The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Where have I supported them? Stupid, and a liar. Great combo.

So what’s your opinion? As I’m stupid and you’re really clever you tell me how the government should have run the previous and upcoming budget from a tax and spending cut perspective? 

[egg]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You just don’t like my responses and you still haven’t responded to my question. This is circular…

 

you: provide me an awnser

me: here’s the response

you: I don’t agree

me: ok answer my question

you: ignore

You all want to ask questions but never answer them yourselves

It's you that is calling for cuts. It's you that can't say what you want to see cut. It's not for me to answer for you, it doesn't work like that. Although you haven't actually asked me anything, but I'm out of here so don't bother asking me anything now. 

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So what’s your opinion? As I’m stupid and you’re really clever you tell me how the government should have run the previous and upcoming budget from a tax and spending cut perspective? 

Just show me where I was supporting them first or are you lying, again?

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[Sir Ralph]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Just show me where I was supporting them first or are you lying, again.

In these latest posts I don’t think you said you explicitly supported them. Whilst not explicit, your suggestion is that the governments approach to not reducing spending is justifiable. Your previous posts said you supported their pro tax position actually, maybe you don’t remember that. Please respond to my question then. Don’t dodge it again

Edited 22 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

10 hours ago, egg said:

It's you that is calling for cuts. It's you that can't say what you want to see cut. It's not for me to answer for you, it doesn't work like that. Although you haven't actually asked me anything, but I'm out of here so don't bother asking me anything now. 

I just asked your mate anyway. Feel free or dodge it. Again easy to ask but to concede a position is always more difficult. So far I’ve replied to your questions, you haven’t liked my replies and then neither of you have responded to my questions just the “I’m not the government”. Don’t hide behind that give an opinion

All you are doing is proving my point that there is no plan to reduce spending only an aspiration to increase taxes which was the point I made originally so thanks

Edited 12 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I don’t think you said you supported them. Whilst not explicit, your suggestion is that the governments approach to not reducing spending is justifiable. Please respond to my question then. Don’t dodge it again

You want my genuine thoughts? Get the benefits bill through, cancel the triple lock, put the higher rate of tax up to 47%, 2% wealth tax over £10m (if workable), re-establish the NI cuts, postpone electric car mandate for a further 10 years, create a national care service for nursing homes to clear NHS beds, 5 years systems and process improvement analysis of the NHS, look at what we can do to get back into the single market.

Country before party.

By the way, respond if you want, but I couldn't give two shiny fucks on your opinion of the above as you've proven yourself too far out of your depth. You're going back on ignore because again you've lied to try to prove a point.

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[Sir Ralph]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

You want my genuine thoughts? Get the benefits bill through, cancel the triple lock, put the higher rate of tax up to 47%, 2% wealth tax over £10m (if workable), re-establish the NI cuts, postpone electric car mandate for a further 10 years, create a national care service for nursing homes to clear NHS beds, 5 years systems and process improvement analysis of the NHS, look at what we can do to get back into the single market.

Country before party.

I agree with some of this but disagree with other parts such as higher rate of tax, wealth tax and the single market would be subject to what deal we could strike (but agree in principle). I think there are government savings before those things I’ve mentioned above (or in addition) that should be considered.
 

Notice I haven’t asked you full blown details or dossier on any of this just understood the principle of it because, like me, you don’t have full access to government figures in the first instance. You can if you want to but I’m respectfully pointing out that your stance is just as qualified as mine.

The question posed to me was about cuts which is what I responded to.
 

You’re overall view more balanced than I thought you were.

Edited 18 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

You want my genuine thoughts? Get the benefits bill through, cancel the triple lock, put the higher rate of tax up to 47%, 2% wealth tax over £10m (if workable), re-establish the NI cuts, postpone electric car mandate for a further 10 years, create a national care service for nursing homes to clear NHS beds, 5 years systems and process improvement analysis of the NHS, look at what we can do to get back into the single market.

Country before party.

By the way, respond if you want, but I couldn't give two shiny fucks on your opinion of the above as you've proven yourself too far out of your depth. You're going back on ignore because again you've lied to try to prove a point.

Oh dear you then added the last para. after I replied. For a moment (the only moment so far in any of our interactions) I respected your balance. I didn’t ask for dossier on the points I disagreed with which was frankly ludicrous (unlike you) but I should have done in hindsight. My responses to a specific question are much more specific than your replies to  more general questions. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[trousers]

If people keep respecting others' opinions as much as this then this thread could well reach 100 pages before Christmas...

[Sir Ralph]

7 hours ago, trousers said:

If people keep respecting others' opinions as much as this then this thread could well reach 100 pages before Christmas...

😂

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[Sir Ralph]

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[rallyboy]

Starmer has made mistakes and failed to address some key issues, he hasn't made the sweeping changes the country needed and has done some things that have managed to annoy everyone....

But, and I'm reluctant to chuck in positivity because no forum needs that especially this one - around my way there have been noticeable improvements in policing, I have managed to get a GP appointment after trying and giving up over seven years, and now we hear plans to include some sensible life skills as topics in schools.

It might be modest change and there's much to do in other areas so don't tell anyone, but it feels a little bit like progress...

[sadoldgit]

There have been a number of positives since Labour were elected, not enough mind you, but some all the same. Labour’s problem is that they have been drowned out by the right wing media who jump on every misstep, perceived or otherwise, and they also haven’t been very good so far at selling their good news.

As with Brexit, Farage is grabbing the headlines and setting the agenda. The whole small boats/immigration debacle, whilst an issue, isn’t one of the biggest issues that this country faces. Starmer and his cabinet have been too cautious and too wary of Farage so far. The promises to build 1.5 million homes and not to raise taxes were also mistakes and never likely to be kept. 
Taxes will need to be raised to pay for the damage caused by Brexit. It is a shame that they have only just realised that they need to be talking about that.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

The promises to build 1.5 million homes and not to raise taxes were also mistakes and never likely to be kept. 

In other words, lies.

New broom. 😂😂

[AlexLaw76]

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

There have been a number of positives since Labour were elected, not enough mind you, but some all the same. Labour’s problem is that they have been drowned out by the right wing media who jump on every misstep, perceived or otherwise, and they also haven’t been very good so far at selling their good news.

As with Brexit, Farage is grabbing the headlines and setting the agenda. The whole small boats/immigration debacle, whilst an issue, isn’t one of the biggest issues that this country faces. Starmer and his cabinet have been too cautious and too wary of Farage so far. The promises to build 1.5 million homes and not to raise taxes were also mistakes and never likely to be kept. 
Taxes will need to be raised to pay for the damage caused by Brexit. It is a shame that they have only just realised that they need to be talking about that.

This government are habitual liars.

They just cannot help it. I bet if they were Tory's with the exact same record, your tone would be unrecognisable in comparison.

Edited 7 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[tdmickey3]

44 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

This government are habitual liars.

They just cannot help it. I bet if they were Tory's with the exact same record, your tone would be unrecognisable in comparison.

In fairness so were the Tories

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

In fairness so were the Tories

Yep, and partly why they will be out of overall control for a generation. This lot were supposed to be so much better, government in waiting, the adults in the room and all that.

I mean, the PM and the Chancellor were on record less than a month ago claiming there would be no more tax rises. 

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[egg]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

In fairness so were the Tories

I wouldn't necessarily tar them with the same brush. There's a difference between pledges that can't be honoured and blatant dishonesty. 

[iansums]

9 hours ago, sadoldgit said:
Taxes will need to be raised to pay for the damage caused by Brexit. It is a shame that they have only just realised that they need to be talking about that.

No, Covid and more specifically furlough and then the cost of living crisis caused by Covid and then the Ukraine war have caused far more economic damage than Brexit IMO. Here’s some ideas:

Stop free prescriptions at the age of 60 and bring it in line with retirement age.

Charge at least £10 for a GP appointment.

Get rid of all DEI positions in the public sector.

Cut back where possible all non essential management roles in the NHS. Streeting is already doing this so fair play to him.

I’d like to see a complete overhaul and simplification of the tax system but I very much doubt it will happen in my lifetime 

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, egg said:

There's a difference between pledges that can't be honoured and blatant dishonesty. 

It was blatantly dishonest to claim they wouldn’t raise taxes, apart from the ones mapped out in the manifesto . Sunak banged on about it over and over, and they denied it over and over. They also lied when they said they wouldn’t be back for more, only 1 year go. Blatant dishonesty,  and you’re embarrassing yourself by trying to claim it’s  “pledges that can’t be honoured”. 

[whelk]

31 minutes ago, iansums said:

Get rid of all DEI positions in the public sector

With that saving we could surely knock 5p off income tax and build some extra hospitals 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

No, Covid and more specifically furlough and then the cost of living crisis caused by Covid and then the Ukraine war have caused far more economic damage than Brexit IMO. Here’s some ideas:

Stop free prescriptions at the age of 60 and bring it in line with retirement age.

Charge at least £10 for a GP appointment.

Get rid of all DEI positions in the public sector.

Cut back where possible all non essential management roles in the NHS. Streeting is already doing this so fair play to him.

I’d like to see a complete overhaul and simplification of the tax system but I very much doubt it will happen in my lifetime 

Charge £10 for a missed appointment maybe, but you can't charge for doctors appointments - people will die unnecessarily.