Rasmus Ankersen

[Turkish]

7 hours ago, coalman said:

Or he came to Southampton with a chip on his shoulder that he didn't get the credit he deserved or because they weren't listening to his ideas.

and now we all know why!

He was hailed as a genius, seriously impressive etc when he came here. Brentford seemed gutted he left. He has been nothing short of a disaster for us. So just what has gone wrong?

[benjii]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

and now we all know why!

He was hailed as a genius, seriously impressive etc when he came here. Brentford seemed gutted he left. He has been nothing short of a disaster for us. So just what has gone wrong?

Maybe there was an element of luck at Brentford. Maybe an element of bad luck here.

There are so, SOOO, many variables that it is retarded to think that he found some top strategy that was a differentiator. People make this mistake all the time in life, business, etc.  "Well, this worked, so it must be a good plan" is not sound logic at an individual level in complex systems with huge, unmanageable variables.

People make the same mistake when they look at billionaires and say, "what 'x' did must be a recipe for success". Doubt it, mate!

'x' is probably a developmentally stunted, weirdo who had an almost pathological obsession with something and pursued it in ways which were quite destructive. For every successful 'x' there are 99 utter losers. If anything, it's likely a recipe for failure, not success.

In summary, he's not as clever as he thinks he is.

[coalman]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

and now we all know why!

He was hailed as a genius, seriously impressive etc when he came here. Brentford seemed gutted he left. He has been nothing short of a disaster for us. So just what has gone wrong?

The trouble with self proclaimed geniuses is their "genius" doesn't leave space for other people to be brilliant. Which is great until they get to a position of authority.

[Gloucester Saint]

8 hours ago, coalman said:

Or he came to Southampton with a chip on his shoulder that he didn't get the credit he deserved or because they weren't listening to his ideas.

More likely that Phil Giles was willing to/capable of putting in the detailed planning and organisation to allow strategy to be operationalised and hence not every idea would have been implementable or been effective within Brentford’s operating environment. 

[Doctoroncall]

8 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Having spent over 20 years in Product Management, this quote winds me up something chronic every time it appears. I would love to sit down with this guy and argue this point.

If it works, why are you breaking it? What problem are you trying to solve? How are you making someone's life better and crucially, how are you maximising revenue?

But what winds me up even more is HOW THE FK DOES THIS APPLY TO FOOTBALL? You have one objective, win, get 3 points. If you don't win, you look at why, how can you solve the problem of not winning? In our case it's glaring fking obvious ... buy a defence, get a goalie, don't play 5 at the back at home, have a midfield etc etc. 

There is always a problem to solve. I want to score more, I want to concede fewer goals, I want to get 3 points, I want more paying customers to turn up. Don't break anything, solve the problems.

ARGH!

Ted talk over. 

The trouble is they have created a huge set of problems. The complete change in backroom staff has not helped, the summer ‘overhaul’ of players has not helped as those in charge have been focus on resale rather than team dynamics.
 

Time to rebuild the squad and as many understand, fix the spine of the team and it becomes an easier task from there. Decent calibre players who are going to last more than a couple of seasons. The other positions can be for the flair players likely to piss off sooner. 
 

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Having spent over 20 years in Product Management, this quote winds me up something chronic every time it appears. I would love to sit down with this guy and argue this point.

If it works, why are you breaking it? What problem are you trying to solve? How are you making someone's life better and crucially, how are you maximising revenue?

But what winds me up even more is HOW THE FK DOES THIS APPLY TO FOOTBALL? You have one objective, win, get 3 points. If you don't win, you look at why, how can you solve the problem of not winning? In our case it's glaring fking obvious ... buy a defence, get a goalie, don't play 5 at the back at home, have a midfield etc etc. 

There is always a problem to solve. I want to score more, I want to concede fewer goals, I want to get 3 points, I want more paying customers to turn up. Don't break anything, solve the problems.

ARGH!

Ted talk over. 

That quote is even more stupid than it appears. If you follow that principle then it will permanently be broken.

Oh.

[saintant]

15 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

A classic example of backpfeifengesicht if ever I saw one.

Mr Gormless

[saintant]

Phil Giles was the brains behind Brentford. Ankersen was his tea boy.

[tdmickey3]

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FUCK OFF

[Zorba]

3 hours ago, saintant said:

Phil Giles was the brains behind Brentford. Ankersen was his tea boy.

With Matt Benham as owner who made his brass in sports gambling and analytics, and who also had Midtjylland in his portfolio punching well above their weight. Rasmus seems more like a passenger than a driving force in that set-up.  Just a marketing frontman that is full of shite.

Edited Monday at 13:52 by Zorba

[macca155]

Brentford like Brighton, and possibly Bournemouth, have the balls to sell a top player, and rely on their ability to recruit another. It's the only model that works for smaller clubs.

In fairness Saints have done that part reasonably well. Some healthy profits on players.

However they've kept huge gaps/weaknesses on the pitch. Mainly in defence, and the coaching staff have been terrible.

Classic house of cards.

[S-Clarke]

11 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Brentford like Brighton, and possibly Bournemouth, have the balls to sell a top player, and rely on their ability to recruit another. It's the only model that works for smaller clubs.

In fairness Saints have done that part reasonably well. Some healthy profits on players.

However they've kept huge gaps/weaknesses on the pitch. Mainly in defence, and the coaching staff have been terrible.

Classic house of cards.

It's a bit of a tightrope though, it only takes 1 or 2 faltering transfer windows to throw that entire chain down the pan, and transform a relatively stable club into one struggling to keep afloat. It's not sustainable, in the PL at least, to solely rely on a model where your recruitment can only happen when you sell for big - as we found out, that strangled us for years.

Bournemouth are hitting a funny period right now. They sold for huge money in the summer, lost their DoF and their big buys from the summer haven't really cut it - and they're down in 15th with their manager probably off in the summer. 

There's nothing wrong with signing low and selling big, but it can't be your entire strategy for long-term success as it's not sustainable. There needs to be other elements of income.

Brentford are probably a good example to use - they don't sell stacks of players, but they do invest well when required.

[saint michael]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

and now we all know why!

He was hailed as a genius, seriously impressive etc when he came here. Brentford seemed gutted he left. He has been nothing short of a disaster for us. So just what has gone wrong?

I think he has more of a free reign here and of course when free to do anything he likes his super hero qualities are not quite what they need to be or what was expected. Seems to be right up Solak so not sure how this gets resolved. 

Edited Monday at 12:32 by saint michael

[S-Clarke]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

and now we all know why!

He was hailed as a genius, seriously impressive etc when he came here. Brentford seemed gutted he left. He has been nothing short of a disaster for us. So just what has gone wrong?

I think the difference at Brentford is that he had Giles and Benham, and their scouts, offering the stable-footballing experience around the table. Probably pushing back on his nonsense, but also taking some of it and refining around actual real life football facts.

Here...it's him with that 'football experience'. Sloak hasn't got a clue about running a football club, Kraft didn't have a clue. Parsons came from Dyson. It's a vacuum of footballing leadership, which has allowed Rasmus to assume responsibility as the only 'footballing' adult in the room, with no one to truly push back on his ideas in a football context. 

The damage has been done long before Spors or Wilcox, it started as soon as they got hold of us in their first two transfer windows.

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Parsons came from Dyson. It's a vacuum of footballing leadership

This pun sucks.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, macca155 said:

Brentford like Brighton, and possibly Bournemouth, have the balls to sell a top player, and rely on their ability to recruit another. It's the only model that works for smaller clubs.

In fairness Saints have done that part reasonably well. Some healthy profits on players.

However they've kept huge gaps/weaknesses on the pitch. Mainly in defence, and the coaching staff have been terrible.

Classic house of cards.

This is where it all falls apart for us.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

It's a bit of a tightrope though, it only takes 1 or 2 faltering transfer windows to throw that entire chain down the pan, and transform a relatively stable club into one struggling to keep afloat. It's not sustainable, in the PL at least, to solely rely on a model where your recruitment can only happen when you sell for big - as we found out, that strangled us for years.

Bournemouth are hitting a funny period right now. They sold for huge money in the summer, lost their DoF and their big buys from the summer haven't really cut it - and they're down in 15th with their manager probably off in the summer. 

There's nothing wrong with signing low and selling big, but it can't be your entire strategy for long-term success as it's not sustainable. There needs to be other elements of income.

Brentford are probably a good example to use - they don't sell stacks of players, but they do invest well when required.

Yes, i remember the proud boast that he was personally taking charge of recruitment in the January window 2023, he failed to sign anyone decent and we ended up with TP and Sulemana, a true car crash.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Yes, i remember the proud boast that he was personally taking charge of recruitment in the January window 2023, he failed to sign anyone decent and we ended up with TP and Sulemana, a true car crash.

Don't forget Orsic, signing of the century right there.

He really dug a hole for himself when he openly said that, or it was fed to the media via the club anyway. I'm sure in himself he still believes that window was a success in some bizarre confused way.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Don't forget Orsic, signing of the century right there.

He really dug a hole for himself when he openly said that, or it was fed to the media via the club anyway. I'm sure in himself he still believes that window was a success in some bizarre confused way.

TBF i can forgive Orsic, he at least had some pedigree, was a Croatia international and had played and scored for them in the world cup where they'd come third, plus i think he played in the champions league and he was relatively cheap, 6m i think. Those two though club record fees for players that were just absolute shit and you could see as soon as they played they were miles off the level needed.

[Doctoroncall]

43 minutes ago, Turkish said:

TBF i can forgive Orsic, he at least had some pedigree, was a Croatia international and had played and scored for them in the world cup where they'd come third, plus i think he played in the champions league and he was relatively cheap, 6m i think. Those two though club record fees for players that were just absolute shit and you could see as soon as they played they were miles off the level needed.

I think there were warning signs around a previous transfer and there was a hot streak of form when Orsic was played in a certain position. But of course the ‘data’ probably doesn’t show this. 

[SW5 SAINT]

Perhaps he’ll be conscripted into the Danish Army….!

I’m sure the advice ‘if it isn’t broken consider breaking it’ will go down very well there……!

Edited 14 hours ago by SW5 SAINT
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[tdmickey3]

10 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

Perhaps he’ll be conscripted into the Danish Army….!

Probably talk his way in to making the strategy...... that will be them fucked

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Probably talk his way in to making the strategy...... that will be them fucked

Concede ground (literally), shirk responsibility, hide in the shadows.