and the 1st i heard of him scoring a goal was on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 in the total football aspect I agree with you and earlier on this thread I think I suggested that some of the lads need basic instructions. like stay wide, get to the bi-line and get some crosses in! drop some of the interchanging guff and get a few basic skills and tactics going on. the players we have surly are good enough to do this much? and with this formation would that not bare more success than recent weeks? JP said himself that we have been missing proper wingers which is what this system needs and we have suffered from lallana and mcgoldrick always coming inside when they should have been playing wide. James is a central midfeilder too so he hasnt often stayed wide and gone for the bi-line. so having Dyer back and (ehum) on form the system may benifit a little by stretching the play on either flank. Has Dyer got any of his form back though? TBH I havnt bothered keeping tabs on him and the 1st i heard of him scoring a goal was on this thread. Dyer started and played well, also scored. We don't interchange that is just bull****. The system is pretty inflexible one up front one floater behind, two CM, two wide men and four at the back. The only interchange is the odd time a CM goes wide. If we did interchange as a matter of course. there would be no problem as there would always be two wide on each side. It's the fact there is only one player, no interchange, and acres of space depending on the phase either in front of or worse for us behind the right back leaving our CBs stretched and vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Has dyer done his community service yet? Be good to have him back in January if for no other reason that the Northam can change the chant to 'dyer robs from the skates' - which is true and has been proved in a court of law, rather than the erroneous 'Bradley WP robs from the skates' which is not true as he was acquitted of all charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Has dyer done his community service yet? Be good to have him back in January if for no other reason that the Northam can change the chant to 'dyer robs from the skates' - which is true and has been proved in a court of law, rather than the erroneous 'Bradley WP robs from the skates' which is not true as he was acquitted of all charges. What we do know is that Bradley is much better looking out for crimestoppers than he is looking at the offside traps of opposing defensives. On Dyer, he has always never performed up to his potential. Remember that League Cup win 3-0 v Southend, he looked great. Was regarded almost on the same level as Walcott!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 did he steal your bird or something? You really don't like him do you? I don't dislike him one little bit. I just don't like the way our right side is messing up the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Poor mans SWP, and that is saying summit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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