What Is Happening To Our Country?

[inspectorfrost]

8 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Protestors all took the knee and asked the Police to do the same for Henry Novak as they did for George Floyd

The police refused. 

Surely even the naive Labour voters can see why huge swathes of the country are annoyed at the double standards? 

 

And this is a very good illustration of the problem. The police should be treating everyone equally, regardless of colour or creed.

The Henry Nowak case is the product of years of excessive governmental political interference into the police force, sorry service. The problem goes far deeper than the competence and attitudes of the individual police officers at the Nowak scene (which left a lot to be desired to say the least)

People were right to protest Floyd's murder but BLM went too far and governments failed to nip it in the bud. Divisions widened.

Police resources taken away from tackling/foiling terrorist attacks and diverted towards arresting people holding Palestine Action signs.

Politicians throwing police officers under the bus when challenging a Jewish man who is clearly trying to antagonize a pro-Palestine rally in London.

The above examples hide an underlying and very ugly problem that is only becoming worse. The police have ended up serving political masters and not the public as a whole, sacrificing equal treatment and the establishment of facts for towing governmental lines that have utterly failed to stand up to counter-productive woke pressure.

Cases like Henry Nowak are the result. The priorities on the ground are all wrong. Basics are not done and innocent lives are lost.

[inspectorfrost]

24 minutes ago, benjii said:

The killer is in prison, and I think three members of his family have been arrested?

 

The mother has been found guilty of assisting an offender, and the brother/father are also facing mulltiple charges

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

The mother has been found guilty of assisting an offender, and the brother/father are also facing mulltiple charges

Agree with you on your longer post about the politicisation of the police in all directions. Left, right, Zion/Arab - none of it good.

Stephen Lawrence was a watershed, and Henry Nowak should be one as well. 

No excuse for Robinson and Fox though. Arrest them and throw the book at them. 

[The Kraken]

Osvaldorama made it down there in the end, and he took his camera too.

E’s right in the fick of it. And he ain’t fucking sick of it.

 

[badgerx16]

What do they think they will gain from throwing wheelie bins at the Police ?

Is that really the best of the English, what we all need to aspire to ?

Edited 10 hours ago by badgerx16

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

 And it’s not that long since BBC were undercover in Hendon with trainees making Hitler salutes. Let alone the Stephen Lawrence debacle.

We can debate the volume and necessity of the posts (I think it’s slightly too many which could be put into the frontline) but the police racism and corruption of the 1970s, 80s and 90s led to this point. Sadly it’s still going on today https://news.sky.com/story/two-metropolitan-police-officers-guilty-of-gross-misconduct-over-stop-and-search-of-team-gb-athlete-and-her-partner-12992204

 

12 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It is like the police had already decided he was in the wrong and is probably a racist. A bit of a stretch I know but it is fucking awful, and unsure how the coppers can live with themselves.

if this was a brown skinned man in Harry’s position, half of the county would be on fire right now.

”I don’t think you have mate” is such a disgusting thing to hear in this incident 

From the footage and description of events it seems the Police have changed from accusations of being ‘institutionally racist’ , to being ‘institutionally woke’ .

Edited 10 hours ago by Badger

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Lowe lives in Withington, circa 20 minutes from here, Radley College educated. Barton, Tredworth, Westgate or Springbank (worse than anything in Gloucester) it is not. 

Like Farage, has also made a lot of money at the elite banks and hedge funds.

Nothing wrong with that but men of the working class they are certainly not. 

Springbank ? Not sure how far you’re extending that area, but there are worse here surely ? (PE Way, if you’re including that perhaps and Whaddon near the football ground among others). 

Not sure I’d say worse than some in Gloucester though 

Certainly doesn’t detract from your overall point about Lowe though. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, inspectorfrost said:

 

And this is a very good illustration of the problem. The police should be treating everyone equally, regardless of colour or creed.

The Henry Nowak case is the product of years of excessive governmental political interference into the police force, sorry service. The problem goes far deeper than the competence and attitudes of the individual police officers at the Nowak scene (which left a lot to be desired to say the least)

People were right to protest Floyd's murder but BLM went too far and governments failed to nip it in the bud. Divisions widened.

Police resources taken away from tackling/foiling terrorist attacks and diverted towards arresting people holding Palestine Action signs.

Politicians throwing police officers under the bus when challenging a Jewish man who is clearly trying to antagonize a pro-Palestine rally in London.

The above examples hide an underlying and very ugly problem that is only becoming worse. The police have ended up serving political masters and not the public as a whole, sacrificing equal treatment and the establishment of facts for towing governmental lines that have utterly failed to stand up to counter-productive woke pressure.

Cases like Henry Nowak are the result. The priorities on the ground are all wrong. Basics are not done and innocent lives are lost.

Agreed. There should guardrails for the police without political interference or mandated guidelines. 

There should be a framework to follow. Hopefully this sad episode will bring some sense back.

Frustratingly it is being used to push people's agendas. I've watched a few videos and seen some of the reasoning from Robinson. Not sure how you can deport British citizens without revoking thier citizenship. 

The Digwa family have been arrested now as well, so hopefully they'll be charged accordingly. 

Fucking cunt Digwa has really fucked it up for the local community. 

[Mixedkebab]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Get yourself down there fella. Moral and justified protest, you give it some.

I know it’s a binary world, but it’s possible to be annoyed at the system and more the perps at the same time. But that’s a bit too simple I guess. 

Trying a bit too hard here with all the “fella” and “bird” stuff. Public school education is nothing to be ashamed of. 

[The Kraken]

9 minutes ago, Mixedkebab said:

Trying a bit too hard here with all the “fella” and “bird” stuff. Public school education is nothing to be ashamed of. 

I’ve done both pal. So no idea which one I should be shameful of.

PS I didn’t say ‘bird’. Happy for you to clear that up if you want. If you’re referring to “ghetto bird”, that’s a helicopter….

 

Edited 8 hours ago by The Kraken

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Frustratingly it is being used to push people's agendas. I've watched a few videos and seen some of the reasoning from Robinson.

The Digwa family have been arrested now as well, so hopefully they'll be charged accordingly. 

Fucking cunt Digwa has really fucked it up for the local community.

It was sadly ever thus. Division is fantastic for creating new avenues to exploit for political capital. BLM went to far, and i suspect was being used by the left in the USA for their broader political goals (and in particular to weaponize the vote against Trump in the USA), this one now looks like its going to be used by the Right in Britain - or at least has the potential to be that. I saw today that Badenoch came out with a statement that was essentially, "all lives matter", and got lambasted by the reform vote for not going far enough... Farage basically said, "white lives matter".... Has the potential to spiral imho..

Its also just what Southampton didn't need as a city, first Spygate ends up focusing the eyes on the city, and now this will cause community/social tensions and may see the city becoming the epicentre for a new batch of race protests/riots.

I'm not going to say something hasn't gone horrendously wrong with the policing in this case. Blatantly it has, it is shocking and the police should have absolutely nowhere to hide, the 4 officers should all be facing charges in my opinion. They have a duty of care, yet they were 10mins from Southampton general by blue light and they let that poor boy die handcuffed on the street nearly 70min after arresting him. Its beyond a disgrace. Negligence, indifference, and possibly something far more insidious if racial biases did have a part to play. Also, the difference in the way they treated the Digwa and Henry in this case is just appalling on face value.... One was stabbed 4 times and chased through the streets until he collapsed, then he was all too readily dismissed by the police and arrested and handcuffed whilst he lay dying - begging for help, saying he couldn't breath, saying he'd been stabbed, asking for an ambulance... The other wasn't handcuffed, even when being arrested for murder ffs, that juxtaposition is just mental to me... its shocking by the police, the lot of them should be in a courtroom imo, not still on active service building up a cushty pension plan. Their duty is to protect and serve the public. Not get the murderer a coffee after already doing their own part to make sure his victim died on the street in their custody.

As for what happens now, this whole case should be a klaxon to finally tackle knife crime, which is what his family have called for (his dad's speech was incredibly dignified ). This case is particularly appalling, but its ultimately about another young life lost to some knife obsessed psycho. Outside of that, the difference in treatment of the two of them is a stain on Hampshire constabulary, i think it has to be investigated, and it should lead to a change to policing - for improving basic standards and training in the police, and for removing any notion of political interference OR correctness in how different people get treated. The police are there to protect the public, irrespective of their backgrounds.

Thoughts to his family. I can't even imagine going through something like this.

Edited 7 hours ago by Saint86

[benjii]

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

5 hours ago, Saint86 said:

It was sadly ever thus. Division is fantastic for creating new avenues to exploit for political capital. BLM went to far, and i suspect was being used by the left in the USA for their broader political goals (and in particular to weaponize the vote against Trump in the USA), this one now looks like its going to be used by the Right in Britain - or at least has the potential to be that. I saw today that Badenoch came out with a statement that was essentially, "all lives matter", and got lambasted by the reform vote for not going far enough... Farage basically said, "white lives matter".... Has the potential to spiral imho..

Its also just what Southampton didn't need as a city, first Spygate ends up focusing the eyes on the city, and now this will cause community/social tensions and may see the city becoming the epicentre for a new batch of race protests/riots.

I'm not going to say something hasn't gone horrendously wrong with the policing in this case. Blatantly it has, it is shocking and the police should have absolutely nowhere to hide, the 4 officers should all be facing charges in my opinion. They have a duty of care, yet they were 10mins from Southampton general by blue light and they let that poor boy die handcuffed on the street nearly 70min after arresting him. Its beyond a disgrace. Negligence, indifference, and possibly something far more insidious if racial biases did have a part to play. Also, the difference in the way they treated the Digwa and Henry in this case is just appalling on face value.... One was stabbed 4 times and chased through the streets until he collapsed, then he was all too readily dismissed by the police and arrested and handcuffed whilst he lay dying - begging for help, saying he couldn't breath, saying he'd been stabbed, asking for an ambulance... The other wasn't handcuffed, even when being arrested for murder ffs, that juxtaposition is just mental to me... its shocking by the police, the lot of them should be in a courtroom imo, not still on active service building up a cushty pension plan. Their duty is to protect and serve the public. Not get the murderer a coffee after already doing their own part to make sure his victim died on the street in their custody.

As for what happens now, this whole case should be a klaxon to finally tackle knife crime, which is what his family have called for (his dad's speech was incredibly dignified ). This case is particularly appalling, but its ultimately about another young life lost to some knife obsessed psycho. Outside of that, the difference in treatment of the two of them is a stain on Hampshire constabulary, i think it has to be investigated, and it should lead to a change to policing - for improving basic standards and training in the police, and for removing any notion of political interference OR correctness in how different people get treated. The police are there to protect the public, irrespective of their backgrounds.

Thoughts to his family. I can't even imagine going through something like this.

Yes I feel similar, it looks like a serious failure by the police. More broadly, though, these police officers' actions and attitudes don't exist in isolation but they're influenced by wider social and institutional pressures.

One possible factor is a perceived need to demonstrate anti-racist credentials or support for minority groups in ways that can sometimes come into tension with police duties of strict impartiality and responsibility for welfare. 

It doesn't help that Digwa happens to be Sikh and Indian. As that's fuel on the fire. But him and his family are cruel, calculating and should all be put away for their actions. 

[Turkish]

8 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Bet a certain poster is having a right old series of wanks at the presence of Tommy in Southampton. Kleenex supplies are low.

Robinson and Laurence Fox are revolting cunts though tbf, especially after Mr Nowak asked for his son’s memory not be to used to stir up further hatred and violence. Says everything that a minute’s silence couldn’t even be observed before trouble erupted.

Hants Police have shat the bed, and seriously fucked up. But Robinson and Fox don’t give a shit about the murdered young man. It’s all about their sick agenda. 

Nah he’s telling everyone that the protests are largely peaceful and we should turn a blind eye even if there was any violence because it’s all for a good cause, just like the BLM stuff

[whelk]

10 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

benefits bill just exceeded the amount the government earns in taxes

It absolutely hasn’t however much someone has told you

[whelk]

10 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Scenes at Southampton Cop Shop

Bless, Batman has a lot of take the knee photos 

[whelk]

9 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

They are, you just don’t understand how the economy and financial system work  

Mate, it is so apparent you don’t, however much you say debasing our currency 

[Osvaldorama]

 

2 hours ago, benjii said:

Out of interest, were you ridiculing the BLM protests? 

[Farmer Saint]

22 minutes ago, whelk said:

Bless, Batman has a lot of take the knee photos 

It's what he used to do to his superiors when cooking beans on his sub.

[tdmickey3]

11 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

The question you should be asking is;

why do people feel strongly enough to do that? 
 

It’s because the working class is being ignored because Starmer prefers to sucker up to the woke globalist corporations 

🤡

[tdmickey3]

10 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Surely even naive Reform/Restore voters can see they are being taken as fools ?

Seems not

[egg]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

Seems not

They absolutely aren't. The lurch to reform, and now the other lot, isn't stopping. People seem to have an "anything else must be better" mindset which stops them playing the tape forwards and considering what the anything else could actually look like. That said, and people can say what they like, the pull to those parties is centred around one primary issue, and Digwa type incidents will only strengthen the pull...the mindset is "if our home grown brown people can do that, think what the boat people can do" etc. 

[badgerx16]

11 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Our benefits bill just exceeded the amount the government earns in taxes. 
 

Benefits total is about £330Bn, over half of which is pensions. Total tax take is over £1.14Tn.

[benjii]

28 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

Out of interest, were you ridiculing the BLM protests? 

I think so. Hemp-shoed weirdos.