Forest will stay up

[OldNick]

Billy Davies has been appointed manager at Forest. IMO they will now stay up.

That leaves Saints in an awful position as i cant see any other club we can overtake.

It was a mistake not to go for him. His desire and will to win will be a big factor.

I know many dislike him, but he is one of those that if he is on your side you love him if he is against you he really winds you up.

Jan seems a nice man but I cant see him turning us into winners.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Why!

 

Because he will get team to play the way required to compete in this league

unlike the clueless clown we have as coach.

 

But never mind as according to Lowe are playing some great football

along the way to league one,lower crowds,less income,more fan division

and most likely administration.

 

Well done Mr Wilde and Mr Lowe excellent job....:smt078

[broncoboy]

It looks like we are going to have a tough second half of the season.

 

We will need to put a run together of several wins to get out of the bottom three now.

 

If it doesnt start happening this month we will hard to avoid being relegated if other clubs start picking up points.

 

Prinmarily we need a striker to start knocking in soem goals

[OldNick]

As you are aware Im happy for the young players to be played and understand the financial plight, but the need for a tough manager who knows hiw to do well in this league is a must.

I will not accept RL letting things ride if jan doesnt get the results on track.

i dont care if we beat Man u (well I do but..) the league is paramount, the cup game is about money in.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

As you are aware Im happy for the young players to be played and understand the financial plight, but the need for a tough manager who knows hiw to do well in this league is a must.

I will not accept RL letting things ride if jan doesnt get the results on track.

i dont care if we beat Man u (well I do but..) the league is paramount, the cup game is about money in.

 

Penny dropped at last then...

[benjii]

We're well and truly stuffed.

 

I will laugh when all those ****s lose their share values though.

[OldNick]

Penny dropped at last then...

Not at all.I dont think RL gets it right every time, I never have agreed with everything any person in this world has done.On the manager situation i dont think that Jan will cut it.There is a difference to your position where the club gets everything wrong and mine where i judge each situation.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Not at all.I dont think RL gets it right every time, I never have agreed with everything any person in this world has done.On the manager situation i dont think that Jan will cut it.There is a difference to your position where the club gets everything wrong and mine where i judge each situation.

 

Tell me where "the club" has got anything right this season then?

 

One win at home!!

 

"Lovely" ineffective football!!

 

Erm??

[OldNick]

Tell me where "the club" has got anything right this season then?

 

One win at home!!

 

"Lovely" ineffective football!!

 

Erm??

They have so far avoided administration. That is more important than most things.

[benjii]

They have so far avoided administration. That is more important than most things.

 

Is it really though?

 

What is the point in having an entity that exists solely to continue to exist?

 

Things can never improve with the current set-up.

 

Frankly I reckon we'd have finished higher this year with a 10 point penalty and a better manager.

 

We would only have to have beaten 3 of Blackpool, Barnsley, Bristol City, Watford, Sheff Wednesday at home to be in roughly the same position as we are now.

[SW5 SAINT]

They have so far avoided administration. That is more important than most things.

 

This is now how you measure achievement!!!!

[krissyboy31]

Is it really though?

 

What is the point in having an entity that exists solely to continue to exist?

 

Things can never improve with the current set-up.

 

Frankly I reckon we'd have finished higher this year with a 10 point penalty and a better manager.

 

We would only have to have beaten 3 of Blackpool, Barnsley, Bristol City, Watford, Sheff Wednesday at home to be in roughly the same position as we are now.

 

I have to agree! The thing is if we are relegated, administration is all but inevitable.

[OldNick]

Is it really though?

 

What is the point in having an entity that exists solely to continue to exist?

 

Things can never improve with the current set-up.

 

Frankly I reckon we'd have finished higher this year with a 10 point penalty and a better manager.

 

We would only have to have beaten 3 of Blackpool, Barnsley, Bristol City, Watford, Sheff Wednesday at home to be in roughly the same position as we are now.

All good in theory but that would be with a side without any saleable asset.

Do you really believe our club that is so fragile could take the lss of 10 points and move on.I dont believe so and will state that if we do you will see us go down into L2.

[OldNick]

This is now how you measure achievement!!!!

In our present situation Yes.The club was being run on a reckless road to financial ruin. look at our losses month on month. we had to rectify that before then trying to build again.

Whoever is in charge has to take strong measures.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

They have so far avoided administration. That is more important than most things.

 

Yep so far but

 

When the inevitable relegation is confirmed it will happen anyway.

 

How low will the crowds go in league one?

 

How many season tickets will get renewed?

 

What some, including Lowe and Wilde fail to realise it would seem, that

we MUST stay in this league if we are to have any chance of avoiding

administration.

 

Let me spell it out one more time...

 

We will get more people buying season tickets and coming to watch

in the CCC than we will in League one therefore will have more income.

 

It is the job of the board to convince

the holders of the purse strings of this.

[ulstersaint]

In our present situation Yes.The club was being run on a reckless road to financial ruin. look at our losses month on month. we had to rectify that before then trying to build again.

Whoever is in charge has to take strong measures.

 

Nigel Pearson was taking strong measures and turned things around for the relegation run-in at the end of last season. Even working with Lowe's new strategy (youth players with a few experienced loan signings) Pearson would have done a much better job this season than JP.

 

Pearson's loans at the end of last season kept us up and he would not have wasted our scant resources on wages for rubbish like Gasmi, Pulis, Robinson, Peckart, Smith, Forecast etc.

 

His record with Saints last season and with Leicester this term makes him far superior to JP - but of course he was not Lowe's man so had to go!

[LostBoys]

Almost a certainty that they will now stay up which was the reason their Chairman gave for sacking the previous manager as they cannot now afford to drop back to Division 1.

 

I do not know why Lowe cannot see this but with the Pearce and Cork loan bad news which must relate to our position it is dificult to see that we can either stay up or avoid administration in whatever order

 

Happy new year Saints fans please tell me what we did wrong to deserve this.

[dubai_phil]

Billy Davies has been appointed manager at Forest. IMO they will now stay up.

That leaves Saints in an awful position as i cant see any other club we can overtake.

It was a mistake not to go for him. His desire and will to win will be a big factor.

I know many dislike him, but he is one of those that if he is on your side you love him if he is against you he really winds you up.

Jan seems a nice man but I cant see him turning us into winners.

 

 

Before the thread fell into the old admin relegation issue, you raised a point about Davies and Forest.

 

Don't be so sure....

 

Forest fans have two really big issues with his appointment, firstly he managed the hated Derby, and secondly, Forest have a footballing culture which like us is alien to "hoofball"

 

It may actually have hastened their demise unless he gets them playing football really quickly

 

Good Blog on the Telegraph about it.

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/mikenorrish/blog/2008/12/31/billy_davies_already_fighting_on_two_fronts_at_nottingham_forest

[OldNick]

Before the thread fell into the old admin relegation issue, you raised a point about Davies and Forest.

 

Don't be so sure....

 

Forest fans have two really big issues with his appointment, firstly he managed the hated Derby, and secondly, Forest have a footballing culture which like us is alien to "hoofball"

 

It may actually have hastened their demise unless he gets them playing football really quickly

 

Good Blog on the Telegraph about it.

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/mikenorrish/blog/2008/12/31/billy_davies_already_fighting_on_two_fronts_at_nottingham_forest

A factor I hadnt thought of. If he starts winning then perhaps people wii have a change of heart.

[OldNick]

Nigel Pearson was taking strong measures and turned things around for the relegation run-in at the end of last season. Even working with Lowe's new strategy (youth players with a few experienced loan signings) Pearson would have done a much better job this season than JP.

 

Pearson's loans at the end of last season kept us up and he would not have wasted our scant resources on wages for rubbish like Gasmi, Pulis, Robinson, Peckart, Smith, Forecast etc.

 

His record with Saints last season and with Leicester this term makes him far superior to JP - but of course he was not Lowe's man so had to go!

All guess work.NP was able to bring in 3 experienced loan players.I really dont think we could have brought in someone with RW's wages now.

[SaintRobbie]

Billy Davies has been appointed manager at Forest. IMO they will now stay up.

That leaves Saints in an awful position as i cant see any other club we can overtake.

It was a mistake not to go for him. His desire and will to win will be a big factor.

I know many dislike him, but he is one of those that if he is on your side you love him if he is against you he really winds you up.

Jan seems a nice man but I cant see him turning us into winners.

 

Agree 100%.

 

Add the Donnie train picture in the boardroom - sitting high above our decision-makers (arguably the best unintential psychological win of any relegation bound side in living history) and mentally we've also another battle.

 

Joke isnt it... we remove our one winning picture and replace it with a train sitting proud above our decision makers from our nearest relegation rival.

 

JOKE. Our boardroom have given up.

[OldNick]

Yep so far but

 

When the inevitable relegation is confirmed it will happen anyway.

 

How low will the crowds go in league one?

 

How many season tickets will get renewed?

 

What some, including Lowe and Wilde fail to realise it would seem, that

we MUST stay in this league if we are to have any chance of avoiding

administration.

 

Let me spell it out one more time...

 

We will get more people buying season tickets and coming to watch

in the CCC than we will in League one therefore will have more income.

 

It is the job of the board to convince

the holders of the purse strings of this.

That is all obvious. The last lot let the losses mount up to 100's a week and yes we stayed up by the skin of our teeth.We need to stabilise our finances and then try and get stronger. I have always said this season is about staying up. I myself believe we could do so with the young players as long as the manager was cute enough tactically. RL has got to act fairly soon unless results turn very quickly.

[OldNick]

Agree 100%.

 

Add the Donnie train picture in the boardroom - sitting high above our decision-makers (arguably the best unintential psychological win of any relegation bound side in living history) and mentally we've also another battle.

 

Joke isnt it... we remove our one winning picture and replace it with a train sitting proud above our decision makers from our nearest relegation rival.

 

JOKE. Our boardroom have given up.

Robbie training does not take place in the boardroom (trainspotting perhaps)

[Under Weststand]

A factor I hadnt thought of. If he starts winning then perhaps people will have a change of heart.

Agree with your first post Nick I always thought HCDAJFU, and if BD wins his first 4 games they will be chanting his name from the Stands. But if they have a dodgy start then it could work in our favour. Lets hope for the second.

[Mole]

We've got a gutless yes man as manager because this is exactly what Lowe wants of a manager working under him.

 

Someone like Billy Davies would never work under Lowe in a million years.

[krissyboy31]

That is all obvious. The last lot let the losses mount up to 100's a week and yes we stayed up by the skin of our teeth.We need to stabilise our finances and then try and get stronger. I have always said this season is about staying up. I myself believe we could do so with the young players as long as the manager was cute enough tactically. RL has got to act fairly soon unless results turn very quickly.

 

 

I think most of us agree with this but I am not convinced that the people who run the club think the same way.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

That is all obvious. The last lot let the losses mount up to 100's a week and yes we stayed up by the skin of our teeth.We need to stabilise our finances and then try and get stronger. I have always said this season is about staying up. I myself believe we could do so with the young players as long as the manager was cute enough tactically. RL has got to act fairly soon unless results turn very quickly.

 

Not quickly but immediatley to sack the whole dutch crew.

[swannymere]

So we appoint a manager like Billy Davies, we MIGHT then get promoted (god help the poor soul if they don't do it in their first season), then what? We all know that if you don't play passing football you're almost certain to be relegated, so what have you actually achieved long term? Nothing, we'll just stay in the continual cycle of hoof manager for 2 seasons, sacking of said manager if we don't get promoted. Or..... We can choose to break the cycle and put in place a new system, it'll take a while to stick but making the assumption that once your outside the premiership it does'nt really matter which division you're in!! I'll be the first to admit that it's not exactly going to plan ATM but their have been signs of a gradual improvement with a lack of cutting edge finishing being the main problem. Personally i'd take the relegation in the short term if it means stability for the club over the next 10 years.

[teamsaint]

I have to agree! The thing is if we are relegated, administration is all but inevitable.

I stongly suspect that Lowe has been budgeting for L1 footy since he came back.

He also knows that administration would be a disaster, and that he could very easily lose control.

At present I expect to see us in L1 but breaking even (or close to it) next season.

[The Tango Man]

Billy Davies has been appointed manager at Forest. IMO they will now stay up.

That leaves Saints in an awful position as i cant see any other club we can overtake.

It was a mistake not to go for him. His desire and will to win will be a big factor.

I know many dislike him, but he is one of those that if he is on your side you love him if he is against you he really winds you up.

Jan seems a nice man but I cant see him turning us into winners.

 

At least Billy Davies has some balls , and is not a yes man..plus the side he puts out each week reflect that..passion , guts , committment and big b******s...

I would have taken him as our manager.

[benjii]

Before the thread fell into the old admin relegation issue, you raised a point about Davies and Forest.

 

Don't be so sure....

 

Forest fans have two really big issues with his appointment, firstly he managed the hated Derby, and secondly, Forest have a footballing culture which like us is alien to "hoofball"

 

It may actually have hastened their demise unless he gets them playing football really quickly

 

Good Blog on the Telegraph about it.

 

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/mikenorrish/blog/2008/12/31/billy_davies_already_fighting_on_two_fronts_at_nottingham_forest

 

 

I watched Forest in League 1 a few times as I was living there at the time. They, like everyone else, played "hoofball". I can't see them being that bothered if they stay up.

[OldNick]

So we appoint a manager like Billy Davies, we MIGHT then get promoted (god help the poor soul if they don't do it in their first season), then what? We all know that if you don't play passing football you're almost certain to be relegated, so what have you actually achieved long term? Nothing, we'll just stay in the continual cycle of hoof manager for 2 seasons, sacking of said manager if we don't get promoted. Or..... We can choose to break the cycle and put in place a new system, it'll take a while to stick but making the assumption that once your outside the premiership it does'nt really matter which division you're in!! I'll be the first to admit that it's not exactly going to plan ATM but their have been signs of a gradual improvement with a lack of cutting edge finishing being the main problem. Personally i'd take the relegation in the short term if it means stability for the club over the next 10 years.

Swanny, I can see the sense in what you say. I have become dissenchanted with Jan's decision making and am fully behind the young getting their chance butJan has made some bad decisions that we cannot afford. The for ever changing manager is not good but on this occasion he is not savvy enough.

[Under Weststand]

That is all obvious. The last lot let the losses mount up to 100's a week and yes we stayed up by the skin of our teeth.We need to stabilise our finances and then try and get stronger. I have always said this season is about staying up. I myself believe we could do so with the young players as long as the manager was cute enough tactically. RL has got to act fairly soon unless results turn very quickly.

Again I agree to a point but to stabilize the finances he has to get punters through the turnstiles. He has to give the supporters(customers) something to believe in. Whilst the majority at the start of the season expected this position we are in, I for one had hoped that we would be showing some sign's that we were improving. but the last 2- months Reading aside we've been going backwards. The next 3 months will also be vital for season ticket sales next year. So for me it all goes hand in hand, stabilize finances means stabilizing the performances on the pitch & giving some hope for the future. Do that then we as supporters may buy into it continue as a rudderless ship foundering on the rocks & continue to sell the better bits of the ship off & people lose faith & abandon that ship.

How he does it I've no idea I really wish I did.

[benjii]

So we appoint a manager like Billy Davies, we MIGHT then get promoted (god help the poor soul if they don't do it in their first season), then what? We all know that if you don't play passing football you're almost certain to be relegated, so what have you actually achieved long term? Nothing, we'll just stay in the continual cycle of hoof manager for 2 seasons, sacking of said manager if we don't get promoted. Or..... We can choose to break the cycle and put in place a new system, it'll take a while to stick but making the assumption that once your outside the premiership it does'nt really matter which division you're in!! I'll be the first to admit that it's not exactly going to plan ATM but their have been signs of a gradual improvement with a lack of cutting edge finishing being the main problem. Personally i'd take the relegation in the short term if it means stability for the club over the next 10 years.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

[OldNick]

Again I agree to a point but to stabilize the finances he has to get punters through the turnstiles. He has to give the supporters(customers) something to believe in. Whilst the majority at the start of the season expected this position we are in, I for one had hoped that we would be showing some sign's that we were improving. but the last 2- months Reading aside we've been going backwards. The next 3 months will also be vital for season ticket sales next year. So for me it all goes hand in hand, stabilize finances means stabilizing the performances on the pitch & giving some hope for the future. Do that then we as supporters may buy into it continue as a rudderless ship foundering on the rocks & continue to sell the better bits of the ship off & people lose faith & abandon that ship.

How he does it I've no idea I really wish I did.

I feel the same way, Jan until the Reading game seemed to have lost the faith of many of the players.

[Saint Fan CaM]

It would take a very brave man to bet on us not being relegated this season. I think Lowe started shaping the club for L1 some months ago. Its a disgrace and come the end of the season I will withdraw my support completely - its the only way left to effect change.

[West End Saint]

I think you may be right I can see Forest spending a bit of money and pulling clear of trouble I hate the short assed git Billy Davies but he has got the knack for this division if the Forest board back him this month i can see them staying up after years in the wilderness they are going to spend to stay up they wont to go backwards and are a big club with prem ambition.

 

If we had of beat them and been 7 points clear of trouble I dont think they would have caught us but now I think we will go down and they will stay up what a let down that game was I hope I am wrong but I think its league 1 here we come

[derry]

I stongly suspect that Lowe has been budgeting for L1 footy since he came back.

He also knows that administration would be a disaster, and that he could very easily lose control.

At present I expect to see us in L1 but breaking even (or close to it) next season.

 

 

Costs would go down, income would probably rise if we won a few at home, wages would not be an issue and we would be better placed than now. I am sure his arrogant assumption, never being wrong is, that we would then win back to back promotions.