alpine_saint Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10453 Am I the only one worried about some of his comments ? Firstly, it looks like we will be stuck with limited striker substitution options if we always have to have an extra defender on the bench to account for Killer. Considering he only plays one-up-front, this sounds suicidal to me. Secondly, he seems to have no grasp on the Andrew Davies situation Finally, is it wise to make these odd comments about Dyer and BWP in public ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 Alpine in pointless negative post non-shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 Please leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2008 Alpine in pointless negative post non-shock. Dont have to read it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 I presume this thread is about cake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10453 Am I the only one worried about some of his comments ? Firstly, it looks like we will be stuck with limited striker substitution options if we always have to have an extra defender on the bench to account for Killer. Considering he only plays one-up-front, this sounds suicidal to me. Secondly, he seems to have no grasp on the Andrew Davies situation Finally, is it wise to make these odd comments about Dyer and BWP in public ? Poortvillet OUT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 People only having a dig because it's Alpine that posted the thread.. FWIW I agree... we need a striker on the bench and having an extra defender on the bench for Killer is a waste, if thats the case why sell Davies and not try harder to flog Skacel/Euell. It's slightly worrying that Poortvliet doesn't even know if a player is talking to another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 (edited) People only having a dig because it's Alpine that posted the thread.. FWIW I agree... we need a striker on the bench and having an extra defender on the bench for Killer is a waste, if thats the case why sell Davies and not try harder to flog Skacel/Euell. It's slightly worrying that Poortvliet doesn't even know if a player is talking to another club. A agree with him too. The reason Poortvliet knows nothing about Davies is because he has no control and he is selecting the players he is told too. Edited 16 August, 2008 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 People only having a dig because it's Alpine that posted the thread.. FWIW I agree... we need a striker on the bench and having an extra defender on the bench for Killer is a waste, if thats the case why sell Davies and not try harder to flog Skacel/Euell. It's slightly worrying that Poortvliet doesn't even know if a player is talking to another club. Like I said on another thread, the club is tinpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 A agree with him too. The reason Poortvliet knows nothing about Davies is because he has no control and he is selecting the players he is told too. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2008 A agree with him too. The reason Poortvliet knows nothing about Davies is because he has no control he is selecting the players he is told too. I was also quite concerned that he doesnt seem to have gone out of his way to find out about Davies, despite him being injured. I suspect Davies is another player ring-fenced for sale, so he's been told he doesnt need to look at him, and the club have simply kept this one quieter knowing he would generate more interest than the likes of Skacel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 A agree with him too. The reason Poortvliet knows nothing about Davies is because he has no control and he is selecting the players he is told too. What an idiotic statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2008 What an idiotic statement. No its not. If he has been told he cannot select certain players, he has been told which he can by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 What an idiotic statement.I 2nd that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 What an idiotic statement. It`s an opinion and probably not just mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 No its not. If he has been told he cannot select certain players, he has been told which he can by default. Same old story here if they don`t agree, it must be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 What an idiotic statement. Inside information? don't think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2008 Same old story here if they don`t agree, it must be wrong. Yep, pity they arent so confident about our "BS" that they actually address the three points I made.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 Yep, pity they arent so confident about our "BS" that they actually address the three points I made.. someone say 3 points? yipeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10453 Am I the only one worried about some of his comments ? Firstly, it looks like we will be stuck with limited striker substitution options if we always have to have an extra defender on the bench to account for Killer. Considering he only plays one-up-front, this sounds suicidal to me. Secondly, he seems to have no grasp on the Andrew Davies situation Finally, is it wise to make these odd comments about Dyer and BWP in public ? I agree, it does show a lack of savvy. I fear that this man is in over his head. An inexperienced manager at this level, with inexperienced players is a recipe for relegation (I sincerely hope that I am wrong). Our bench today looked far to lightweight and it now appears that the manager knew this but was powerless to do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 I agree, it does show a lack of savvy. I fear that this man is in over his head. An inexperienced manager at this level, with inexperienced players is a recipe for relegation (I sincerely hope that I am wrong). Our bench today looked far to lightweight and it now appears that the manager knew this but was powerless to do anything about it. I fear that Mr Poortvillet has been bought in as some sort of whipping boy, (In no way am I saying that he has been bought in to deflect attention from Messers R. Lowe & M Wilde) 8-[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 He is working within a remit given to him by Lowe,and within that remit will probably be,Lowe "sorry Jan we are in the shi7e financially i will let you know your'e squad that you can choose from 24 hrs prior to the next game" His reply "Yesh mister lowe" I truly believe JP is as much in the dark to who is staying and who is going as we are ref takeovers.all IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 Why is anyone surprised that JP knows nothing about which players are moving. Remember... we are moving away from 'Gaffer' culture. This means a move away from the 'English' way of the manager knowing what is going on with his playing staff, towards a continental approach whereby the Head Coach is given a pool of players and these are ususally chosen for him. some would say this is a good way so the clubs finances are in order first and foremost, some would say it's a means for the President (Lowe and Wilde) to have more input into football matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10453 Am I the only one worried about some of his comments ? Firstly, it looks like we will be stuck with limited striker substitution options if we always have to have an extra defender on the bench to account for Killer. Considering he only plays one-up-front, this sounds suicidal to me. Secondly, he seems to have no grasp on the Andrew Davies situation Finally, is it wise to make these odd comments about Dyer and BWP in public ? Very good post , exactly echoing my thoughts upon reading the same Portvliet comments, He comes across as not having his finger completely on the pulse at at sfc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 I don't understand why this is a surprise to some people. It's been obvious since Poortvliet's arrival that we'd be employing a more continental structure so Jan has less say about the players that a traditional English Manager. Personally I'm nto so keen on that aspect of it, but lets not pretend it's a surprise. Jan's only fault IMO is that he is perhaps a bt too honest about what he knows or otherwise... other managers would've given a more political answer, but Jan seems to be completely honest. His role is to concentrate on coaching the first team, so other aspects are not within his remit. Only other comment I'd make is that the 'one up front' comment is misleading and the way it is played very much sees the wide front men join up with the striker when the ball is ciming in from the opposite flank or through the middle... bearing in mind the chances that Holmes, Gillett, McGoldrick, Lallana and Schneiderlin had today, not to mention Holmes' goal on Tuesday, I'd have thought that the movement and desire for others to get into the box to support the front man was obvious (mainly first half I admit, but still, it's there for all to see). Of course it needs developing further, but to suggest we 'only' have one upfront is misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 I don't understand why this is a surprise to some people. It's been obvious since Poortvliet's arrival that we'd be employing a more continental structure so Jan has less say about the players that a traditional English Manager. Personally I'm nto so keen on that aspect of it, but lets not pretend it's a surprise. Jan's only fault IMO is that he is perhaps a bt too honest about what he knows or otherwise... other managers would've given a more political answer, but Jan seems to be completely honest. His role is to concentrate on coaching the first team, so other aspects are not within his remit. Only other comment I'd make is that the 'one up front' comment is misleading and the way it is played very much sees the wide front men join up with the striker when the ball is ciming in from the opposite flank or through the middle... bearing in mind the chances that Holmes, Gillett, McGoldrick, Lallana and Schneiderlin had today, not to mention Holmes' goal on Tuesday, I'd have thought that the movement and desire for others to get into the box to support the front man was obvious (mainly first half I admit, but still, it's there for all to see). Of course it needs developing further, but to suggest we 'only' have one upfront is misleading. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchi Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 16 August, 2008 Share Posted 16 August, 2008 We do need another forward. i would suggest Matt Tubbs from salisbury, yes he is unproven but fook me get him inside the penalty box and he will finish for you. showed his ability against forrest and in both games ran them ragged. would be cheap and i think well worth a punt. can play out wide aswell if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 i think alpines actually got a point. reading portvliets post match comments made me scared ****less. I will be so ****ed off if they sneak andrew davies out the back door, he is EXACTLY the sort of player we need on the pitch at the moment. 2-1 sounds like it could become a common score for us this season, if we can't keep control of our few strong players. I wasn't a big fan of rasiak, but for the manager to make those comments about a lack of strikers 2 BLOODY DAYS AFTER HE GOES ON LOAN is retarded. simple as that. I'm already fed up of getting up at 7 in the morning hung over to listen to saints lose, and the season is only a week old! i'm off for a pint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 No its not. If he has been told he cannot select certain players, he has been told which he can by default. Please tell me which certain players he has been told he cannot select. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Same old story here if they don`t agree, it must be wrong. Same old story here, if you don't like my reply I must be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Please tell me which certain players he has been told he cannot select. It's so obvious, I am not even going to bother. Your tactic has been worn threadbare - you contribute less and less to the discussion on here every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 People only having a dig because it's Alpine that posted the thread.. FWIW I agree... we need a striker on the bench and having an extra defender on the bench for Killer is a waste, if thats the case why sell Davies and not try harder to flog Skacel/Euell. It's slightly worrying that Poortvliet doesn't even know if a player is talking to another club. Like you said, when things went a bit tits up you looked at the subs and thought "who the hell can he bring on to get us back in it"? I don't think AlpineSaint's points were anything but realistic and true. Same goes for JP not knowing about the potential transfer of one of our best players. I don't see how his is "negative" thinking just genuinely worrying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 It's so obvious, I am not even going to bother. Your tactic has been worn threadbare - you contribute less and less to the discussion on here every day. If it's so obvious please post a link, if you are so sure you won't have a problem doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 What an idiotic statement. Because you disagree right? Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 im afraid that finances comes first and the football second,it not nice but we have to take our medicine,you all knew it was coming so why the surprise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2008 im afraid that finances comes first and the football second,it not nice but we have to take our medicine,you all knew it was coming so why the surprise? A lingering painful death as opposed to a blaze of glory, right ? Well, when my time comes, I'd want it to be quick, for my sake and my loved ones........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 (edited) A lingering painful death as opposed to a blaze of glory, right ? Well, when my time comes, I'd want it to be quick, for my sake and my loved ones........ 'DO NOT RESUSCITATE' tattooed on your forehead would do the trick then. on another thread somebody was talking about advertising in the closed corners, perhaps we could just put 'do not resuscitate' in large letters instead. chin up only another 9 months to go. Edited 17 August, 2008 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10453 Am I the only one worried about some of his comments ? Firstly, it looks like we will be stuck with limited striker substitution options if we always have to have an extra defender on the bench to account for Killer. Considering he only plays one-up-front, this sounds suicidal to me. Secondly, he seems to have no grasp on the Andrew Davies situation Finally, is it wise to make these odd comments about Dyer and BWP in public ? There's no suggestion in the first comment that this will always be the case; it's just that Killer had played his first proper competitive game in years at Cardiff, and they wanted to be sure that there was adequate cover for him. Other than that, Poortvliet's being open and honest - I'm not sure I feel totally happy about the Dyer and BWP comments either though. As to Davies, he might have done better to simply say 'no comment', but then that would have been interpreted in any manner of ways. And the system of Poortvliet having little, if any, say in which players are at the club is rather what I'd have expected - and quite possibly pretty much the way in which he himself is used to working. I wouldn't say that this equates to having somebody else actually picking the team, as some have implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 i dont think it is a case os somebody else picking the team,it is a case of 'these are the players who are staying and these are the players who are possibly for sale' again dictated by our financial needs rather than the footballing needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 The thing that concerned me yesterday was that JP did not seem very animated on the touchline. During the pre-season friendlies he was. Reading his rather downbeat comments, coupled with the "Surman to Reading" rumours this morning may go some way to explaining his body language yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Although I share the concerns mentioned in the opening thread I will at least applaud JP's honesty - it is refreshing to hear a manager, sorry head coach, tell things as they are. But Svensson's knee is even more important now Davies looks like he is going and just what is wrong with Dyer and BWP. We are tetering on the edge of a precipice no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 We had Wotton and Lancashire on the bench, just one would have been enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2008 The thing that concerned me yesterday was that JP did not seem very animated on the touchline. During the pre-season friendlies he was. Reading his rather downbeat comments, coupled with the "Surman to Reading" rumours this morning may go some way to explaining his body language yesterday. This is extremely worrying. If it is connected, then this would suggest that JP has to give up on even more players than was initialy agreed by Lowe. If (and I repeat for my detractors, if) this is the case, JP probably needs to be looking for a new position. The last thing this club needs is to drag itself through ANOTHER season with a disinterested and demotivated manager, and he aint likely to get the Dutch job over Van Basten, is he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 100% complete ******** It`s my opinion based on what is happening so unless you have something to offer by way of a different view let`s hear it. Or do you not have an opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 A agree with him too. The reason Poortvliet knows nothing about Davies is because he has no control and he is selecting the players he is told too. Agree, We have to remember JP is a HEAD COACH not a Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Agree, We have to remember JP is a HEAD COACH not a Manager. Semantics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10453 Am I the only one worried about some of his comments ? Firstly, it looks like we will be stuck with limited striker substitution options if we always have to have an extra defender on the bench to account for Killer. Considering he only plays one-up-front, this sounds suicidal to me. Secondly, he seems to have no grasp on the Andrew Davies situation Finally, is it wise to make these odd comments about Dyer and BWP in public ? JP has clarified the Andrew Davies Situation on the OS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 This is extremely worrying. If it is connected, then this would suggest that JP has to give up on even more players than was initialy agreed by Lowe. If (and I repeat for my detractors, if) this is the case, JP probably needs to be looking for a new position. The last thing this club needs is to drag itself through ANOTHER season with a disinterested and demotivated manager, and he aint likely to get the Dutch job over Van Basten, is he ? Sometime you make some good, interesting points. Most times you simply make negative, mischevious 'headlines'. Are you a fan or a critic of SFC? Fans can see both good and bad, you appear to only see bad - yet have no solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 This is extremely worrying. If it is connected, then this would suggest that JP has to give up on even more players than was initialy agreed by Lowe. If (and I repeat for my detractors, if) this is the case, JP probably needs to be looking for a new position. The last thing this club needs is to drag itself through ANOTHER season with a disinterested and demotivated manager, and he aint likely to get the Dutch job over Van Basten, is he ? What a load of completely fabricated made-up twaddle. Perhaps we should all just make stuff up and then pretend we are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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